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What Is Better?jtv Or The Old Variax 700?


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Poll: What Is Better?jtv Or The Old Variax 700? (47 member(s) have cast votes)

JTV or Variax 700?

  1. Variax 700 (4 votes [8.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.51%

  2. JTV (43 votes [91.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 91.49%

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#61 clay-man

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:12 AM

The thing I really did not like about the original Variax Piezo's was that they relied on contacting the strings for their grounding.  Every once and a while I would get a bad connection with associated hum.  The Ghost piezo's have a ground wire on each one which I connected to the flex ground in the Variax 500 bridge.  No hum and far more output.  I had to turn the string volumes down to about 50%.

 

I have not looked at the JTV piezo connections to see if they are grounded individually the way they should be.

 

This. I had so much grief with my Variax when I got it cause a few weeks after I got it, the D string piezo went out from bad ground connection.

I fixed it by putting copper wire between the piezo and saddle, but I tried pressing it in further to make sure the piezo was in as deep as it could be and I ended up breaking the grounding. I tried taking it out and accidently broke the signal wire, and the piezo was ultimately unusable now.

 

LUCKILY I bought a new x-bridge piezo from LR Baggs (Piezos were out on Line6 and there were rumors of them not stocking them back up anymore)

And I soldered the new piezo's wire to the old piezo's wire.

Works great now. No more signal going out when I use the whammy bar.

 

After that, I freaking love my guitar.


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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:08 AM

Hell, after installing the graphtec to my V700 the sounds gone even better!The tones become more bright and vivid (although the Les Paul standard become a bit usseles, replace the bank with a custom only), the acoustics sounded far better even from the JTV 2.0!!!I love my 700, is the best guitar I ever had...


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#63 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 06:51 AM

More pics of a VAX 700 with magnetic pickups, this time in a S-S-H configuration:

 

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#64 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 07:09 AM

By the way...I have a question that maybe you can help me solve.

Regarding overall building quality ... What price range would correspond to a Vax 700 guitar as if it were a normal guitar?
(I mean, the price could have had sold new as a standard electric guitar)
 Of course, we must take into consideration the price of the magnetic pickups, so if we assume that it had a couple of Seymour Duncan humbuckers –something like the SD Hot Rodded set: SH-2N + SH-4 JB
–, How much do you think that would cost this –made in japan– guitar sold new? (and not necessarily under the L6 brand)
 


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#65 Mr_Arkadin

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 08:01 AM

That's a really neat job Ed.


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#66 Ed_Saxman

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 08:13 AM

I´ve found the photos here: http://www.voxhumana...t-extra-pickups

 

It´s made by a dutch luthier.

 

As I said earlier in this thread, I really like the shape and color (among other things) of my variax 700 amber, so I'm seriously considering putting on humbuckers (take a look at post #40 ), but that would be the day that the electronics stop working, for use as a standard electric guitar. For this reason I have asked that question to you (mentioned in my previous post)


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#67 hurghanico

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 04:05 PM

... What price range would correspond to a Vax 700 guitar as if it were a normal guitar?...

 

I'm just speculating below here ;)

 

if you think that a 500 has the same electronics (modeling engine) of a 700 I suppose that the digital part could probably cost at least half the 500 value B)

 

subtracting the above digital engine supposed cost from a new 700 price that should give very aproximately 1000 euros for the nude japan made guitar


IMO if you invest in adding some good pickups you should obtain a good standard guitar

but in any case if the electronics fails some day I think that you'll find easily some replacement parts


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Posted 22 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

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but in any case if the electronics fails some day I think that you'll find easily some replacement parts

 Not necessarily. The only easily available replacement parts are the external parts - knobs, switches, jacks, piezos etc and whatever plug-in chips/boards are associated with them. If the internal electronic chips/boards fail (e.g. the motherboard) the only way to get them is to buy another Variax 700 and cannibalize it (or buy the parts from someone else who has done this). Line 6 does not sell internal electronics for the Variaxes.


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#69 hurghanico

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 01:33 AM

... The only easily available replacement parts are the external parts - knobs, switches, jacks, piezos etc and whatever plug-in chips/boards are associated with them...

 

there could be available also some motherboards coming from old transplants where the owners swapped the old internal system for the new


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#70 silverhead

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:21 AM

Agreed. The point is that you can't buy motherboards directly as replacement parts from Line 6. They are only available by cannibalizing from an actual Variax guitar, whether you do it yourself or buy the parts from someone who has done it.


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#71 toasterdude

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:31 AM

But can I but the pots and wire harness from Line 6 or a service center?


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:36 AM

But can I but the pots and wire harness from Line 6 or a service center?

I don't know. In the past I have purchased things like knobs (not pots), VDI/14" jack assembly, pickup selector switch assembly, pickguard, and piezos. I would suggest you call Line 6 and ask them to point you to your nearest parts supplier.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 05:57 AM

But, you can always replace the individual chips and other components on the board, can't you?
or is there any single component on the variaxes that is exclusive to L6?


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 06:17 AM

These products are fully embedded proprietary systems. The internal components are not swappable/replaceable like your average computer; you can't expect to replace the processor chip with a faster or more powerful chip that you might buy off-the-shelf at your local computer store. I don't expect you would end up with a working Variax if you replaced anything on the motherboard.


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#75 Inerzia

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:14 AM

I know that, Silverhead, and I don't mean that, I mean actually soldering things to the board, getting your hands dirty, assuming you have the knowledge.
There was a time when people used to repair electronic stuff, instead of throwing it away when it broke.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:27 AM

I imagine there's alot that you could fix on the board.... although some things like the processor itself would require a machine to replace.

but your common resisters, capacitors, and diodes etc... should be doable.

there are lots of 3rd party vendors who do this exact thing with motherboards out of apple laptops...

which of course have the processor machined onto the board.. as well as other proprietary chips... 


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#77 BucF16

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:15 AM

I actually liked the look of my 700.  I had no shortage of people asking me about my guitar between sets.  It was a beautiful gold color with great grain and the lack of pickups made for a cool, clean modern look IMO.

 

HOWEVER, the JTV destroys it in everything that really matters.

 

JTV modelling is WAY better, especially with the removal of what came to be the ice-pick-to-the-eardrum ping on the old VX.  Not very noticeable at first but if you played the guitar a lot (like I did) it came to be that little thing that drove me crazy.

 

Intonation on the 700 was awful at first, But I was finally able to fix it by gently filing the nut, and then I replaced the nut altogether with a graphtech nut.  It was a good girl after that.

 

The trem on the JTV will also keep playing way deeper into a dive than the 700.  Getting a 700 with a tremelo bar was really a waste.  You could add tremelo with the thing but you certainly couldn't go deeper than a whole step down without the sound disappearing totally.  I haven't measured it on my JTV but its vastly improved.

 

Right now my only complaint on the JTV is how incredibly heavy it is.


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#78 lasvideo

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:54 AM

 

"Right now my only complaint on the JTV is how incredibly heavy it is."

 

 

What great motivation to start lifting weights at the gym  :D


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#79 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:59 PM

Heavy guitars usually sound great.   My 69S isn't any heavier than my Strat though.


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:58 AM

Heavy guitars usually sound great.   My 69S isn't any heavier than my Strat though.

Strange my 69s is way heavier than the strato !!!


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