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#21 TheRealZap

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:15 PM

yes, 3 negative posts personally attacking me resulted in me voting them negative...

 

Then you go online and give me 3 negitive votes for my opinion????? NOBODY DOES THAT....Now we know you..


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:17 PM

Then you go online and give me 3 negitive votes for my opinion????? NOBODY DOES THAT....Now we know you..


Oh well, he admits he gave you the negatives... the negative/positive vote thing is there for a reason, you have the right to use it as much as anyone... I empathize with the problems you are having with your guitar but really you should try to get along here or move on. You might notice Zap has more than 6000 POSITIVE votes here, many from people he has helped over the years. He really is a L6 EXPERT, and he really does know things the rest of us don't, and nearly all of what he posts here is good info or helpful in some way. He is also entitled to his opinion (IMO :lol: ) as are you, but... maybe try to keep it civil...


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#23 TheRealZap

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:18 PM

thanks for that...

anyone is also welcome to PM me here if they have an issue with my posts.

 

Chuckle, just so you know the Expert tag is assgined by Line 6. It is given to a select number of users/customers who have spent a lot of time on these forums helping people out and are deeply knowledgeable about the products. They often get asked to be Beta testers and have inside access to Line 6 information and employees, hence the NDAs. But, at the end of the day, they are mostly users like the rest of us. They are providing whatever help they do for free. They are also human. They have good and bad days like the rest of us.

 

Was Zap's initial response a touch aggressive? In my opinion, probably. But the follow on responses from others have been much more so, probably due to the "expert tag" curse. The fact is, the experts do have better access to information than the average user, and they don't have to pass any of that information on to us. I'm glad that we have at least some information coming to us from them so that we get an idea of where Line 6 is heading. Now, you might not like the answer, but it's better to at least know that the models are likely to stay as they are now for the foreseeable future (barring obvious bugfixes of course)

 

So the way I see it, we can harangue them in these forums, at which point they'll respond like a human and stop passing on information to us. If we see something aggressive, we can ask them politely to back off, or we can retaliate and ramp up the war of words.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 08:39 PM

See ya later johnnyayy, Ill try to behave if I come back on the forum.

 

Okay, best wishes in whatever you choose to do.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:31 PM


Don't be so hard on old Zap.  I'll admit the

 

"wtf were you thinking turning up at a gig with an untested update? of course you'd have to tweak etc... you brought that one on yourself though."

 

was a bit insulting but Zap's generally a good guy and may have just gotten a little overzealous. In regard to his comments on what Line 6 will do, I haven't seen anything he said that wasn't true. I've been a Line 6 boy for awhile too so his comments are just based on what they've done in the past. One big point is they aren't going to radically change the models anytime soon. They'll fix the bugs (the spank 2-4 position problem for example and has been acknowledged)but, based on the past, if you were able to properly download the update (I know there have been a few issues, most not the fault of the JTV owner) these are the models we're stuck with for awhile.  So if you don't like them better than 1.9 then, you'll have to go back. Personally, overall, I am pleased.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:08 AM

I don't want to add fuel to the (dwindling) fire but.....

 

Given that the title of this thread refers to 'update disappointments' I consider the response to my comments from the 'experts' to be inappropriate and patronising to say the least when I was merely pointing out unexpected issues with the update I applied.

 

I've been playing guitar in bands for 36 years so I am not going to be lectured on how I should prepare for gigs. You may be experts in your field but so am I in mine.

 

I am a Line 6 customer and expect a more measured response from their representatives (employed or not these guys carry the Line6 logo below their avatar) and the evident opinion that if something is not right it must be the customer's fault is not acceptable.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:18 AM

feel free not to like my opinion, or perhaps the way i've expressed it... Line6 does not control my opinion, and i do try to be mindful of how it's expressed.

 

despite my perhaps poor expression of that opinion...

i stand by the sentiment that you made no preparation for the change in guitar tone, that you initiated by updating...

yet somehow still see fit to blame the instrument or the update....

 

not to bring religion into it at all... but to quote a famous guitar player: "even god needs to soundcheck"

 

perhaps the update is not for you... that's a subjective question that only you can answer...

but it's also equally as possible that perhaps with a little time and care, you could dial in a tone that works for you with the update.

 

my opinion is my own... and if you think that the customer is never wrong, and can never be at fault... then well i'm going to accept that as your opinion even though i disagree.


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#28 Bobbyl

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:49 AM

For the record, this is the first variax update since I bought a 500 that drastically changed the tone of the models I use in a way that I would have a problem doing a gig without preparation.

i stand by the sentiment that you made no preparation for the change in guitar tone, that you initiated by updating...

yet somehow still see fit to blame the instrument or the update....


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#29 TheRealZap

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:55 AM

yeah it's certainly the biggest most drastic upgrade to the variax ever...

which is my point....

but i do see your point as well, perhaps you didn't expect the upgrade to be so different?

all i'm saying is that i would have tried it without an audience first...

i don't really understand why that opinion is so offensive to anyone... or why anyone wouldn't think to do so.

again.. not out to offend... but alsithi put himself in that position.

 

For the record, this is the first variax update since I bought a 500 that drastically changed the tone of the models I use in a way that I would have a problem doing a gig without preparation.


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#30 alsithi

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:33 AM

Well this is the 6th flash update so far isn't it? I don't recall how many of them I had already installed but for sure this was the first one that drastically altered the tone- at least in my experience anyway.

 

Maybe you misunderstand my comment about turning up to the next gig- obviously I played the guitar when I updated it, it was in my hand at the time, hooked up through my HD500, but not at stage volume. I can understand if you believed I flashed the memory without checking it had worked, but that is not what I said.

