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JTV or Variax 700?

  1. Variax 700 (5 votes [9.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.26%

  2. JTV (49 votes [90.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.74%

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#41 arislaf

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:43 AM

Hell yeah Ed.Same here, 700 IS the most beautifull guitar ever!!


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#42 ReverendLove

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 09:24 AM

Sorry, arislaf. I gave you a bad reputation point by accident.
Would you please give me one bad too, because I don't know how to fix it and I don't want that the universe implodes? So we keep it in balance.
I usually don't  give bad reputations but for massive aggressive attacking people personally and you definetely didn't do that.

TIA.


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#43 arislaf

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 09:33 AM

ReverendLove, I gave u a plus 1 up, you are straight forward guy and I apreciate it! We are ok ;)


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#44 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 10:37 AM

My two beauties, head to head. Time for a threesome?

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Sorry, redhead, but I still love my blonde. I hope you do not get jealous. She is not, at all.

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I like that, girls. keep it up.

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Beautiful necks....

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Her cleavage is allways motivating.

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And those pretty shoulders...

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Perhaps it is better that we all go to bed. No one has to go now. It will be much better if we stick together.

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By the way, redhead, have you ever been experienced?

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#45 arislaf

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:06 AM

Oh my...These curves...This body...There are many times I believe the 700 is better than a woman...


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#46 arislaf

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:07 AM

By the way, the blood red is finally the best color from the JTVs...


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#47 hurghanico

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 11:29 AM

Here: http://ow.ly/i/3Ayj

Original post: http://www.guitarmas...ndpost&p=498326

 

It´s made by a brazilian luthier.

 

thanks for the link

he did a good job, nice looking


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#48 clay-man

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:50 PM

I forgot to state the obvious here:

Another thing the JTV has against the old Variaxes is that the JTV has superior piezo pickups.

 

We've all seen the "My X string is quiet and noisy" thread multiple times. In fact, I was one of those people, and had to replace my D string piezo, and this is weeks to 1 month after just getting my guitar.

Not only that, but the sound quality of the piezos are higher too. They were high enough for people to notice a difference between old Variaxs and the JTVs even prior to the HD update, and the old JTV firmware had the same modeling as the old Variaxes.

 

But like I've said, the old Variaxes are still amazing if you don't have a JTV. I still think they hold up in the guitar world, and can still easily fool people as sounding like the real guitars they're modeled after. Just think of it as a nice budget Variax, cause that's what I did.


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#49 hurghanico

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 06:55 AM

I forgot to state the obvious here:

Another thing the JTV has against the old Variaxes is that the JTV has superior piezo pickups.

 

you're right, but luckily there are also the Graph Tech Ghost saddles

http://www.graphtech...cing---6-string

you can mount them on a old Variax and they are probably much better than the JTV ones..

 

taken from their specs:

Ghost pickups contain a custom engineered piezo crystals that is encapsulated in a set of String Saver saddles. The ghost saddle pickups have a natural compression effect so you can play as hard as you want without overloading the input channel or experiencing the dreaded piezo "Quack".


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#50 johnnyayyy

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:08 AM

you're right, but luckily there are also the Graph Tech Ghost saddles

http://www.graphtech...cing---6-string

you can mount them on a old Variax and they are probably much better than the JTV ones..

 

taken from their specs:

Ghost pickups contain a custom engineered piezo crystals that is encapsulated in a set of String Saver saddles. The ghost saddle pickups have a natural compression effect so you can play as hard as you want without overloading the input channel or experiencing the dreaded piezo "Quack".

 

I have 2 Variaxes with GraphTech Ghost bridges and 1 JTV and the GraphTech bridges/saddles are around 9,999,999,999,999 times better than the JTV bridge/saddles IMO.


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#51 johnnyayyy

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:10 AM

+1 This is the exactly the same situation as mine.
I bought the 89 Blood Red just because of the sweetwater offer. Initially planned to sell my Variax 700 later, but once I saw them both together, I realized that I could not sell the most beautiful guitar I have. The 700 looks more like a Jazz guitar to me (body shape, headstock, neck inlays, etc). I also love some PRS guitars, by the way.

I think I'm going to keep this guitar forever, and even if the electronics fail some day, I'll take it to a luthier to install a good pair of SD pickups.

 

Something like this:

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Wow, that 700 looks pretty nice with pickups... bet L6 would have sold way more if the looked like that from the factory


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#52 hurghanico

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 07:29 AM

..I have 2 Variaxes with GraphTech Ghost bridges..

 

have you mounted them by yourself?


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#53 LarryWilliams

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 08:00 AM

I had a 700.  Now a JTV59.   I like everythinga bout the 700 except the back of the neck.   I have never been a fan of the satin feel on the back of the neck.  I guess, as a child of the 60's, I grew up with lacquer on the neck and like it. 

 

As for the look of the 700, I though it was very pretty in the cherry sunburst.  It would have benefitted greatly from the addition of a maple (flame) top.   I would have still had the 700 if it had: maple top, set neck, finish on back of neck.


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#54 hurghanico

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:05 PM

...I like everythinga bout the 700 except the back of the neck.   I have never been a fan of the satin feel on the back of the neck...

 

strange, my 700 black with tremolo with all original parts doesn't have the satin finish on the back of the neck..


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#55 Inerzia

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:38 PM

Another thing the JTV has against the old Variaxes is that the JTV has superior piezo pickups.

 

Well, that may be, but the fact is that my 700 hasn't failed and my JTV is starting to.
The piezos on the 3rd and 4th strings are damaged (the strings have carved their way in)

and they're giving me a nasty "quack" sound when I play hard.
What do you, people, recommend to replace them? Should I replace them all for new ones? Same brand? Other?


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#56 Crusty_Old_Rocker

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:47 PM

It's funny, I like the look of my Cherry Burst 700 over my Lake Placid Blue JTV69.  But across every other dimension, the JTV69 is a much better instrument.

 

Cheers,

 

Crusty


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#57 dkemusic

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

I definitely like my JTV59 more than my V700 which I haven't touched since I bought the JTV.  The V700 is a nice guitar but for me JTV is better in pretty much every way.

 

Dan


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#58 johnnyayyy

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 09:18 PM

have you mounted them by yourself?

 

 

Yes.


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#59 clay-man

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:00 AM

Well, that may be, but the fact is that my 700 hasn't failed and my JTV is starting to.
The piezos on the 3rd and 4th strings are damaged (the strings have carved their way in)

and they're giving me a nasty "quack" sound when I play hard.
What do you, people, recommend to replace them? Should I replace them all for new ones? Same brand? Other?

 

I don't think the JTV piezos are open to public for purchase, unless you maybe send in your guitar for repair.

 

I got a new piezo for my 600 directly from LR Baggs because their X-bridge piezos are virtually the same as the Gen1 Variax piezos.

 

The problem with the Variax is that they have their piezos exposed, which can lead to damaging them from string friction or sweat corrosion over time. The ghost piezos are encased in the saddles so they don't really get corroded. 


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#60 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 05:50 AM

The thing I really did not like about the original Variax Piezo's was that they relied on contacting the strings for their grounding.  Every once and a while I would get a bad connection with associated hum.  The Ghost piezo's have a ground wire on each one which I connected to the flex ground in the Variax 500 bridge.  No hum and far more output.  I had to turn the string volumes down to about 50%.

 

I have not looked at the JTV piezo connections to see if they are grounded individually the way they should be.


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#61 clay-man

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:12 AM

The thing I really did not like about the original Variax Piezo's was that they relied on contacting the strings for their grounding.  Every once and a while I would get a bad connection with associated hum.  The Ghost piezo's have a ground wire on each one which I connected to the flex ground in the Variax 500 bridge.  No hum and far more output.  I had to turn the string volumes down to about 50%.

 

I have not looked at the JTV piezo connections to see if they are grounded individually the way they should be.

 

This. I had so much grief with my Variax when I got it cause a few weeks after I got it, the D string piezo went out from bad ground connection.

I fixed it by putting copper wire between the piezo and saddle, but I tried pressing it in further to make sure the piezo was in as deep as it could be and I ended up breaking the grounding. I tried taking it out and accidently broke the signal wire, and the piezo was ultimately unusable now.

 

LUCKILY I bought a new x-bridge piezo from LR Baggs (Piezos were out on Line6 and there were rumors of them not stocking them back up anymore)

And I soldered the new piezo's wire to the old piezo's wire.

Works great now. No more signal going out when I use the whammy bar.

 

After that, I freaking love my guitar.


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#62 arislaf

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:08 AM

Hell, after installing the graphtec to my V700 the sounds gone even better!The tones become more bright and vivid (although the Les Paul standard become a bit usseles, replace the bank with a custom only), the acoustics sounded far better even from the JTV 2.0!!!I love my 700, is the best guitar I ever had...


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#63 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 06:51 AM

More pics of a VAX 700 with magnetic pickups, this time in a S-S-H configuration:

 

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#64 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 07:09 AM

By the way...I have a question that maybe you can help me solve.

Regarding overall building quality ... What price range would correspond to a Vax 700 guitar as if it were a normal guitar?
(I mean, the price could have had sold new as a standard electric guitar)
 Of course, we must take into consideration the price of the magnetic pickups, so if we assume that it had a couple of Seymour Duncan humbuckers –something like the SD Hot Rodded set: SH-2N + SH-4 JB
–, How much do you think that would cost this –made in japan– guitar sold new? (and not necessarily under the L6 brand)
 


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#65 Mr_Arkadin

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 08:01 AM

That's a really neat job Ed.


