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#21 Stratman82

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 11:04 AM

sorry to hear you are going to sell the DT, I love mine for what it does best, single amp patches at volume.  Unfortunately, there is NO good low power tube solution.  I do not believe you will ever be satisfied with a tube amp for home use at low volume settings.  I suggest you consider a decent stereo SS power amp and a 2X12 cab with a stereo option.  This will allow you to make full use of the POD's capabilities as a guitar solution including creating dual amp patches, using the stereo effects and you won't have to play around with the 4 cable method.  You can make all your patches with full amp models and the patches you create for headphones and monitor will require only minor EQ adjustments with this setup even when you get to play live.  A nice 100x100 watt stereo amp and cab will set you back not much more than a low watt tube amp and give you more capabilities for the style of play you describe and the volume levels you wish to use than a tube amp.  You do not gain anything special with a tube amp other than a DT model when using the POD.  In fact, other than for the specific tones that particular amp gives when cranked, I think you would be taking a step backwards. :D


Thanks for this, all interesting and relevant. I really love the podHD..was playing with a strat through my SRV patch today and the thing is just incredible..to the point where I agree a tube amp in some regards is not actually necessary. I may well expand my gear in the future with a SS preamp rig as you suggest.

However I don't agree with all of the above as I've already found an ideal low-"er" wattage real tube solution in the OR15H I purchased earlier this week. This thing is the dogs balls! Even in half power (7 watt) mode I do need my THD hotplate for around 8-12db volume attenuation in my flat but tone is well preserved. Single channel non-master volume all tube amp with simple 3 band EQ and no infernal tweaking required!! Plug and play. Using a sweep of either the volume knob on my guitar or the amps gain knob I'm not exaggerating when I say I can go from shimmery cleans to classic rock to Slash-esquel hard rock to heavier 80s Metallica without any special tweaks...all within the remit of a single channel. For me, usability, tone and feel are all superior to my DT25 which I've kept for honest comparison in the short term.

I've even set up a hybrid solution for playing the OR15H through headphones if I need to: amp - hotplate line out - podHD aux in through podHD Flip Top pre (very flat response) with v30 4x12 cab sim. Sounds very like the amp through a speaker. Probably a bit OTT with this method but shows what's possible.

As much as I love Line 6 for their modelling..... I'm glad to be rid of all the glitchyness, fuss and multiple patch requirements with a DT involved. Maybe if all I did was play at volume on stage but even so I genuinely prefer the Orange tones to all my best patches, as great as they are.
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:30 PM

Hey Tinman

 

I can definitely share some of your frustration.

 

My HD500 currently has two setlists - one for full models forfull range speakers / monitors, and one with pre models for my DT25 in full volume mode.

 

The tweaks between the two aren't huge - mainly just pre / full model selection then balancing the volumes.

 

It would be great if I could have one setlist then push a button somewhere an magically have the same patches work on both the monitors and the DT25.

 

As it is, there's a few minutes work involved - but I find that the sound / feel of playing through the Dt25 in full power mode, even right at the bottom end of the master volume range in a home setting, makes a huge difference. 

 

I've currently got no intention of setting up a third set for LVM on the DT25 - but who knows, one day I might go there.

 

Before I had the DT25, I was pretty happy with the POD through my studio monitors at home, and straight to PA at the few gigs I do.

 

However, one gig when the stage monitors failed mid set and having to monitor from the sound reflected back from the FOH speakers was enough to send me to the amp shop!

 

I agree with radatats - even a 5 watt Epi valve junior is too much to use in a domestic situation and get the valves contributing significantly to the tone.  However, the tweaking needed to keep a low volume preset list, and a higher volume DT25 list is a price I'm more than happy to pay for the grin factor I get when hearing the DT25 working at gig volume as it was intended!

 

There's no right answer here - follow your ears, but don't give up just because it's slightly more complex than you expected it to be.

 

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:47 PM

I've had it 2 years. The bottom line... I've personally recently played through two valve amps in the same ballpark price wise that sound and feel better than the DT25, including my new OR15H. IMHO the DT25 is simply not the best tube amp in its class/ price range. Perhaps one of the most versatile, but not without a lot of hard work and frustration. I'm not trolling or having a go at Line 6, but how many top guitarists use line 6 amps? Agreed many use their digital gear.

