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Poll: HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO YOU TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE 1.9 TONES IN THE 2.0 FIRMWARE? (50 member(s) have cast votes)

HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO YOU TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE OLDER LO-RES NON-HD MODELS IN THE NEW 2.0 FIRMWARE?

  1. VERY IMPORTANT, without this feature my JTV is pretty much a worthless pile of "lollipop"! (14 votes [28.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.00%

  2. KIND OF IMPORTANT, meh, I might use some of the older models some times if they were there. Then again, I might not. (12 votes [24.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.00%

  3. NOT AT ALL IMPORTANT, the 2.0 models sound great and I have no need or desire for the current or future versions of the firmware to include anything from the older modeling. (24 votes [48.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.00%

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#1 johnnyayyy

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 11:29 AM

God, I know, ANOTHER POLL... sorry but I simply MUST know!


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#2 mrmykl

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 01:31 PM

Acoustics...


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#3 clay-man

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:41 PM

Erm, we already have a topic regarding this. Like I said, I get the love for some of the old models, but I just think it's awfully counter productive to keep the old models.

 

Do you know what will happen if we did that? People would whine about the HD models getting special features that the old models wouldn't get in the future, and it's not going to be Line 6's fault, because they're old outdated models that they can't work with anymore to provide the same features the HD models can possibly provide in the future.

 

Once again, I highly suggest that if a compromise was made, that Line6 model the same guitars as the old firmware, so we can get pristine HD versions of the tones that we've grown to love. 

 

If they did the modeling right on their end, then it's either time to literally stick to 1.9, or get over it and go to 2.0, since that's what the real guitars are supposed to sound like. If they modeled guitars incorrectly or models poor copies of vintage guitars, then it's a good argument, but they should update it to HD, not rollback to 1.9. 

It's absolutely counter productive.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:37 AM

they modeled guitars incorrectly or models poor copies of vintage guitars, then it's a good argument, but they should update it to HD, not rollback to 1.9. 

It's absolutely counter productive.

I don't think they modeled poor copies of the strat and 335 for HD. I just think they modeled unusually dark mid-thick instruments for 1.9 which match my taste for tones perfectly which is why I wish they'd do model packs for HD that make these older models available.


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#5 hurghanico

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 08:13 AM

I don't think they modeled poor copies of the strat and 335 for HD. I just think they modeled unusually dark mid-thick instruments for 1.9 which match my taste for tones perfectly which is why I wish they'd do model packs for HD that make these older models available.

 

..or maybe for some reason they released beforehand a firmware that it was not yet mature and complete ..
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IMO the result is rather disappointing, being the fw 1.9 still far superior sonically to 2.0..


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 08:21 AM

BWAHAHAHA....

or maybe you just happen to have a different opinion....

truth. i speak it.

 

..or maybe for some reason they released beforehand a firmware that it was not yet mature and complete ..
and IMO the result is rather disappointing, being the fw 1.9 still far superior sonically to 2.0..


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 08:28 AM

..or maybe for some reason they released beforehand a firmware that it was not yet mature and complete ..
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IMO the result is rather disappointing, being the fw 1.9 still far superior sonically to 2.0..

 

 

You don't even have a JTV... You're making this statement based on YouTube videos... Come on. :huh:


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:24 AM

Phil_m, for a person who doesn't have a jtv and is not sure if he want to buy a new one, the best way is to check to a store. If this is no possible, same in greece, therefore the best way to check is via youtube.And the videos that we upload (speak for the line6ers) are really valid...

 

I agree with hurghanico that ver. 1.9 is superior sonically, more useable guitars in there for me, but technology goes forward, I follow...

 

Nothing personal with you Phil_m


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#9 TheRealZap

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:32 AM

you can never get the feel of an amp or guitar or anything really on a video...

if you could... porn would be MUCH more popular.

 

Phil_m, for a person who doesn't have a jtv and is not sure if he want to buy a new one, the best way is to check to a store. If this is no possible, same in greece, therefore the best way to check is via youtube.And the videos that we upload (speak for the line6ers) are really valid...

 

I agree with hurghanico that ver. 1.9 is superior sonically, more useable guitars in there for me, but technology goes forward, I follow...

 

Nothing personal with you Phil_m


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#10 hurghanico

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:37 AM

You don't even have a JTV... You're making this statement based on YouTube videos... Come on. :huh:

 

YouTube videos were one of the reasons that made me buy a 700 in the past..

of course before to buy one I tried it firsthand..

but first of all the demos were the stimulus that inspired me to try one..


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:03 AM

I would like to vote, but no good choice...

 

I would love being able to mix between the older models and the HD...but to say the guitar is useless without both?


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 11:28 AM

I would like to vote, but no good choice...

 

I would love being able to mix between the older models and the HD...but to say the guitar is useless without both?

 

As would I. There are things I like about the new firmware, but in several models I prefer the 1.9 variants.

 

http://line6.ideasca...nc/524926-23508

 

Theres alot of admiration of the Emperor's new clothes here.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 12:41 PM

Theres alot of admiration of the Emperor's new clothes here.


Ahh, so you're the arbiter of absolute good tone. I could just as easily say that people are mostly conservative and hate change, preferring what they know even if it isn't as good. But I wouldn't say that as it's just people with differing opinions.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:01 PM

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Theres alot of admiration of the Emperor's new clothes here.

I happen to prefer the new models/tones. That means that we have a difference of opinion, and it doesn't make either of us right or wrong. I respect your opinion; please don't belittle mine.


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:45 PM

As would I. There are things I like about the new firmware, but in several models I prefer the 1.9 variants.

 

http://line6.ideasca...nc/524926-23508

 

Theres alot of admiration of the Emperor's new clothes here.

 

Totally incorrect and somewhat arrogant analogy.

 

I happen to prefer the new models/tones. That means that we have a difference of opinion, and it doesn't make either of us right or wrong. I respect your opinion; please don't belittle mine.

 

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:09 PM

So, at a gig, while playing a Variax with v2.0 firmware, how many members of the audience are going to walk out and demand a refund because they prefer the sounds of the v1.9 firmware?

 

Just asking.  :P

 

Cheers,

 

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#17 hurghanico

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:27 PM

So, at a gig, while playing a Variax with v2.0 firmware, how many members of the audience are going to walk out and demand a refund because they prefer the sounds of the v1.9 firmware?

 

Moral of the story:
do not worry, no one will notice
...... :huh: :rolleyes: :ph34r: :P
 


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:32 PM

So, at a gig, while playing a Variax with v2.0 firmware, how many members of the audience are going to walk out and demand a refund because they prefer the sounds of the v1.9 firmware?

 

Just asking.  :P

 

Cheers,

 

Crusty

 

LOOOL I laughed at this more than I should have. "WOW you hear that guy using those new awful 2.0 HD Variax sounds? Worst show ever."


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Posted 08 September 2013 - 05:35 PM

Things like this should never be considered in a vacuum. Engineering resources are never limited and we can't possibly even conjecture on how much might be involved. Sure, it might be a simple engineering/product development change, but it could feasibly add substantial support headaches. Calls equals tech support headcount and tech support headcount equals added cost. This must be paid for somehow, you can't just make that money appear out of thin air! Since they've already sold the product, the only way to cover this expense would be to either charge for the feature as a software upgrade, or burden future customers by increasing the cost (albeit slightly) of all Variax models. (Thankfully Line 6 isn't publicly traded as you wouldn't be able to do this without invoking the holy names of Sarbanes and Oxley...) Both of these would solve the basic problem, but I would have to ask "why." Which leads me to the following...

Although I appreciate the intent of the poll, as someone who does this for a living I would point out that you can't just "rate," you also have to "rank." Because we need to know something this poll doesn't tell us. We don't need to know WHETHER people want this feature (as a product guy, I almost always intuitively know what features people want and which they don't.) What I don't know, and what this poll doesn't tell me is HOW MUCH do they want it? Which is to say, the respondent must be forced to decide which thing s/he wants more between multiple scenarios. If I were setting up this question, I would ask the user something along the lines of the original question, and then ask other questions to those that rated their answer "very" or "somewhat" to the effect of:

"In this next series of questions, we are going to ask you to rank the following features that might be available in the future"

Following, would be a list of choices that would include having access to non-HD models, but would also include other features that were being considered. My hunch from reading this board would be that there are at least a dozen features that would rank ahead of non-HD model access.

Just my $0.02.
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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:04 PM

Following, would be a list of choices that would include having access to non-HD models, but would also include other features that were being considered. My hunch from reading this board would be that there are at least a dozen features that would rank ahead of non-HD model access.

Just my $0.02.

 

This information is effectively available to us at ideascale, where:

 

Nylon String:                         115 Votes

New Models:                           43 Votes

Old Acoustic Models on JTV:    8 Votes


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