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#1 spmartin

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:49 PM

O.K. I have a weird problem. If this is the wrong thread, please redirect me to anyone who would be able to help. 

 

When using the piezo pickups, on standard tuning, everything sounds fine on all models. However, when I move into, say, DADGAD, then my high B and E strings both sound like they've got ghost notes. I've tried to modify it in Workbench with no luck. These ghost notes appear in many of the alt tunings. I have also put a damper behind the nut to see if that would help. Any insights from anyone? I am a novice at this Variax thing. I've had it about a week. The "stellar" line 6 documentation does not seem to give me any clues. 

Any help will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks.

Steve


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#2 ozbadman

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:02 PM

O.K. I have a weird problem. If this is the wrong thread, please redirect me to anyone who would be able to help. 
 
When using the piezo pickups, on standard tuning, everything sounds fine on all models. However, when I move into, say, DADGAD, then my high B and E strings both sound like they've got ghost notes. I've tried to modify it in Workbench with no luck. These ghost notes appear in many of the alt tunings. I have also put a damper behind the nut to see if that would help. Any insights from anyone? I am a novice at this Variax thing. I've had it about a week. The "stellar" line 6 documentation does not seem to give me any clues. 
Any help will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks.
Steve


Steve, it's the correct forum, but you need to start your own thread on this topic in order to maximize your chance of someone replying. Just start a new thread and copy what you wrote into it.
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#3 spmartin

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:17 PM

Steve, it's the correct forum, but you need to start your own thread on this topic in order to maximize your chance of someone replying. Just start a new thread and copy what you wrote into it.

Thanks for your help. If I don't get a response, I will just call Sweetwater, or Line 6.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:23 PM

Are you absolutely sure you're not hearing the guitar acoustically im addition to the Varix, i.e. is your amp loud enough to mask the guitar's acoustic sound, or use headphones to check. One way to test if it's coming through the output is to record it. If it's there in the recording then you have a problem.


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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:23 PM

try a new battery


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#6 spmartin

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:14 PM

Mr_Arkadin - the sound is present in headphones. Thanks for the suggestion

 

Toneman2121 - I don't happen to have a new battery, but the one I have is fully charged, and seems to work well.


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#7 spmartin

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:15 PM

Tomorrow I will make a recording and post it to SoundCloud. Then, I'll put a link here.


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#8 spmartin

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:16 PM

O.K. for anyone interested in hearing these strange notes, I recorded a sample. Again, thanks in advance for any ideas. This was recorded clean using a Yamaha THR10 and an Apogee MiC.

http://goo.gl/2oaVhr


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 08:46 PM

O.K. for anyone interested in hearing these strange notes, I recorded a sample. Again, thanks in advance for any ideas. This was recorded clean using a Yamaha THR10 and an Apogee MiC.

http://goo.gl/2oaVhr

 

"we can't find that"

Your link is broken. If you're getting weird ringing notes, it might be your strings behind the nut ringing and traveling to the piezo. Arnold made a video about this. Putting velcro or a hairtie, or something that'll mute the part of the strings behind the nut will stop that.


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#10 spmartin

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:16 PM

Thanks Clay-man. Link should be fixed now. Here is an updated URL.

http://snd.sc/15S79pw

BTW, I do have dampening material under my strings in back of the nut (thanks to a post on this forum). Did not seem to make any difference. Thanks for pointing it out though! Now I gotta hit the sack..1:15am on the east coast!
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#11 clay-man

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:34 PM

You need to turn up your amp to drown out the acoustic sound of your strings (the natural sound directly from the strings, not the guitar)

 

This is something you'll have to face with the Variax since it's not actually physically altering the tuning, but rather processing the signal to a different pitch.

I know it might be annoying, but you can drown out the strings without being too loud.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 10:51 PM

O.K. for anyone interested in hearing these strange notes, I recorded a sample. Again, thanks in advance for any ideas. This was recorded clean using a Yamaha THR10 and an Apogee MiC.
http://goo.gl/2oaVhr

 

Instead of recording with a Mic, you need to record directly from the JTV plugged into your recording device to make sure you are only getting the processed signal. See if the weird notes go away under those conditions.


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#13 Mr_Arkadin

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 03:52 AM

Instead of recording with a Mic, you need to record directly from the JTV plugged into your recording device to make sure you are only getting the processed signal.

 

Yeah that's what I meant by providing a recording - needs to be direct into the computer from the guitar otherwise it's impossible to rule out weird acoustic effects from your room.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:05 AM

I have the same problem with mine but much worse than yours on all 6 strings.

Strings 1,2,3,4 are the worst (high E, B, G, D).

 

If you find something that works I'm very interested.

I've tried changing strings, updating firmware. Damping the other strings with my fingers.


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#15 spmartin

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:39 AM

I have the same problem with mine but much worse than yours on all 6 strings.

Strings 1,2,3,4 are the worst (high E, B, G, D).

 

If you find something that works I'm very interested.

I've tried changing strings, updating firmware. Damping the other strings with my fingers.

I plan to contact Line6 today to see what they can tell me. (wish me luck with them). Also, maybe the techs at Sweetwater will have some ideas. According to my sales rep, they have sold about 2,500 of these Variaxes. They must have heard about this issue. I even tried recreating the DADGAD tuning using the virtual capo function. I believe it helped clear up the high B string a bit. It's still way off.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:02 AM

There are two things to check to make sure that it is truly working incorrectly . . .

 

1.  In Workbench, make sure that the "Magnetics Blend" (bottom right hand corner) is set all the way off, or left.

2.  Do your recording directly into your PC, without using a microphone.  You may be getting some bleed through from the physical strings, which could affect what you hear, as well as your recording if you're using a microphone.

 

If you can hear the ghost notes in the recording, if recorded totally direct, then you do have a problem.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:03 AM

Here is a new recording. 

https://soundcloud.c...008/ghost-notes

 

This has 3 samples all recorded directly into Garageband using Apogee Jam interface. 1)All 6 strings, in standard tuning, using magnetic pickups. 2) All six strings, in standard tuning, using piezo on T-Model setting. 3)All six strings using Piezo pickup on DADGAD tuning. Other alternative tunings have other strings with pronounced ghost notes also.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:04 AM

There are two things to check to make sure that it is truly working incorrectly . . .

 

1.  In Workbench, make sure that the "Magnetics Blend" (bottom right hand corner) is set all the way off, or left.

2.  Do your recording directly into your PC, without using a microphone.  You may be getting some bleed through from the physical strings, which could affect what you hear, as well as your recording if you're using a microphone.

 

If you can hear the ghost notes in the recording, if recorded totally direct, then you do have a problem.

Thanks for your feedback. Magnetics Blend is off. I just uploaded the new recording. Check it out.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:23 AM

Yup.  It's certainly there; especially pronounced on the high E string.  Another thing you might want to try is re-flashing the firmware and see if that helps.


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#20 spmartin

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:35 AM

Thanks BigChas52. I have re-installed the firmware. Did not seem to make a difference. I would think that it is a piezo pickup, but it works fine in standard tuning. Just gets whacky in alt tunings. Also, the strings that have the ghost notes vary from DADGAD to Blues G etc. Strange. I opened a support ticket with Line 6, and sent them a link to the audio file. We'll see what they say. You have none of these issues?


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