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Best Answer Brazzy , 30 September 2013 - 05:46 PM

The Line 6 FAQ on Headphones has this...

 

Q: What is the recommended headphone ohm rating for use with Line 6 products?
A: For devices with a 1/4" output, we recommend headphones rated between 150-600 ohm (pro or semi-pro level) studio headphones for best results. For those with an 1/8" output, headphones designed for MP3 player usage are usually a good match. Results may vary between headphone models and manufacturers.
 

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#1 Brazzy

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 06:11 AM

Which Headphones does Line 6 recommend with the HD Series? I read somewhere they should be 250 Ohm impedance. Is this right? Do headphones sound different than the recording? Can the same phones be used on the X3 Pro?


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 06:52 AM

In the past, the official "line" has been that they do not support headphones with less than 200 ohms.

Many people use lower impedance phones, but they will be loud, and don't ask for help if you have any problems.

I use a Beyerdynamic DT770 250 ohm pair. I like them, but some argue their accuracy. I'm a little disappointed in their durability, given the $200 price tag, since the cable connection at the phones has broken after about 2 years. (Duct tape to the rescue.) I've used lots of other phones though and haven't broken my HD400 with them, FWIW.
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Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:14 AM

In the past, the official "line" has been that they do not support headphones with less than 200 ohms.

Many people use lower impedance phones, but they will be loud, and don't ask for help if you have any problems.

I use a Beyerdynamic DT770 250 ohm pair. I like them, but some argue their accuracy. I'm a little disappointed in their durability, given the $200 price tag, since the cable connection at the phones has broken after about 2 years. (Duct tape to the rescue.) I've used lots of other phones though and haven't broken my HD400 with them, FWIW.

Thank You, that sounds like a good recommendation. I've been doing a lot of searching for headphones in the higher impedance ranges. The Original Bose AE's just seem too light duty for the signal their getting. They work great with the Spider Jam alone and iPods, iPads and iPhones.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:30 AM

Wow! I'm way off! Mine are only 63 ohms!!!!


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:57 AM

Wow! I'm way off! Mine are only 63 ohms!!!!

My ears are still pretty good, but may be a little off after years and constant exposure to loud unmusical environments such as "Machine Shops", "Auto Shops", and  "Motorcycle Shops". That's not to mention all the "high power rifles and revolvers", "chain saws", and "lawnmowers and weedwackers" I've used, LOL. That's just what comes to mind at this moment.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 08:01 AM

Don't be overly concerned about impedance ratings for casual listening. Trust your ears. I've used both low and high impedance headphones with my Pod HD devices. There is definitely an improvement in sound quality with the higher impedance headphones. Is it worth the extra cost? That's a personal decision - to me it was, but having said that my low impedance phones served me well for a long time with my X3. But the improved sound quality of the HD exposed a big difference between the sound quality of my monitors and that of my headphones. So I upgraded.

 

Another factor to consider is whether you use headphones to develop your tones/presets. The higher quality headphones you use, the less tweaking will be required to get good gig-level tones.

 

YMMV.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 08:22 AM

Don't be overly concerned about impedance ratings for casual listening. Trust your ears. I've used both low and high impedance headphones with my Pod HD devices. There is definitely an improvement in sound quality with the higher impedance headphones. Is it worth the extra cost? That's a personal decision - to me it was, but having said that my low impedance phones served me well for a long time with my X3. But the improved sound quality of the HD exposed a big difference between the sound quality of my monitors and that of my headphones. So I upgraded.

 

I won't be overly concerned as I'm trying to have fun with this stuff, and I surely am having fun learning how to play guitar and use sound equipment. As I am a mechanic/machinist I have learned to trust my ears and feel for vibration, as these are most of the time enemy number 1, LOL. I think it's going be worth the extra cost to look into and get higher impedance phones. I see there are some very high (like 400- 600 Ohm) ear phones out there, but am wondering if over 250 ohm is too high and might require an amplifier with this equipment.

 

Another factor to consider is whether you use headphones to develop your tones/presets. The higher quality headphones you use, the less tweaking will be required to get good gig-level tones.

 

Sounds like another piece of good advice.

 

YMMV.

