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What Is Better?jtv Or The Old Variax 700?


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Poll: What Is Better?jtv Or The Old Variax 700? (47 member(s) have cast votes)

JTV or Variax 700?

  1. Variax 700 (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  2. JTV (43 votes [91.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.49%

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#21 phil_m

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:05 PM

I'm interested though: For those who don't like the look of the 700, is it:
a) the body shape B) the natural wood coming through the lacquer
c) the neck/headstock
d) the lack of a pick-guard
e) the "weird" look of having no pickups.
f) all of the above

 

 

The lack of pickups is probably the biggest thing for me. The body shape would probably be the second. It looks very derivative of PRS guitars to me (the cutaway is the thing), and I just have a lot of negative associations with PRS in general. The other things aren't issues.

 

I actually have grown quite fond of my JTV69. The shape of the headstock doesn't bother me as much as the graphics, but that's a minor quibble.


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#22 ReverendLove

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:26 PM

So I have a number of Variax 700s, and just one JTV59 (I wanted a 69, but can't get past the ugliness).
 
I'm interested though: For those who don't like the look of the 700, is it:
a) the body shape

b ) the natural wood coming through the lacquer
 
I'm interested as I personally find the 700 the most beautiful looking guitar I've ever seen. That being said, I could understand people not liking the lack of pickups, but the overall shape of the guitar, including the shaped top is very similar to a PRS to me (oh yeah, I guess PRS guitars are the most beautiful I've ever seen).

Whaaaaat?

You described exactly what makes the 700 disgusting. That fake PRS look that is worse than those undisputable ugly PRS firewood.
I am always embarassed for people playing this horrible furniture of the 80s and ninetees (PRS) on stage. They're simply awkward.
They do not even look like guitars to me, probably like mutants born from a tête-à-tête between a one legged cello and a bedside lamp.
I never understood this and I never will. If - by any law - I would be forced to play these boards only, I would quit playin.

And JTVs look like guitars. And its better to imitate a strat or a paula than this painfully designed disaster.

BTW: The one, only and ever beauty ist the Gretsch Jupiter Thunderbird. There you see a bold, timeless and cool guitar.
 


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#23 TheRealZap

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:29 PM

I agree with most of your PRS rant.... however i can never unsee a quick google of this classic turd you think is timeless and cool....

that's buttass ugly! and i generally love gretsch guitars.

 


BTW: The one, only and ever beauty ist the Gretsch Jupiter Thunderbird. There you see a bold, timeless and cool guitar.
 


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#24 ozbadman

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:33 PM

Whaaaaat?

You described exactly what makes the 700 disgusting. That fake PRS look that is worse than those undisputable ugly PRS firewood.


I dispute your indisputably, but I did enjoy the rant nevertheless.

 

I think I like PRS guitars as I like looking at polished wood. Hang on, that came out wrong....
 

BTW: The one, only and ever beauty ist the Gretsch Jupiter Thunderbird. There you see a bold, timeless and cool guitar.


There I see a festering turd.... :)
 


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#25 ReverendLove

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 12:40 PM

I agree with most of your PRS rant.... however i can never unsee a quick google of this classic turd you think is timeless and cool....

that's buttass ugly! and i generally love gretsch guitars.

 

Hehe, I knew I will get in troble for writing this :-)
I just adore Bo Diddley and the Duchesse.


 

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#26 clay-man

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 03:56 PM

Yeah, the 700 was a significantly higher build quality than the 600. Decent guitar though.

 

I know that the 700 is the highest quality in the original variaxes, but is the 600 better build quality than the 300? I know the 600 uses basswood.

 

The one thing I didn't like about the original line up was that they were all strats with just different headstocks and minor design differences. The JTV line offers more variety in what you can choose, though i still think they should make a telecaster model.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:19 PM

I know that the 700 is the highest quality in the original variaxes, but is the 600 better build quality than the 300? I know the 600 uses basswood.

 

The one thing I didn't like about the original line up was that they were all strats with just different headstocks and minor design differences. The JTV line offers more variety in what you can choose, though i still think they should make a telecaster model.

 

From what I understand the 600 was a better build quality than the 300, although I don't know why. People seemed to complain a lot about the guitar aspect of the 300, whereas overall people seemed fairly happy with their 600s.

 

I couldn't agree more with you about all the old Variaxes being Strat-ish. I think the current line-up covers a much broader group of people, which is great. I just wish they had used a different designer, and a Japanese factory.


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#28 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:26 PM

I own a 500, 700 Acoustic, and now a JTV69-S.  The 500 was great for it's time and so was the 700 Acoustic.  I really liked the 700 but I never could convince myself to buy one.  I did some upgrades on my 500 instead:  Locking Tuners (Planet Waves) an Ervana nut, and Ghost Piezo saddles.  It still plays great and stays in tune better than any of my other guitars.  I just recently purchased the JTV and I am still getting used to it.  The modeling is better for sure.  Not crazy about the Trem though.  I really don't use a Trem.  I don't find the JTV at all ugly - and I did not find the other earlier Variax models ugly either.  I like having pickups even if I don't end up using them much.  I am not sure why there are so many replies that Hate the look of some of these guitars.  I'm quite happy with mine.


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#29 clay-man

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:33 PM

From what I understand the 300 was a better build quality than the 600, although I don't know why. People seemed to complain a lot about the guitar aspect of the 300, whereas overall people seemed fairly happy with their 600s.

 

I couldn't agree more with you about all the old Variaxes being Strat-ish. I think the current line-up covers a much broader group of people, which is great. I just wish they had used a different designer, and a Japanese factory.

 

Aww really? Well, the thing that matters is if I like it or not. I love it.

 

300 was a strat with rosewood (I think)

500 was a strat with a LP headstock and an LP knob layout

600 was the closest to a regular strat, with a maple fretboard and tremelo

700 was a super strat

 

in my opinion ^


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:36 PM

Aww really? Well, the thing that matters is if I like it or not. I love it.

 

300 was a strat with rosewood (I think)

500 was a strat with a LP headstock and an LP knob layout

600 was the closest to a regular strat, with a maple fretboard and tremelo

700 was a super strat

 

in my opinion ^

 

Sorry, I got that in the wrong order. The 600 was a better build than the 300 :P I've fixed it in my original post.


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#31 TheRealZap

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:40 PM

I was going to say... the 600 was better :) 


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#32 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:48 PM

I think the 300 went too far on the cheap side.  The 600 was nice but not that much better than my 500.


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#33 clay-man

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

I was going to say... the 600 was better :)

 

It's more expensive than the 300 so I'd hope so. It's nice to have a tremolo again after playing an SG only for years, though like I said, I need to replace the nut because it's making it unusable since the strings are getting caught in the nut.

 

How good is a TUSQ? The problem with my guitar is that it goes out of tune if I do bends, and I hate that, so I stretch the strings until bends don't detune the guitar, but then if I use the tremelo, it goes out of tune. It's a lose-lose situation, so I just use bends for now.


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#34 stevekc

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:18 PM

 

The problem with my guitar is that it goes out of tune if I do bends, and I hate that, so I stretch the strings until bends don't detune the guitar, but then if I use the tremelo, it goes out of tune. It's a lose-lose situation, so I just use bends for now.

 

 

I mounted  a SuperVee Mag-lok on my  floating "strat type" bridge guitars (Variax 600, JTV-69, and also works on old Variax 700 )  and now experience more stability, better tone,

 


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#35 clay-man

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:33 PM

I mounted  a SuperVee Mag-lok on my  floating "strat type" bridge guitars (Variax 600, JTV-69, and also works on old Variax 700 )  and now experience more stability, better tone,

 

 

While I think that would help stability a lot, my guitar still needs a better nut as well. I'll probably get them both someday. I just need to know what's the proper nut size to get and how to set it up.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:52 PM

I like how my jtv89 plays, The neck is really comfortable and all, and it sounds better than my 700 ever did, modelingwise

(with the exception of the spank, semi, and jazz models, that I still prefer to the new 2.0 fw), but my 700...

I simply LOVE playing that guitar!

When I got it, my hands felt at home right away, and I just couldn't stop playing it. That's why I'm putting magnetic pickups

on it (pictures coming as soon as it's ready).
Never had any tuning problem with bendings, but I did have problems with the trem though, kicking some strings out of tune

whenever I used it. Don't ask me how I did it, but the fact is that, after some tweaking, I solved that too, and now it's behaving

as it should, that is, if you abuse the trem, strings will go out of tune, the same as they do on the best non-locking trems, but

for regular up to Beck-ish use, it holds.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:07 AM

I own a VAX 700, VAC 700, Jtv 59 and a JTV89f.  And while like others I definitely have a soft spot for my 700s the playability of the JTVs IMO is better especially the JTV89F.  I am not sure I understand why some people hate the 700 as I also think it has a striking and unique look because of the absence of pickups and the pick guard.

 

The headstock on the JTV89F is an improvement over the JTV 89 but I am not teribbly thrilled with it.


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#38 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:26 AM

I like how my jtv89 plays, ...., but my 700...

I simply LOVE playing that guitar!

When I got it, my hands felt at home right away, and I just couldn't stop playing it. That's why I'm putting magnetic pickups

on it (pictures coming as soon as it's ready).

 

+1 This is the exactly the same situation as mine.
I bought the 89 Blood Red just because of the sweetwater offer. Initially planned to sell my Variax 700 later, but once I saw them both together, I realized that I could not sell the most beautiful guitar I have. The 700 looks more like a Jazz guitar to me (body shape, headstock, neck inlays, etc). I also love some PRS guitars, by the way.

I think I'm going to keep this guitar forever, and even if the electronics fail some day, I'll take it to a luthier to install a good pair of SD pickups.

 

Something like this:

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#39 hurghanico

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:35 AM

Something like this:

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I like the 700 original look without PUPs, but anyway those are nice pictures?..  where did you find them?


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#40 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:42 AM

Here: http://ow.ly/i/3Ayj

Original post: http://www.guitarmas...ndpost&p=498326

 

It´s made by a brazilian luthier.

 

I also like the look of the 700 without pups, but we all have to assume that the electronics will fail someday. And I'm glad to know that even then I can still use the guitar, spending a little more money in the work of a good luthier.


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