treyrhodes27 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Title says it all... I played live with my Firehawk 1500. Yet I need the amp to be even louder. We are a very loud band. I had some success with adding a pedal or an effect with gain adjustment in the parameters but, still, it's not quite enough to keep up with a sound-reinforced drummer and a bandmate's Fender Twin Reverb. I need some suggestions for getting more out of the amp, volume-wise. Part of my chain includes an outboard Fender Reverb unit that does cut my signal somewhat, due to its design. For the sound I want, I have it in the effects loop and have positioned it pre-amplifier. Any hints would be appreciated. Part of my ignorance results from the fact that the Firehawk 1500 has about 15 possible ways to control volume, it seems, and the obvious methods are scantly documented (or totally undocumented) in the Pilot's Guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierM Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I don't think it's about volume, but more about room. A double speaker cab tends to fill the room more than a single speaker, even if that single speaker is producing more sound pressure. Of course talking about main FH1500 speaker. This should partially explain why you had the Twin filling the scene. Then I've to say that that Fender is a beast on filling the room, one of the fatter output I have ever heard. Tricky to give you specific suggestions, maybe you should post the entire rig you are using and the way you are routing your signal. Also, isn't clear how did you manage the stage mix and if the problem was more related to stage levels or FOH levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treyrhodes27 Posted August 8, 2016 Author Share Posted August 8, 2016 It is about volume. And that is what sound pressure is. The twin has two speakers, truly, while my other amp has one (Fender Twin Reverb Custom 15") Summing the individual pressures created by the speakers yields the total perceived loudness and, of course, total speaker surface area contributes to the eventual pressure created. There are many factors that contribute to an amp's perceived loudness, to be sure; speaker sensitivities, running the power section while clipping in a tube rig (versus avoiding clipping in a SS amp), input gain, preamp gain(s.) I supposed I should rephrase the original problem. When I play my guitar using an "empty" patch, I can achieve a volume that is loud, but not acceptably so for live performance in the situation I mentioned. When I call up an amp model, I can increase the gain of various parts of the tone stack to increase loudness. When I add, say "EQ+Gain" pedal, I can (not surprisingly) increase gain and, therefore, loudness. When I add gain to various EQ channels, I further increase loudness. Etc., etc.I am looking for a hint or two to get from the empty patch volume to something approaching a Twin. My guitar is one of a few Jazzmasters. My only outboard effect is the Fender 6G15 Reverb tank, wired into the FX loop (before the amp sim in the signal chain.) My models of choice involve only clean amp sounds (Fender Blackface models, etc.) My gut tells me that if I was using a high-gain model like a Soldano or something, then I would have far less trouble getting a prodigious stage volume. However, I have no use for those grainy, distorted models.My confusion is compounded by the myriad ways that you can tweak the volume with this amp. When I am dialing in a sound I have seen lots of possibilities: amp master volume, amp drive, tone stack volume (via gain bass/mid/treble gain), overall amp volume (via gain), pedal volume (via gain), FX loop volume (via send/return gain), compressor volume (via gain), EQ volume (via the various gains), and so on... Maybe I should peg a lot of these and see what happens?In my chain, compressor, EQ, and FX loop are post-amp so I feel I could safely increase gains here and not get any modeled preamp distortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiecat Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Might be a silly question and im guessing you've already thought of this, but do you have the Guitar Volume on the settings page of the app turned all the way up? This can also be adjusted by pressing the volume control once so the leds turn white.. then turn the volume up full... this is used to balance the guitar sound with a bluetooth or line in backing track, but if you're not using a backing track like then you might as well have it up full to get max volume (the backing track level is fixed as far as i can tell) With a blank patch loaded there really shouldnt be any other volume controls loaded as part of other modules etc, but with amp/effects loaded make sure their volume controls as up full too (you might need to adjust this on some patches to balance levels etc). Your'e right about some of the high gain amps that they probably do add more volume to the overall output, but if you're only using clean sounds this is not really going to help.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndasfarn12 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 There is a easy way to boost your guitar singal going into the main amp. All you need to do is use 2 patch leads from the 'Effects out' into 'Effects in' and you can also punch in the 'line' or 'Effects' button for more gain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Might be a silly question and im guessing you've already thought of this, but do you have the Guitar Volume on the settings page of the app turned all the way up? Thats what I was thinking as well. Mine was quiet until I did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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