 

 


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:38 AM

for quite some time I used an old AKG K141 monitor 600 ohms impedance, but after years of use the earpads have been a lot worn out and there is a buzz in one of the channels ..
shame because I really liked its sound a lot ..
so I started looking for detailed information and opinions on various other headphones and given the good past experience with AKG I bought an AKG K 271 MKII 55 ohms which should give an hi fidelty
very flat frequency response, I tried it with the HD500 and I did not like it at all, nothing to do with my previous old headset .. then I gave it back and I bought an AKG K240 MK2 55 ohms, which is much more similar sonically to my old headset with the difference that given the low impedance has more volume, I'm still using it, but I still have a slight preference for the old AKG K141 ..

at the end for me:
1) if the headset is good, the impedance does not have so much importance, if it is low,
just use the appropriate output volume
2) POD is not a hi-fi, and perhaps it's more important that I like the sound of the headset coupled with the device rather than having a painstaking fidelity to each possible frequency
3) listening through headphones even with the best headphones in the world will never be completely identical to the live sound, so if I have to play through headphones, it is better that at least I like its sound


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:20 PM

i tested a number of different headphones:

Grado SR80 - 32 ohms

Sennheiser 280HD Pro - 64 ohms

Beyerdynamic DT880 - 600 ohms

Sennheiser - 600HD - 300 ohms

 

I've had the Grado and the Senn 280HD way before i got the POD HD desktop. bought the Beyer, and the Senn 600 just to see if there was an improvement in sound quality with the increased ohms.

I couldn't distinguish any sound quality improvement, other than the inherent improvement with more expensive equipment.

the DT880, and 600HD did require more volume output from the POD.

In the end, i returned the 2 and stuck with the Grado.

Probably going to sell the 280HD. Just because i find the Grado has a better sound quality.

 

Hope this helps


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:39 PM

...i find the Grado has a better sound quality...

 

the Grado cans were among those that I was very tempted to buy
indeed it is likely that I will buy one, they don't cost that much and have a great reputation


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 06:09 AM

for quite some time I used an old AKG K141 monitor 600 ohms impedance, but after years of use the earpads have been a lot worn out and there is a buzz in one of the channels ..
shame because I really liked its sound a lot ..
so I started looking for detailed information and opinions on various other headphones and given the good past experience with AKG I bought an AKG K 271 MKII 55 ohms which should give an hi fidelty
very flat frequency response, I tried it with the HD500 and I did not like it at all, nothing to do with my previous old headset .. then I gave it back and I bought an AKG K240 MK2 55 ohms, which is much more similar sonically to my old headset with the difference that given the low impedance has more volume, I'm still using it, but I still have a slight preference for the old AKG K141 ..

at the end for me:
1) if the headset is good, the impedance does not have so much importance, if it is low,
just use the appropriate output volume
2) POD is not a hi-fi, and perhaps it's more important that I like the sound of the headset coupled with the device rather than having a painstaking fidelity to each possible frequency
3) listening through headphones even with the best headphones in the world will never be completely identical to the live sound, so if I have to play through headphones, it is better that at least I like its sound

 

i tested a number of different headphones:

Grado SR80 - 32 ohms

Sennheiser 280HD Pro - 64 ohms

Beyerdynamic DT880 - 600 ohms

Sennheiser - 600HD - 300 ohms

 

I've had the Grado and the Senn 280HD way before i got the POD HD desktop. bought the Beyer, and the Senn 600 just to see if there was an improvement in sound quality with the increased ohms.

I couldn't distinguish any sound quality improvement, other than the inherent improvement with more expensive equipment.

the DT880, and 600HD did require more volume output from the POD.

In the end, i returned the 2 and stuck with the Grado.

Probably going to sell the 280HD. Just because i find the Grado has a better sound quality.

 

Hope this helps

 

Thanks for all that input, much appreciated. I think I have really good idea of what to expect when I finally pick out headphones.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:38 PM

The Line 6 FAQ on Headphones has this...

 

Q: What is the recommended headphone ohm rating for use with Line 6 products?
A: For devices with a 1/4" output, we recommend headphones rated between 150-600 ohm (pro or semi-pro level) studio headphones for best results. For those with an 1/8" output, headphones designed for MP3 player usage are usually a good match. Results may vary between headphone models and manufacturers.
 


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:46 PM   Best Answer

The Line 6 FAQ on Headphones has this...

 

Q: What is the recommended headphone ohm rating for use with Line 6 products?
A: For devices with a 1/4" output, we recommend headphones rated between 150-600 ohm (pro or semi-pro level) studio headphones for best results. For those with an 1/8" output, headphones designed for MP3 player usage are usually a good match. Results may vary between headphone models and manufacturers.
 