 

Because of the usb issue I didn't have time to find the interface so I could gen up on the new workbench and restore my custom settings ( for ease of use I have the neck and bridge LP, Strat 4th position, electric 12 string and Peter Green's LP in a single bank ) but my Pod is programmed to switch guitars according to the patch I select. (the custom bank is just to give easy access to alternatives regardless of the patch I'm using eg Pink Floyd stuff where I've programmed a strat but sometimes switch to a LP during solos for that bit of extra sustain)

 

Make no mistake, forwards is the only direction I am interested in...otherwise I may as well go back to my Ibanez which is lighter and much easier to play but doesn't have the versatility obviously...so 2.0 is staying- at least until 2.x comes out...lol


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:50 AM

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Because of the usb issue I didn't have time to find the interface so I could gen up on the new workbench and restore my custom settings ( for ease of use I have the neck and bridge LP, Strat 4th position, electric 12 string and Peter Green's LP in a single bank ) ..

Note that Variax models created in pre-HD firmware/Workbench are not compatible with the new HD firmware/Workbench. Your previous custom models will need to be recreated in Workbench HD.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:52 AM

Note that Variax models created in pre-HD firmware/Workbench are not compatible with the new HD firmware/Workbench. Your previous custom models will need to be recreated in Workbench HD.

Yes I read that. The Peter Green one is the only custom guitar, the rest are standard models.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:03 AM

Sorry to have misunderstood you, it sounded like you were surprised at the gig.

good luck, and keep rocking.

 

Well this is the 6th flash update so far isn't it? I don't recall how many of them I had already installed but for sure this was the first one that drastically altered the tone- at least in my experience anyway.

 

Maybe you misunderstand my comment about turning up to the next gig- obviously I played the guitar when I updated it, it was in my hand at the time, hooked up through my HD500, but not at stage volume. I can understand if you believed I flashed the memory without checking it had worked, but that is not what I said.

 

Because of the usb issue I didn't have time to find the interface so I could gen up on the new workbench and restore my custom settings ( for ease of use I have the neck and bridge LP, Strat 4th position, electric 12 string and Peter Green's LP in a single bank ) but my Pod is programmed to switch guitars according to the patch I select. (the custom bank is just to give easy access to alternatives regardless of the patch I'm using eg Pink Floyd stuff where I've programmed a strat but sometimes switch to a LP during solos for that bit of extra sustain)

 

Make no mistake, forwards is the only direction I am interested in...otherwise I may as well go back to my Ibanez which is lighter and much easier to play but doesn't have the versatility obviously...so 2.0 is staying- at least until 2.x comes out...lol


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:56 AM

How did you create his guitar/wiring in workbench?

 

Yes I read that. The Peter Green one is the only custom guitar, the rest are standard models.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:44 PM

How did you create his guitar/wiring in workbench?

 

Hopefully alsithi will answer, but there's an interesting article here on Peter Green's tone:

 

http://www.premiergu...ter_Greens_Tone

 

The net result of which is to get the tone I think you're talking about, as a starting point use a Les Paul with Neck and Bridge in parallel, but out-of-phase. In Workbench, this equates to Neck and Bridge on with polarity reversed.


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#36 alsithi

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

I can't take any credit for the patch- 'Peter Green Burst' - this was created by a guy called Scott Jennings and I found it somewhere on the internet.

 

As suggested it is 'based on a '59 les paul with both pickups active @ 100%, out of phase'

 

It does work very well! I actually use it for ZZ Top stuff, and occasionally in other songs to spice up a solo section when the mood takes me....


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:59 AM

I purchased a James Tyler Variax recently after trying it out in the shop and being impressed, particularly with the Strat sounds. Got home and upgraded everything to HD version 2. Great acoustic sounds, good 12 string and dobo. Then I tried the strat  out,  2 and 4 position. Oh dear, not only a volume drop but thin sounds. in my humble opinion totally dead. I tried all the suggested changes on this forum, compressor, downloading patches, blending in the magnetic pickups,  still no joy. I then began to realise that almost all the electric sounds were to my ears very weak. There was definitely a volume drop from the magnetic pickups on most electric sounds as well . I began to think I would keep my 59 JTV for magnetic pickups and acoustic sounds, after all a great combination. One more thing to try, roll it back and see if it is just my imagination. Well not to my ears it is not. Back came all those good electric sounds and no volume drop, or thin sound. The acoustic sounds are not as good, but I now have the whole guitar working  almost the way I want. It is a shame I cannot have 1.9 for electric and 200 for acoustic.

 

I fully appreciate that 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder', so I am not writing this as a complaint, more an observation


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 03:41 PM

When I buy another 69 for backup I'm gonna roll back to 1.9 unless they come up with a model pack type thing where they re-model the same strat and 335 that they used for 1.9. I can't believe they used the same guitars to model for HD. Completely different characteristics.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:01 AM

 

When I buy another 69 for backup I'm gonna roll back to 1.9 unless they come up with a model pack type thing where they re-model the same strat and 335 that they used for 1.9. I can't believe they used the same guitars to model for HD. Completely different characteristics.

This is the first post I have seen talking about the 335 (semi) mod. Especially in position one the v2 update is unrecognisable as the same guitar. Has anyone else noticed the same problem? Overall I have found the update poor so will be rolling it back.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:38 AM

it's not the same guitar.... at all... that position has a hollowbody P90 model rather than buckers... or vice versa... forget... but either way very different.

 

This is the first post I have seen talking about the 335 (semi) mod. Especially in position one the v2 update is unrecognisable as the same guitar. Has anyone else noticed the same problem? Overall I have found the update poor so will be rolling it back.


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