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#21 hurghanico

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 03:21 AM

that video does not do justice to the actual sounds v.2 looks worse and interpretation in different settings,

working a bit in the HD version sounds far exceeds the old version

 

I would like to believe what you say.. really!!
but with the HD500 it was love at first sight, though not without some initial little difficulties ..

and more or less the same thing happened with my Variax 700 ..
but for this 2.0 fw I do not feel even a little initial attraction
to start with.. at the moment..

which for me translates in: wait to buy a jtv until they release significant better electric models than my 700..


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:00 AM

hurghanico, about the 700...Comparing the jtv with the 700 is 2 different worlds.Sure the electronics of the 700 were not supperior of the jtv, but there was not any lag at all...And the feel of the guitar (700) was much more better that the jtv.Although the sound of the jtv captures the correct tones of the modeled guitars, the 700 captured the soul of the guitars..You know it is not a stratocaster, but is the soul of the strat, and in some tonalities better and worse than the strat...700 had it's own character...

And the acoustics (for me) were much more better than the jtv's...And the feel of the 700.. O my god...so nice...I spent countless hours with it...As for the pick ups that not exist, for me it was better, it gave a unique character to the guitar..

 

For the point:

 

JTV 2.0 is more realistic sounded than the 1.9, but after downgrading to 1.9 and comparing, i found that the 1.9 is better than the 2.0..

At least (for me) I have more sounds to use.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:29 AM

I'd love to see a video comparing the 700(or 500,300) with the Variax JTV


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 05:43 AM

...Although the sound of the jtv captures the correct tones of the modeled guitars, the 700 captured the soul of the guitars..You know it is not a stratocaster, but is the soul of the strat, and in some tonalities better and worse than the strat...700 had it's own character...

And the acoustics (for me) were much more better than the jtv's...

 

maybe I need just the soul and not too much realism.. who knows?!!.. on what it depends

the only thing I know is that many 700 sounds still makes me enjoy, and what I hear in the 2.0 demos not as much..

therefore if the well captured soul is the magic ingredient: long live the soul!!


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:25 AM

sincerely I would like to see evidence that the HD dynamics are so improved in the last 2.0 fw, and that it is not only a different makeup of overtones and volumes that changed so far (and mostly for the worse, I would say)..

 

 

You're welcome to your opinion, but I'd say your opinion is extremely short-sighted without having actually played a JTV with the HD models firsthand. You're basing it on a few Youtube videos and clips and whatnot. I'd say you have you to play a guitar to know if you like it.

 

Personally, I think the HD models are a whole other playing experience to the first gen of modeling. I had a Variax 300 for a while, but I never got to the place where I could play it consistently because while I thought it sounded OK, it always felt like I was making quite a trade-off between playing it and the real thing. I think there's always going to be some trade-off, but the question is how big can we tolerate. With the HD models, though, I feel the gap has gotten pretty small. There are some models where I can tell very little difference between the JTV and the real thing.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:28 AM

I'd love to see a video comparing the 700(or 500,300) with the Variax JTV

 

me too,

 

time ago there was a video comparing the 700 to a jtv (but obviously with an old fw) done by forum member called "merlin"

I'll try to find it and post it here if it still exists somewhere..

 

in the meantime maybe you could find interesting to watch this video comparing the 1.9 fw JTV to the real things..

 

(As you will note, them same fragments of songs are played in both videos)

 

 

update:

 

still the same guy comparing a 500 to a JTV supposedly with the old 1.9 fw

 


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:40 AM

cool, I had already seen this video, and this video, except for the 335. jazztone 4 and strat, I consider the 2.0 far superior in every way ,but the strat with marsenite plank body is better than 1.9, test! and semi with ZAP upgrade is very good

I made confusion,I had already seen this video, but I'm talking about another of this same guy he compares the 1.9 to 2.0


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:40 AM

...You're welcome to your opinion, but I'd say your opinion is extremely short-sighted without having actually played a JTV with the HD models firsthand. You're basing it on a few Youtube videos and clips and whatnot. I'd say you have you to play a guitar to know if you like it...

 

maybe you're right, but the Variax undoubtedly also serves to record, and I do not like the recorded sounds I'm hearing around, and I prefer the older ones ..
unfortunately at the moment I have not the chance to try a jtv already updated but I can hear how it sounds when recorded, and for me is not encouraging..

this my short-sighted opinion.. sorry!


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 07:00 AM

would have been nice if the line 6, before the release hd, had done research with consumers to know which models should change or not? I know that maybe this is impossible but it would have been cool


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:11 AM

I have 2 variaxs

After trying the HD 2.0 update on one for a while Im reverting both back to 1.9 or possibly 1.72

 

Im not hearing anything in HD 2.0 but hype myself. Even a 7 year old VG-99 does much better guitar modeling than HD 2.0


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:22 AM

me too, i roll back to 1.72 with the old acoustic sounds and i tweak the eq´s on the fx-rack higher(presence!). the guitar works good for me.

i think a softwareupdate is a good thing, if there were huge improvement, but you listen to the comparison of v1.9 vs 2.0 and v 1.9 to old v500, the difference is not very big.

Cause everytime you change your settings (update)  you´ll have to change (tweak) your sounds to your personal taste, and in the end it´s more an "tweaking" than an guitarplaying!