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:03 PM

Actually the answer is conflicting. Low ohm phones can be driven easily by a portable device. Higher need more power to get volume.

 

These are good tracking headphones.

They are isolated and come in handy both for live use and monitoring a mic'd source.

essential for recording musician.

These are affordable but not the most accurate and are only 33ohms so they are loud.

http://www.ebay.com....23a6fbc8&_uhb=1

There is a cheaper version

 

For mixing, if money is no option get the best you can afford that aligns with the recommended specs.

Pushing above their weight are the Audio Technica  Professional H'Phones

http://reviews.cnet....7-33899646.html

 

There are better; but,  ideally you use studio monitors and use headphones for close listening to reverb and FX tales in a mix.

What you want in Headphones is the same in Studio monitors. You want a flat a response as possible across the audio spectrum so you can hear what is going on. You don't want headphones designed to make your music sound better with hyped bass etc on most consumer phones and speakers.

 

As already mentioned with pro headphones what you get on the HD using them to make patches will go a long way to having a tone that relates in a live PA situation with a little adjustment to suit. 

Thru an Amp it wont translate as well and it is best to get that tone matched with the Amp rather than phones.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:38 PM

Actually the answer is conflicting. Low ohm phones can be driven easily by a portable device. Higher need more power to get volume.

 

 

Thanks for your input also. I've been looking at headphones around the 300 ohm or higher range and would like to use them to make patches. Not in a hurry so I have a lot of time to search.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 04:55 AM

I have a recommendation if I may,, I use to use head phones for editing.. Tried every single high end studio head phone Up to a set of Sony that cost me 400 bucks. I never was satisfied with how different the sound would be from editing on head phones and then running the patch live.. On the headphones it would sound great. But live through the PA system sounded like garbage.. Musician friend had the 4 channel SONIC PA system with the 10” speaker cabs on sale for 399… so I jumped on it..  I’ll never go back to headphones for editing… WAY Better.. The only time I’ll use headphones now is if I just have to be dead quiet..


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 05:06 AM

I have a recommendation if I may,, I use to use head phones for editing.. Tried every single high end studio head phone Up to a set of Sony that cost me 400 bucks. I never was satisfied with how different the sound would be from editing on head phones and then running the patch live.. On the headphones it would sound great. But live through the PA system sounded like garbage.. Musician friend had the 4 channel SONIC PA system with the 10” speaker cabs on sale for 399… so I jumped on it..  I’ll never go back to headphones for editing… WAY Better.. The only time I’ll use headphones now is if I just have to be dead quiet..

 

Thanks for sharing your experience on this. This is what I was hitting on, trying to get the headphones to match as closely to the live sound, which I know is not going to happen now. I'm gathering I can only get close with headphones. I keep hearing that good monitoring speakers are the best way to build patches that are going to be used live. I still need headphones to keep quiet while practicing.


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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:40 AM

I absolutely love the Shure SRH440 cans.  They have great response and isolation, replaceable pads, 3M detachable cord, 1/4 adapter, carry bag and fold up for travel or storage.  Live patches may need a little eq adjustment but that will always be the case unless you can build the patch with your live gear at live volumes. About $100 everywhere...

 

As for the impedance, they are 32 ohms which doesn't seem to match up with the FAQ.  Makes me wonder but I think if it was a serious issue Line 6 would have made the requirement a little clearer than a one liner in the FAQ...


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 01:59 AM

I use Beyerdynamic DT880 250ohm version. Excellent cans, very comfortable for long sessions and I'd thoroughly recommend them. Quite neutral. Semi-open back design.

 

I've got a set of Beyerdynamic DT770s 32ohm as well which I use for listening to music . Bass response much stronger but they are far less neutral and probably not so good for guitar monitoring. Closed back and tighter fit which also improves sound isolation but probably not as comfortable for prolonged use.


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 08:49 AM

UPDATE: I went with Beyerdynamic DT990 (600 Ohm) and after playing with them for a short time I'm starting to like them. These are geared for the Lows and Highs and cuts the Mids a bit. They sound good to me and I'm happy so far. They work fine when using the HD500 as my sound card when listening to music and videos. They work great for some heavy metal chugging making riffs for those dirt bike vids. As far as the accuracy for montoring when developing patches for live use I still have to do more work. But when I record digitally the headphones sounds are very close to the end result. Just got a Schecter Omen 8 and been loving it. After playing it for while and then going right to a 6 string I feel like I'm playing a twig compared to the branch your holding when chording the Omen 8.


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