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I used my new G10 live for the first time at church. Here is a summary:

 

   8 other wireless systems running

   2 wifi routers running

   G10 base on the carpeted floor (little/no vibrations), running into Helix

   I made sure all other wireless systems and routers were up and running before I docked the G10 to ensure it found a good frequency. 

 

Worked flawlessly. Zero dropouts. Zero latency within 50 feet of the unit, including being back stage out of line of sight. When I got beyond 50 feet, there was latency. I went out to 150 feet (line of sight) before it dropped out. Latency was pretty severe at that distance before dropout. 

 

I mentioned that the base is on the carpeted floor for a reason. I don't think the mini USB power input lends itself well to being placed on top of a guitar amp, especially bass amp because of the vibrations. I also mentioned that i docked the G10 after all other wireless systems are up so it can find an unused frequency. If we had other G10s being used, I would make sure that we dock them one at a time to ensure proper frequency allocation. 

 

I can go just about anywhere in my house with zero latency and zero dropout. Now I can follow wifey around to serenade her. 

 

Simple and sounds great. Love it. 

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I play in a church and I am seriously considering the G10. We have tons of wireless systems as well and I'm afraid that it will have connectivity issues. Do you think I should just go for it? Disconnecting during a live session is like the worst thing that can happen.

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I play in a church and I am seriously considering the G10. We have tons of wireless systems as well and I'm afraid that it will have connectivity issues. Do you think I should just go for it? Disconnecting during a live session is like the worst thing that can happen.

I just went for it. I had a cable laying there just in case. It would only take about 5 seconds to connect a cable from guitar to Helix if necessary. 

 

The most important thing to do is to ensure that all the other wireless devices are up and running before you power up/dock the transmitter so that the G10 gets them all in its scan before it assigns its own frequency. When you dock the transmitter, it scans all signals in the frequency range and automatically assigns a free frequency. If you play the thing at home and don't re-dock it at church, it will still have the same frequency it that it had at home. That's where you run into issues. 

 

If you buy it from Sweetwater (no tax, free shipping) you can always return it at no cost if it doesn't work out for you. 

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The G10 has been a blast! Have had mine since late July. Once the firmware was updated to 1.04, all the issues with the G10 Transmitter's charging issues were resolved. Line 6 did replace my base unit as the USB port broke on two units. The latest one has not failed.

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The most important thing to do is to ensure that all the other wireless devices are up and running before you power up/dock the transmitter so that the G10 gets them all in its scan before it assigns its own frequency. When you dock the transmitter, it scans all signals in the frequency range and automatically assigns a free frequency. If you play the thing at home and don't re-dock it at church, it will still have the same frequency it that it had at home. That's where you run into issues. 

 

 

Well said. 

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Every one of the numerous G10 Receiver Base Charger units I have seen, used or held in my hand have the same issue with the USB jack mounted in the base receiver housing. None of these were sufficiently recessed to allow the shoulder of the micro USB cord's plug to rest flush against the housing of the base receiver. When he cord was inserted as far as it could go, at least a millimeter or two of the silver micro usb plug remained visible outside of the jack. The first two units I received also suffered from the USB jack flexing vertically internally. These quickly failed, as did most of the others of friends, etc. The jacks of the replacement units I received are more secured regarding the flexing, yet still are not sufficiently recessed to allow the plug to be inserted fully flush against the housing!

 

Compared to the majority of other micro USB devices (smartphones, tablets, rechargeable battery packs, lights, etc.) this is an immediately noticable difference. Almost all of these other devices allow the cord to insert flush to the casing, which also reduces the opportunity for vertical flexing.

 

At NAMM, I saw many more G10 units and they still had the same issue.

 

Also at NAMM, I closely examined several of the Xvive wireless transmitter and receiver units. Every one of those units also shared the identical non-flush insertion problem. The principal difference, however, it that the Xvive units only need their micro USB jacks connected during charging. During use, both the Transmitter and Receiver units are battery powered.

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That makes sense. So when you are pushing the cable in, the cable bottoms out on the metal USB receptacle, and not the housing. This causes stress at the solder points on the USB receptacle/circuit board causing the solder points to fail. 

 

On my unit, the receptacle does not stick out past the plastic housing of the base unit. 

 

That makes me wonder that if you took the housing off the base, if you could loosen the circuit board mounting screws and scoot the board back a little so that the USB receptacle does not stick out too far. I have never taken the base apart though. 

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<Snip>That makes me wonder that if you took the housing off the base, if you could loosen the circuit board mounting screws and scoot the board back a little so that the USB receptacle does not stick out too far. I have never taken the base apart though.

Only when Line 6 were to decline repairing the jack at no charge (even if after the Warranty) would I fuss with opening the unit. I do have the technical skills to do so and make the repair or modification, but I have far too many other things drawing my attention than fussing with such a modification. I hope I don't have to deal with it. If it fails again (already happened on 2 units), it will go back to Line 6.

 

I've never had a micro usb jack fail on any other device!

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None of these were sufficiently recessed to allow the shoulder of the micro USB cord's plug to rest flush against the housing of the base receiver. When he cord was inserted as far as it could go, at least a millimeter or two of the silver micro usb plug remained visible outside of the jack.

Maybe just a dumb idea, but what about coating the plug with some tape to get in contact and lean against the housing for safety reasons?

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Sure! Tape, Putty, a right angle micro usb plug dongle with rubberbands, or one of the magnetic insert micro USB connectors (as well as a variety of other methods) could be used successfully to add to what's already there.

 

For me, I'm just far more careful when plugging and unplugging it. If it fails again, back it will go to Line 6.

 

Once you're used finely engineered components with well fitting tolerances, everything else pales by comparison. If you've ever used a RavPower rechargeable battery pack, or nearly any leading tablet or smatphone with a micro usb jack, they all have design and manufacturing tolerances such that the cord fits snugly and flush to the unit. There is no play. No wobble. No gap. No flex. Unfortuantely, this is not what we find on the Line 6 nor Xvive USB jacks.

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