But it obviously works well for you, so that's great!
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:10 PM

I've had it 2 years. The bottom line... I've personally recently played through two valve amps in the same ballpark price wise that sound and feel better than the DT25, including my new OR15H. IMHO the DT25 is simply not the best tube amp in its class. I'm not trolling or having a go at Line 6, but how many top guitarists use a DT amp? But it obviously works well for you, so that's great!


Apples and Oranges. The DT amps are multiple tube amps. The OR15H is a specific tube amp. I don't think you can say one is overall better. They're better at different things.

Unfortunately, you've now convinced me I need a hotplate for my DT25 as I hate the sound in low power mode. *sigh*
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:15 PM

Apples and Oranges. The DT amps are multiple tube amps. The OR15H is a specific tube amp. I don't think you can say one is overall better. They're better at different things.

Agreed. Nice pun!

I'm just favouring the amp that a) sounds best within the remit of what I'm looking for (all my pod patches are geared towards the range of tones that come naturally to the OR and b )is as simple to use as possibles to facilitate guitar playing.
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:18 PM

Think we've hijacked this thread so I won't post hear again, sorry.
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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:22 PM

Like I said, follow your ears.

 

I've not tried other tube amps since dropping cash on the DT25.

 

In my covers band, being able to push one switch and completely change the characteristics of the power amp section to match the preamp in the POD, and just run one cable is enough to win me over.

 

Could be worse - apples and zebras?

 

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:28 PM

oehman

 

sorry - didn't realise we'd jumped on your thread.

 

You've got the right models for the comparison though...

 

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 02:51 AM

I don't have a DT amp yet. I am a veteran HD500 user, looking at the DT.

Do you all agree these are the amp models in the DT?

Fender Twin
Park 75
Vox AC30
Mesa Double Rectifier

On my HD, I don't particularly like those, except sometimes the AC30 for jazz.
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Posted 21 October 2013 - 04:25 AM

if you plan to use it with your 500... none of that matters... you can also change them via midi.

 

and to further pile on the info....

the default amps are different in a DT50 vs DT25


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 03:51 AM

Hi all...
So Zap; I just started a similar topic.
So based on what you're saying about the 50 and 25 having different models - what settings would I use in my 25 to get the channel IV model of the 50.

Cheers.
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Posted 16 November 2013 - 05:28 AM

I believe only the topology 1 is different, but not positive.

 

DT-50 Stand Alone Amp Model:

Topology and HD Preamp:

·         I: Fender Blackface Deluxe

·         II: Brit P-75

·         III: Vox AC30

·         IV: Treadplate with voicing IV on amp

 

DT-25 Stand Alone Models:

Topology and HD Preamp:

·         I: Fender BF DBL Vib

·         II: Brit P-75

·         III: Vox AC30

·         IV: Treadplate with voicing IV on amp


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:30 AM

Hey. Mate....
Thanks for the feedback.
I've done a little research, using, um, a thing called Google and also the Line 6 site to see the difference between the 25 and 50. Extra valves etc, but also different valves in the power amp section.


25 - (1) 12AX7, (2) EL84 tubes

Vs

50 - (2) 12AX7 preamp, (2) EL34 power amp (25W/50W)

I've got a great 2x12 Marshall cab that goes with the 25 perfectly. But I figure the 50 through my H&K V30cabs would be awesome....
Let's see.....

Thanks.
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:57 AM

your info is on the right track... i would just mention that the 12ax7's are NOT preamp tubes... preamps are entirely modeled!

 

both DT amps have a 12ax7 as an inverter, and the additional 12ax7 in the 50 is a boost. the boost is solid state in the 25.

 

Hey. Mate....
Thanks for the feedback.
I've done a little research, using, um, a thing called Google and also the Line 6 site to see the difference between the 25 and 50. Extra valves etc, but also different valves in the power amp section.


25 - (1) 12AX7, (2) EL84 tubes

Vs

50 - (2) 12AX7 preamp, (2) EL34 power amp (25W/50W)

I've got a great 2x12 Marshall cab that goes with the 25 perfectly. But I figure the 50 through my H&K V30cabs would be awesome....
Let's see.....

Thanks.


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