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#66 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 08:13 AM

I´ve found the photos here: http://www.voxhumana...t-extra-pickups

 

It´s made by a dutch luthier.

 

As I said earlier in this thread, I really like the shape and color (among other things) of my variax 700 amber, so I'm seriously considering putting on humbuckers (take a look at post #40 ), but that would be the day that the electronics stop working, for use as a standard electric guitar. For this reason I have asked that question to you (mentioned in my previous post)


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#67 hurghanico

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 04:05 PM

... What price range would correspond to a Vax 700 guitar as if it were a normal guitar?...

 

I'm just speculating below here ;)

 

if you think that a 500 has the same electronics (modeling engine) of a 700 I suppose that the digital part could probably cost at least half the 500 value B)

 

subtracting the above digital engine supposed cost from a new 700 price that should give very aproximately 1000 euros for the nude japan made guitar


IMO if you invest in adding some good pickups you should obtain a good standard guitar

but in any case if the electronics fails some day I think that you'll find easily some replacement parts


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

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but in any case if the electronics fails some day I think that you'll find easily some replacement parts

 Not necessarily. The only easily available replacement parts are the external parts - knobs, switches, jacks, piezos etc and whatever plug-in chips/boards are associated with them. If the internal electronic chips/boards fail (e.g. the motherboard) the only way to get them is to buy another Variax 700 and cannibalize it (or buy the parts from someone else who has done this). Line 6 does not sell internal electronics for the Variaxes.


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#69 hurghanico

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 01:33 AM

... The only easily available replacement parts are the external parts - knobs, switches, jacks, piezos etc and whatever plug-in chips/boards are associated with them...

 

there could be available also some motherboards coming from old transplants where the owners swapped the old internal system for the new


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#70 silverhead

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:21 AM

Agreed. The point is that you can't buy motherboards directly as replacement parts from Line 6. They are only available by cannibalizing from an actual Variax guitar, whether you do it yourself or buy the parts from someone who has done it.


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#71 toasterdude

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:31 AM

But can I but the pots and wire harness from Line 6 or a service center?


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#72 silverhead

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:36 AM

But can I but the pots and wire harness from Line 6 or a service center?

I don't know. In the past I have purchased things like knobs (not pots), VDI/14" jack assembly, pickup selector switch assembly, pickguard, and piezos. I would suggest you call Line 6 and ask them to point you to your nearest parts supplier.


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#73 Inerzia

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:57 AM

But, you can always replace the individual chips and other components on the board, can't you?
or is there any single component on the variaxes that is exclusive to L6?


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 06:17 AM

These products are fully embedded proprietary systems. The internal components are not swappable/replaceable like your average computer; you can't expect to replace the processor chip with a faster or more powerful chip that you might buy off-the-shelf at your local computer store. I don't expect you would end up with a working Variax if you replaced anything on the motherboard.


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#75 Inerzia

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:14 AM

I know that, Silverhead, and I don't mean that, I mean actually soldering things to the board, getting your hands dirty, assuming you have the knowledge.
There was a time when people used to repair electronic stuff, instead of throwing it away when it broke.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:27 AM

I imagine there's alot that you could fix on the board.... although some things like the processor itself would require a machine to replace.

but your common resisters, capacitors, and diodes etc... should be doable.

there are lots of 3rd party vendors who do this exact thing with motherboards out of apple laptops...

which of course have the processor machined onto the board.. as well as other proprietary chips... 


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#77 BucF16

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:15 AM

I actually liked the look of my 700.  I had no shortage of people asking me about my guitar between sets.  It was a beautiful gold color with great grain and the lack of pickups made for a cool, clean modern look IMO.

 

HOWEVER, the JTV destroys it in everything that really matters.

 

JTV modelling is WAY better, especially with the removal of what came to be the ice-pick-to-the-eardrum ping on the old VX.  Not very noticeable at first but if you played the guitar a lot (like I did) it came to be that little thing that drove me crazy.

 

Intonation on the 700 was awful at first, But I was finally able to fix it by gently filing the nut, and then I replaced the nut altogether with a graphtech nut.  It was a good girl after that.

 

The trem on the JTV will also keep playing way deeper into a dive than the 700.  Getting a 700 with a tremelo bar was really a waste.  You could add tremelo with the thing but you certainly couldn't go deeper than a whole step down without the sound disappearing totally.  I haven't measured it on my JTV but its vastly improved.

 

Right now my only complaint on the JTV is how incredibly heavy it is.


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#78 lasvideo

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:54 AM

 

"Right now my only complaint on the JTV is how incredibly heavy it is."

 

 

What great motivation to start lifting weights at the gym  :D


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#79 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:59 PM

Heavy guitars usually sound great.   My 69S isn't any heavier than my Strat though.


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#80 arislaf

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:58 AM

Heavy guitars usually sound great.   My 69S isn't any heavier than my Strat though.

Strange my 69s is way heavier than the strato !!!


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