Thanks psarkissian for the advice.No problem at all
On To My 4th Jtv No Luck So Far - Distortiondistortion alt tunings
Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:52 AM
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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:39 AM
In my experience, the proper technique to get the "thwack" sound is not while strumming.
I can't get it by strumming chords.
You have to do one string at a time and pick really hard...harder than you normally would.
Make sure you are in an alt tuning as standard doesn't produce the sound.
Posted 23 September 2013 - 11:36 AM
True,... with the more resonant Models and Alt Tunings,... good technique and good execution is part of it.
Nice thing about some of these Models is that they don't let me getaway with anything. Especially with these
delay and reverb patches on the X3 Live at my bench. It forces me to not be sloppy with my technique and execution,
or I'll hear it in a big way.
Posted 23 September 2013 - 04:04 PM
As far as playing too hard is concerned, SRV's playing style would make me look like a limp wristed pansy, as would many other guitarists. Bad technique?
Works fine in standard tunings so unfortunately it's not a problem of poor technique. Why is the output from the modelled instruments higher in Alt tunings than in standard tunings? It seems to be this extra level causing some kind of digital clipping. This problem has occurred in several instruments and was eminently repeatable and demonstrable in all of them. Three of these were from the Australian distributor so I had my friend get one out of storage in LA to see if he could reproduce the problem and he could. That makes it unlikely to be a "bad batch" sent to Australia (talking guitars here, not convicts! Having said all that, I am very gratified with the way the local distributor has tried to help out and encouraged that the person handling my support ticket is investigating! I REALLY want this to work!!
Posted 25 September 2013 - 12:11 PM
Never mind...I reverted back to 1.9 and the thwack sounds are still there.
I have discovered that I can get the same weird sounds on any model that is in an alt tuning, not just the acoustic.
And only on the A and G strings.
Like I said before, I have to drasticly alter my playing style get get it to "thwack", so I don't think this is really a problem for me.
But having said that, I wouldn't think this is how it should work.
Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:40 PM
Posted 30 September 2013 - 08:21 AM
Things to consider with fret buzz---
Set-up,... neck relief and string action are things that relate to fret buzz.
Need a guitar tech for that.
Also,... have him check the nut slots at the headstock, and make sure the slots have
been de-burred, a burr in a slot will give the same sound like fret buzz. I see that all too often,
and mistaken for fret buzz.
Have the guitar tech check the retainer nuts on the tuning machines, that they're properly snug.
Don't do this yourself, have a tech do it, over torquing is bad. As well as all the mechanicals from
tail piece to tuning machines.
Posted 30 September 2013 - 09:14 AM
Just another thought to the arsenal of input already stated , but maybe your lower strings are a little too low and as a result you are getting some fret noise?
Don't forget this important detail...it only occurs when switched to an alt tuning.
Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:39 AM
Are these older patches saved from v1.71 to v1.90 from Workbench?
There may be a patch format compatibility glitch. I'm told that a patch or two
might have distortion from that. Haven't had one come across my bench yet.
If it's Howling and whistling, the JTV probably needs it's intonation dialed in closer.
If it's a warbling sort of buzz, the magnetic pick-up height may need adjusting.
The Magnetic field can pull on the string causing buzz and warbly distortions.
Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:34 AM
I got my JT 69-S from Sweetwater with the HD upgrade installed, so no older patches involved.
Its a distortion that only presents itself when an alternate tuning is used.
That means it plays fine with no howling, whistling, warbling, buzz or distortion until the alt tuning is chosen.
Then it is only present when a string is picked with force.
Please listen to the audio example in post #5.
Posted 30 September 2013 - 12:49 PM
Posted 03 October 2013 - 11:16 AM
I AM a guitar tech (I used to build and repair guitars years ago) so I'm reasonably competent with setting up a guitar for standard D'Addario EXL 140 10-52 gauge strings which I've been using for decades (along with thousands of other guitarists)
I figured, you sound like you know guitars,... I too have built and repaired many a guitar in the last (almost) four decades. The one thing I've found servicing and playing JTV's is that,.... these aren't our father's Gibson Arch-top Electric Guitars anymore (I know, I own Gibson Archtop and three JTV's). It's not the kitty-cat, it's a Tiger,... so it has to be stroked and cuddled a little differently than the usual cat.
Maybe thousands of other guitarist use what they use,... you own a JTV, you've stepped up into another class of guitar and guitar playing. Even with my decades of experience working on and playing guitars,... even for me there was a slight learning curve, but only a slight curve. I've learned how to cuddle under the chin of this Tiger.
Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:04 PM
Thanks for that insight Geech. Thankfully Line 6 are being good enough to indulge me by taking this investigation seriously. Pilot error is of course the first thing I suspected however, after having half a dozen other pro guitarists check it out, all of whom were able to get the guitar to distort in the same way using alt tunings without any effort, there is a half decent chance it's not just me.
Posted 16 December 2014 - 10:40 AM
I know that this thread is now over a year old, but I have just experienced this exact same problem with Workbench and my Variax 700. I was simply trying to create a new version of one of the Lester models in a drop-D tuning. At first, when I changed the tuning on the low E string to D, I couldn't hear any result. Ah, I realized -- you have to click the Enable button above the tuning chart. That changed the pitch of the low E, but it also introduced a VERY noticeable distortion into the A-string. Only the A string, and only when I hit it a little harder than usual with the pick.
Note that this distortion only occurs when the "Enable" button is lit up -- if I click again to disable the alternate tuning feature, the A-string distortion goes away, regardless of how hard I hit the string with my pick. The distortion is clearly tied to the "Enable Alternate Tunings" feature.
Has anyone figured out how to solve this problem??
Posted 16 December 2014 - 11:13 AM
I know that this thread is now over a year old, but I have just experienced this exact same problem with Workbench and my Variax 700. ... Has anyone figured out how to solve this problem??
Might post your question on the Variax 300/500/700 board here: