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What Is Better?jtv Or The Old Variax 700?


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Poll: What Is Better?jtv Or The Old Variax 700? (47 member(s) have cast votes)

JTV or Variax 700?

  1. Variax 700 (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  2. JTV (43 votes [91.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.49%

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#1 arislaf

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:54 AM

The sound, the design, the feeling, the look...

 

What is better? Vote and say!


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#2 arislaf

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 02:55 AM

For all of the above, exept the tone (for realism) , the best choice is the old 700...

The soul is better on 700 too...


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 03:06 AM

The 700 is an ugly shaped piece of wood. Even the 300, 600 and 500 looked better. The 700 has neither style nor soul. They look like a log of wood for high school posers.
I was definetely shocked when they came out - an absolute design failure.
The JTVs, while I prefer the 69 for her surf style look, are real guitars with even that: Style and soul.


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#4 clay-man

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 03:24 AM

I had the misfortune to own a 700. Felt like Cr**, wouldn't stay in tune, even when I didn't use the trem (which I didn't use anway because of the horrible "PING" noises it made). JTV59 rules for me. Must try a 69 some time to see if the trem is better.

 

The reason it didn't stay in tune is because it had a crappy low quality nut. My 600 has a pretty sub-par nut as well, though it stays in tune if i don't use the tremelo.

I need to replace the nut with a graphtech TUSQ nut so I can use the tremolo actively.

 

Personally, I don't know about the 700, but I love my 600. The design was great. Looks like a Strat should. All that's missing are real pickups.

 

The JTV has superior features, definitely, but comparing the 69 to the 600, I prefer the way the 600 looks. The headstock looks awful, and I love the glossy finish on the maple neck on my 600.

 

I do however think the 59 looks absolutely beautiful, the only problem I have is the 3 way switch. While I know it's trying to keep in style of a Les Paul, I would find it annoying to having to use the push pull knob to switch between 1-3-5 to 2-3-4 pickup selection. If it had a 5 way switch blade, I'd love it.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:13 AM

the 69 headstock is beautiful.. so glad that they did not go with the James Tyler headstock... now THAT's ugly... (and the man makes GREAT guitars)

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the 69, has grown on me alot since the first time i saw it...

I have a 59, aesthetically i like the 3 way switch... but i don't really like the way it works with the models... in the dream rig context, i can just force the mode though.

I voted JTV myself.


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#6 hurghanico

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:16 AM

The sound, the design, the feeling, the look...

 

for all the above aspects I prefer the 700..

 

to the people saying that it doesn't stay in tune:

I never had any tuning problem.. but it must be said that with any guitar if the strings are not mounted properly you'll get always tuning problems..

 

speaking about the style/look the only JTV that I find appealing is the 59, but if we speak strictly about style (something that makes it unique) the 700 wins hands down..


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:34 AM

I believe only me and hurghanico will be for the 700..

I also never had problems with the tuning.


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#8 clay-man

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:57 AM

the 69 headstock is beautiful.. so glad that they did not go with the James Tyler headstock... now THAT's ugly... (and the man makes GREAT guitars)

 

 

the 69, has grown on me alot since the first time i saw it...

I have a 59, aesthetically i like the 3 way switch... but i don't really like the way it works with the models... in the dream rig context, i can just force the mode though.

I voted JTV myself.

 

The 69's headstock is a lot better than the JT headstock yeah. I guess I just dig the Fender-esque headstock a lot. I like the decals a lot as well.

 

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I also put a lot of home made decals on my guitar. They're easily removable if I decide I want to take them off or get sick of them.

 

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I also made a custom label for my model knob. Since it doesn't have an LED, and I have a lot of overwritten slots, I thought it would be nice to make a label of my own.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:05 AM

I never played a 700, but I did have the 300. They all had the same electronics, though. I actually did like the neck of my 300 quite a bit, but as far as the sounds, they were OK, but not up to snuff with JTV. I think a lot of it had to do with the piezo saddles Line 6 used on the original Variax. I definitely noticed more "plinks" with the original Variax than I do with the JTV even before the HD update. With the HD update, I have to say they're all but gone.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:07 AM

loved my 600 back in the day... still have a soft spot for it... but i was never playing it so i passed it on...

i had added a bone nut and some planet wave autotrims....

i do like the stickers, mine was the sunburst model, so it didn't lend itself to that very well.

it was actually still mint after owning it like 7 years and playing the crap out of it.

 

The 69's headstock is a lot better than the JT headstock yeah. I guess I just dig the Fender-esque headstock a lot. I like the decals a lot as well.

 

 

 

I also put a lot of home made decals on my guitar. They're easily removable if I decide I want to take them off or get sick of them.

 

 

 

I also made a custom label for my model knob. Since it doesn't have an LED, and I have a lot of overwritten slots, I thought it would be nice to make a label of my own.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:24 AM

loved my 600 back in the day... still have a soft spot for it... but i was never playing it so i passed it on...

i had added a bone nut and some planet wave autotrims....

i do like the stickers, mine was the sunburst model, so it didn't lend itself to that very well.

it was actually still mint after owning it like 7 years and playing the crap out of it.