 

i always say: never change a winning system - don´t tweak to much --> play your guitar (it´s all in your fingers)

 

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:04 AM

The comparison video totally reflects my experience with HD 2.0 models vs. 1.9 -- most notably the Spank models. I have played Strats onstage and in the studio for more than 30 years. I've owned more Strats than I care to remember, with both maple and rosewood fingerboards, ash and alder bodies, stock alnico/DiMarzio/Vintage Noiseless/EMG/Texas Special pickups, classic vibrato/American Deluxe vibrato/Kahler vibrato/hardtail. I have built a couple of custom Franken-Strats as well. I also own a Variax 600, 300, 700 Acoustic, JTV-69, and JTV-89. And a Pod HD500 that I'm just getting into. I like my Variaxes for the versatility I can have at a gig or in the studio. But for sheer playing joy, I love my Strats. That being said...

 

The HD 2.0 Spank models do not sound like any Strat I have ever played or owned. The 1.9 models are far more accurate in recreating the Strat tones I rely on. As I mentioned before, the video is only a confirmation of my actual experience with the new HD models, and why I downgraded back to 1.9.

 

And I certainly agree with what many have posted about the 335 models... what happened there?  :unsure:

 

Yes, tone is a subjective thing, YMMV, etc. But take people who have played Strats for years, decades -- and have them do a blind test on 1.9 vs. 2.0. I bet at least 9 out of 10 will prefer 1.9. HD Spank ≠ Strat.

 

Looking forward to HD Version 2.x...

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:21 AM

Yes, tone is a subjective thing, YMMV, etc. But take people who have played Strats for years, decades -- and have them do a blind test on 1.9 vs. 2.0. I bet at least 9 out of 10 will prefer 1.9. HD Spank ≠ Strat.

 

Looking forward to HD Version 2.x...

;)

 

 

Did you see the post I made comparing the Variax Spank model to a real Strat? They were pretty darn close. The biggest difference to me actually was the output level. The Variax model is a little hotter than the real thing, but that can vary from Strat to Strat.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, per se, but I don't how you can say the HD Spank isn't accurate.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:21 AM

The comparison video totally reflects my experience with HD 2.0 models vs. 1.9 -- most notably the Spank models. I have played Strats onstage and in the studio for more than 30 years. I've owned more Strats than I care to remember, with both maple and rosewood fingerboards, ash and alder bodies, stock alnico/DiMarzio/Vintage Noiseless/EMG/Texas Special pickups, classic vibrato/American Deluxe vibrato/Kahler vibrato/hardtail. I have built a couple of custom Franken-Strats as well. I also own a Variax 600, 300, 700 Acoustic, JTV-69, and JTV-89. And a Pod HD500 that I'm just getting into. I like my Variaxes for the versatility I can have at a gig or in the studio. But for sheer playing joy, I love my Strats. That being said...

 

The HD 2.0 Spank models do not sound like any Strat I have ever played or owned. The 1.9 models are far more accurate in recreating the Strat tones I rely on. As I mentioned before, the video is only a confirmation of my actual experience with the new HD models, and why I downgraded back to 1.9.

 

And I certainly agree with what many have posted about the 335 models... what happened there?  :unsure:

 

Yes, tone is a subjective thing, YMMV, etc. But take people who have played Strats for years, decades -- and have them do a blind test on 1.9 vs. 2.0. I bet at least 9 out of 10 will prefer 1.9. HD Spank ≠ Strat.

 

Looking forward to HD Version 2.x...

;)

 

The new strat sounds nothing like my actual strat. Obviously, like almost any type of guitar, there can be tremendous variation tonally between models from different years and specifications. However, 2.0 Strat sounds like it has a balsa wood body.

 

I really do not care if its a more accurate 'HD' replication of the guitar they used.

 

 

Let L6 know. Heres a topic I started asking for the capacity to load older models...

 

http://line6.com/sup...e-in-workbench/


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:47 AM

I'm not saying you're wrong, per se, but I don't how you can say the HD Spank isn't accurate.

 

maybe they used your strat to do the new modeling??.. ah ah.. just joking here.. but.. who knows?!?!. .or maybe they used another very similar guitar?

I agree that the 2.0 spank is very close to your strat, but that doesn't mean that it sounds better than the previous 1.9 model..

I see many customers here me included who prefer the previous strat sound, maybe that's not important for Line6 but IMO it should be so in case we were the majority


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 12:51 PM

As I always say-The HD strat and 335 are not guitars I would buy in the real world. The 1.9 strat and 335 are guitars I would buy in the real world.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 02:01 PM

I already am becoming boring saying the same thing, but I insist, try to put the marsonite planks body in place spank body, I found that much improvement.
My final opinion, after several gigs is that strat, 335 and jazztones worsened much but the rest of the models are much better, despite the very low volume in comparison to 1.9


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 02:06 PM

I would say that the jazzies got better on th v.2 IMHO, but all in all, v.1.9 was better...I try to udjust on v.2 for the moment..


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 02:10 PM

something I've been thinking too, I think the delay for this update was so, we have created a huge expectation, that would be the greatest wonder of the world, and despite the advances, some models walked back and disappointed


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:00 PM

The Masonite body is a good substitute when used with the Strat pickups. 

I also recommend folks drop the resistance on the Tone control to darken the sound more akin to the 1.9.


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