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#1 vjclaus

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:53 AM

Somebody at youtube started a real great comparison between v1.9 vs 2.0

 

for me the 1,9 works better

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=stlVpOJLzPk


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#2 hurghanico

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:22 AM

Somebody at youtube started a real great comparison between v1.9 vs 2.0

 

for me the 1,9 works better

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=stlVpOJLzPk

 

thanks for the above link

IMO the  2.0 Les Paul is a good one

the Strat 1.9 is better than 2.0

and the 2.0  335 and 175 seem almost toys in comparison with those of the 1.9


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:01 PM

I had sucess to solve one problem, put the marsonite plank body in all spank positions and sounded very good, in my opinion better than the spank of 1.9. but I do not have any idea to improve the semi, anyone?


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:04 PM

I just can not understand who insists that spank the 2.0 is better than 1.9, this video makes it very clear


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#5 TheRealZap

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:07 PM

I don't need a video to tell me that 2.0 is better than 1.9... my ears do that...

it's subjective is the point... i think you're wrong... you think i'm wrong... and in the end we're both right... because it's just an opinion.

 

I just can not understand who insists that spank the 2.0 is better than 1.9, this video makes it very clear


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#6 Junis

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:17 PM

but zap, watching this video, you really think the spank the 1.9 is better? I'm saying based on this video

I don't need a video to tell me that 2.0 is better than 1.9... my ears do that...

it's subjective is the point... i think you're wrong... you think i'm wrong... and in the end we're both right... because it's just an opinion.


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#7 phil_m

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:31 PM

In that video, the difference between 1.9 and 2.0 isn't that dramatic to me, but still, I think in general the HD just feel more realistic while playing. The sound is only one side of the playing experience. The way the guitar reacts to my playing is just as important.
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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:55 PM

but zap, watching this video, you really think the spank the 1.9 is better? I'm saying based on this video


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:04 PM

just for the sake of speaking about it intelligently... i watched the video... and yes 2.0 still wins by a mile...

the muddy mids in 1.9 never really bothered me... but side by side... 2.0 pulled out the earplugs for me and sounds much cleaner and defined.

again just my opinion... yours is worth as much... 

but zap, watching this video, you really think the spank the 1.9 is better? I'm saying based on this video


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#10 guilhordas

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 03:10 PM

Zap,just now I see, very nice your semi upgrade, great, I got the 5 positions , so that now the semi were much higher than the other models, this normal? you set the other to balance with the semi?


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 03:58 PM

I used the LP humbuckers for the 335, and the special p90s for the casino, which are a little hotter themselves, but then i changed some pot/cap values to smooth it off.

I tend to make them run a little higher volume wise, because i tend to use the volume control to roll those down a little as well.. just gives it a little more dynamic throw on the volume control. I didn't balance them with any of the other models... just made the semi models work in and of themselves :)

thanks for checking them out.

you can of course adjust the preset volume easy enough without disturbing the core tone.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 04:53 PM

Well the video just proved to me what my own observations were when I upgraded.

1: Of the electrics, except the LP and the new Casino which I really like a lot, they were all insipid sounding and

2: Low on volume. Using the presets in the HD500 that I was using for 1.9 Most of the electrics were way down on what I had before.

(Now on a lot of the single coiled guitars I was doubling-up on a position - i.e. two bridge tele pickups at the bridge in exactly the same position.

I have moded nealy all the v2.0 guitars that way plus most I have upped from 4db to 6db to get back to par with 1.9)

3: Maybe it is just me but on my pre 2.0 guitars I am sure they were all Linear but the v2.0 all seem audio

4: Again to me some of the neck positions sound more trebly than v1.9


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 05:32 PM

Well the video just proved to me what my own observations were when I upgraded.

1: Of the electrics, except the LP and the new Casino which I really like a lot, they were all insipid sounding and

2: Low on volume. Using the presets in the HD500 that I was using for 1.9 Most of the electrics were way down on what I had before.

(Now on a lot of the single coiled guitars I was doubling-up on a position - i.e. two bridge tele pickups at the bridge in exactly the same position.

I have moded nealy all the v2.0 guitars that way plus most I have upped from 4db to 6db to get back to par with 1.9)

3: Maybe it is just me but on my pre 2.0 guitars I am sure they were all Linear but the v2.0 all seem audio

4: Again to me some of the neck positions sound more trebly than v1.9

 

I think those are great personal observations. You don't say whether you plan to use v1.9 or v2.0 going forward, but your observations certainly illustrate that the move from 1.9 to 2.0 requires a commitment to tweak existing presets (either HD500 or JTV) in order to 'get back to par'.

 

What I think it boils down to is this: if you're happy with par and want to remain there, then stay at 1.9 and continue to use your existing HD500 presets. When I say 'you' here and in the following I mean the general You, not you specifically anonyrat.