 

Totally understandable. 1st gen Variax is obviously outdated technology, but it's still great if you don't have a JTV, which is my case. I'm lucky I have a Variax at all.

It's best to let someone who will play it have it though. Sounds like you made some nice modifications.

 

Thanks about the stickers. I printed some images, layered double sided tape on the back and then glossy tape on the front to laminate it and prevent the ink from smearing. Looks great in person.

 

If you looked up close to the fake bridge pickup plate, it has "VARIAX" embossed in it like a Fender guitar.

 

Was definitely fun customizing. Looks great when you take them off still. 


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:16 AM

For all of the above, exept the tone (for realism) , the best choice is the old 700...

The soul is better on 700 too...

 

Couldn't agree more. The new sounds are better, but the style and build quality of the 700 is waaaayyyy above the JTV series. It's a shame. I'll say this: I'll never be buying a real James Tyler guitar.


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#13 ozbadman

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:27 AM

The 700 is an ugly shaped piece of wood. Even the 300, 600 and 500 looked better. The 700 has neither style nor soul. They look like a log of wood for high school posers.
I was definetely shocked when they came out - an absolute design failure.


Oh no Sir. I think you're referring to this:

 

the 69 headstock is beautiful.. so glad that they did not go with the James Tyler headstock... now THAT's ugly... (and the man makes GREAT guitars)
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#14 arislaf

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 09:34 AM

OMG, we are 3!!


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:10 AM

I do not own a 700 (electric) so I cant comment on that comparison, but compared to my variax 600, the JTV69 is much better build quality and design. I have played the daylights out of my JTV and haven't had a single significant issue in over 32 months of playing. I did have piezo problems on my Variax 300 and 600, and my Variax 700 Acoustic had an issue with its VDI Socket.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:11 AM

In the past I owned a Variax 700, a 500, and a 300

 

I now own a JTV89 and two transplants I made out of the 500 and 300.

 

The workmanship on the 700 was far better than on the JTV IMO. Japan>Korea when it comes to building guitars, there is no way around that.

 

The design of the JTV (all models) is a huge improvement over the 700/500/600/300 IMO, WITH THE EXCEPTION of the headstock. I always thought the 700/600/500/300 body design looked terrible, a problem made worse by the lack of pickups.

 

The JTV69/89 headstock is not nearly as bad as the regular Tyler headstock (which may be the ugliest headstock ever designed) but not as good as dozens of other designs. the JTV59 headstock looks "okay" to me, tho a bit boring - I think the 500/700 headstock was maybe a little better. The 600/300 Variax had a much more attractive headstock shape than my JTV69/89 IMO, tho I am not really in love with the 600/300 design either- maybe if it had a different logo design it would be great, I think the basic 600/300 shape is pretty nice.

 

THE JTV89 BRIDGE IS IMO A BIG OLE PILE OF LOLLICRAP. I will be replacing it ASAP.

 

2.0 modeling by far outshines Gen1 Vax modeling IMO, though I enjoy playing my Tele Variax transplant more than I do my JTV (the Tele has a nicer neck and a Bigsby) I am currently using the JTV more often. It just sounds better.

 

Overall my vote goes to JTV by many, many miles.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:18 AM

one thing that surprised me is that the headstock on the 59 is the same as the 700 acoustic... those 2 guitars feel extremely similar! i mean weight and everything.. (save the obvious like controls, etc)


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:52 AM

So I have a number of Variax 700s, and just one JTV59 (I wanted a 69, but can't get past the ugliness).
 
I'm interested though: For those who don't like the look of the 700, is it:
a) the body shape

b) the natural wood coming through the lacquer
c) the neck/headstock
d) the lack of a pick-guard
e) the "weird" look of having no pickups.
f) all of the above
 
I'm interested as I personally find the 700 the most beautiful looking guitar I've ever seen. That being said, I could understand people not liking the lack of pickups, but the overall shape of the guitar, including the shaped top is very similar to a PRS to me (oh yeah, I guess PRS guitars are the most beautiful I've ever seen).
 
Just curious as to what people don't like about the look of the 700, for those who don't like it.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:55 AM

i mostly didn't like the price honestly... it was double the 300/600 price and offered just a bit of lipstick for the same functionality

i think it would have been better with pickups... cosmetically... but that goes for the other gen 1 variaxes too....


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:56 AM

I do not own a 700 (electric) so I cant comment on that comparison, but compared to my variax 600, the JTV69 is much better build quality and design. I have played the daylights out of my JTV and haven't had a single significant issue in over 32 months of playing. I did have piezo problems on my Variax 300 and 600, and my Variax 700 Acoustic had an issue with its VDI Socket.

 

Yeah, the 700 was a significantly higher build quality than the 600. Decent guitar though.


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