 

However, if you want to take advantage of the new HD modeling (now being applied to guitars as it was earlier to amps) then you will need to adjust to the new modeling. By 'take advantage' I am not referring to the new stock models in v2.0. I am referring to the new DSP engine - most notably the increased dynamics of the HD modeling. There is ,imho, much more realistic sensitivity of the guitar models to aggressive strumming and picking, and more realistic behaviour of the Tone control knob at the upper end, not to mention the enhancements of Workbench HD.  I think most people would agree that the playing dynamics are improved - you can really hear the amp responding much better now to the 'digging in' when you are playing.

 

But if your goal is to reproduce exactly the same v1.9 tones, using the same HD500 presets..... well, then, you don't need or want v2.0. How lucky! You avoid any need for upgrading and tweaking. On the other hand, you compromise on playing dynamics. There is no right or wrong choice here; to each their own.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:28 PM

I don't need a video to tell me that 2.0 is better than 1.9... my ears do that...

it's subjective is the point... i think you're wrong... you think i'm wrong... and in the end we're both right... because it's just an opinion.

 

I like these videos because it helps tell me if I should bother buying a JTV to step up from my 600.

 

One of the reasons why I was so comfortable with getting an old Variax in place of a JTV is because the modeling technology is the same before the HD update came.

The HD update might be a real game changer in the modeling guitar race, and it definitely catches my eye and makes me wish i had a JTV more.

 

I knew it was unrealistic for me to get 1.4k for a 69s maple neck.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:30 PM

not knocking the video at all... think its great when people take their time and put these together... not everyone has multiple variaxes etc.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:15 PM

You don't say whether you plan to use v1.9 or v2.0 going forward, but your observations certainly illustrate that the move from 1.9 to 2.0 requires a commitment to tweak existing presets (either HD500 or JTV) in order to 'get back to par'.

 

 

Good question. I think I will be happy with v2.1 :)  As to get back to par I really have never been at par - every v1.9 patch was tweaked - some v2.0 are tweaked.

Yes I like the new dynamics but what good are dynamics when a) the sound is wrong (ES-335 I have one and can do A/B comps L6 sounds like a low pass filter has been applied) B) The volumes too low - There is a lot of difference between the Variax sounds and the mag PUs. 


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 09:19 PM

thanks for the above link

IMO the  2.0 Les Paul is a good one

the Strat 1.9 is better than 2.0

and the 2.0  335 and 175 seem almost toys in comparison with those of the 1.9

 

100% agree. 

The new strat is way too thin. Much rather have the one from 1.9 available in the firmware.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:15 AM

Personally I don't think the video is really making a fair comparison.  It's common knowledge many of the 2.0 models are lower in volume, comparing them without compensating for the volume difference between the 2 is not a valid comparison IMO.  You can't make comparisons just plugging the guitars in, you need to also set the amp up for the guitar.

 

That said the more I use 2.0 the more I notice that particularly the G thru hi E strings are too low even compared to low E thru D and some models those strings don't even sound like they are on the same guitar.

 

Overall I still think 2.0 is quite an improvement on the most of the models, but I do think the volume and balance need to be tweaked on quite a few of the models, the strats, semi's, and rbilly's in particular.  I hope that is something that the next update covers, It's quite evident in the video as well that the top strings are lacking balance (at least to me).

 

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:53 AM

...I am referring to the new DSP engine - most notably the increased dynamics of the HD modeling. There is ,imho, much more realistic sensitivity of the guitar models to aggressive strumming and picking, and more realistic behaviour of the Tone control knob at the upper end, not to mention the enhancements of Workbench HD.  I think most people would agree that the playing dynamics are improved - you can really hear the amp responding much better now to the 'digging in' when you are playing...

 

I may be wrong, but I believe that emulate a tube amp is much more complex than emulate a guitar, especially for how much concerns the dynamics ..and so I imagine that a good tube amp emulation requires much more programmer work time than a guitar emulation to get the job done..

 

It seems to me that the main difference in the modeling between a jtv and a first generation Variax is due mainly to the management of the alt tunings, that in the last generation certainly requires more DSP power ..

 

when came out the POD HD series the HD amp models were already present in the devices.. and I absolutely agree, they are 100% HD in comparison with the oldest ones.. especially for the dynamics..

why the Variax HD guitar models come out only now after years from the first jtv release? .. strange! .. no?

 

what qualifies the new guitar models as HD?

 

sincerely I would like to see evidence that the HD dynamics are so improved in the last 2.0 fw, and that it is not only a different makeup of overtones and volumes that changed so far (and mostly for the worse, I would say)..


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 02:10 AM

that video does not do justice to the actual sounds v.2 looks worse and interpretation in different settings,

working a bit in the HD version sounds far exceeds the old version


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