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How many roll back to a non HD version

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#61 TheRealZap

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:54 AM

although there are no difference in the actual acoustic models 1.9 vs 2.0

i do believe that the underlying HD engine was changed enough to make the models appear improved.

kind of like playing a cd through a cheap player, vs a high end player... (yes i can tell the difference)

 

You are correct that there should be no difference between the 1.9 and 2.0 acoustic models. 

Remember I am only stating my opinion based on my experience, and that I had problems with the upgrade process, therefore, there is no guarantee that what I originally heard was the correct models for either 1.9 or 2.0.  I am even unsure that my original 1.71 level was correct, because there were differences between the SEMI models on my 1.71 and the 1.9 I installed, and the SEMI models had not been updated between those releases.  This leads me to believe hat I have had slight faults with all of my JTV flash installs that have somehow affected how some models sound.  Either that or I have another fault in either my VDI cable or my HD500 that is causing models to sound different after each upgrade and between each time I go and experiment to listen to the sounds.

All I can report is that between 2 different upgrades to v2.0 that some models have sounded different each time, and that the rollback to v1.9 in between the two upgrades also had some models that sounded different to v2.0 but also to v1.71 which was not supposed to happen.  


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:19 AM

although there are no difference in the actual acoustic models 1.9 vs 2.0

i do believe that the underlying HD engine was changed enough to make the models appear improved.

kind of like playing a cd through a cheap player, vs a high end player... (yes i can tell the difference)

 

Thanks for that snippet of info!  That may well explain my experience regarding the acoustic models.  The sound difference on the SEMIs between 1.71 and 1.9 remains a mystery and may well be an install glitch that I was blissfully unaware of until now.  The difference in sound of the SEMI's between 1.9 and 2.0 is clearly intentional and is very obvious.  I do like the fact that you can hear more of the "wood body tone" coming through, but not so keen on the thinner quieter sound - although if I use Workbench HD, I may be able to tweak the volume and make them sound a little fuller. I will have to experiment.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:23 AM

the semi's are models of completely different guitars (depending on which one you are referring to...)

some of the new models are based on p90 guitars now...

also the tele 2/4 position should be radically different... based on a custom/deluxe/thinline type model with the fender wide range buckers... (pretty awesome IMO)

 

for 2.0 they didn't simply create HD models of the same guitars...

they made HD models. (of mostly same-ish guitars)

 

Thanks for that snippet of info!  That may well explain my experience regarding the acoustic models.  The sound difference on the SEMIs between 1.71 and 1.9 remains a mystery and may well be an install glitch that I was blissfully unaware of until now.  The difference in sound of the SEMI's between 1.9 and 2.0 is clearly intentional and is very obvious.  I do like the fact that you can hear more of the "wood body tone" coming through, but not so keen on the thinner quieter sound - although if I use Workbench HD, I may be able to tweak the volume and make them sound a little fuller. I will have to experiment.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:32 AM

the semi's are models of completely different guitars (depending on which one you are referring to...)

some of the new models are based on p90 guitars now...

also the tele 2/4 position should be radically different... based on a custom/deluxe/thinline type model with the fender wide range buckers... (pretty awesome IMO)

 

for 2.0 they didn't simply create HD models of the same guitars...

they made HD models. (of mostly same-ish guitars)

 

Again - thanks for clarifying.  That probably explains why the SEMI's all sound so different.  So maybe I won't be able to tweak them to what I am used to.  I used SEMI pos 1 and 3 mainly before.  So I will have to see whether I want to continue using them, or tweak them or use different guitar models on those songs.

Yep - I had noticed that the TELE, pos 2 and 4 had changed greatly as well, but as I had never used them before I had no reference to offer an opinion, on how they had changed. I was only voicing my opinion on the ones I Had used pre and post HD and how I thought they had changed to my ears.

 

Thanks again for the info - things make more sense when you know the full story and the background.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:34 AM

actually you can easily change out the pickups to humbuckers on the semi's, i rather like them with the LP pickups, i uploaded a few examples to the vguitar forums sharing area (pinned at top of jtv forum)


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:28 AM

the semi's are models of completely different guitars (depending on which one you are referring to...)

some of the new models are based on p90 guitars now...

also the tele 2/4 position should be radically different... based on a custom/deluxe/thinline type model with the fender wide range buckers... (pretty awesome IMO)

 

for 2.0 they didn't simply create HD models of the same guitars...

they made HD models. (of mostly same-ish guitars)

 

They really should update the based-on list. Update the manual as well.

 

They at least did the 335 right?


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 11:49 AM

someone did update the poster:

ozbadman i believe.

 

 

anyway this ought to clear up some confusion.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:33 PM

I can see what some people are whining about. I think the 175 sounds nowhere near as beefy and woody as the 1.9, but that might be the P90's.

Hopefully you can compensate loses in workbench.

 

I do think that if it sounds more realistic, then that's good then. Just stick to 1.9 if you really want those sounds. It's not like the features are way different.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:15 PM

someone did update the poster:
ozbadman i believe.
 
 
anyway this ought to clear up some confusion.


Thanks for posting ths. However, can you confirm the 335 is the same model in both v1.9 and v2.0 although they may have sampled different guitars for each? When I referred to SEMI models in my earlier post, I meant the bank labelled SEMI, which is the Gibson 335 and Epiphone Casino. The 335 is one of the models I used the most and sounds very different as I explained earlier. I don't use the JAZZBOX bank, so don't think I am affected by a swap from humbuckers to P90s eg. the Gibson 175. If the 335 in v2.0 is just a different sample with humbuckers then I am surprised they sound so different. It sounds like a totally different guitar to me.
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:20 PM

most likely a different guitar... because i believe that they rent them or borrow them to model... 

i'm certain that it is a whole new model created with a whole new process.. it does not surprise me that it would sound different...

one would hope better.. but we're talking subjectives here... between the models as is, and workbench HD... 

you have loads of tonal options.

i preferred my 335 with the LP pups personally...


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:40 AM

most likely a different guitar... because i believe that they rent them or borrow them to model... 

i'm certain that it is a whole new model created with a whole new process.. it does not surprise me that it would sound different...

one would hope better.. but we're talking subjectives here... between the models as is, and workbench HD... 

you have loads of tonal options.

i preferred my 335 with the LP pups personally...

 

I have yet to play with Workbench HD so maybe some custom made models are what I need, and maybe swapping to pick ups on the new 335 model will get me something I prefer.  As you say, it is just a new model to be used as supplied or customised or ignored as each user requires. 


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 04:45 PM

someone did update the poster:

ozbadman i believe.

 

 

anyway this ought to clear up some confusion.

 

Where do I find the poster for v1.9?


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 04:55 PM

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Where do I find the poster for v1.9?


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 04:58 PM

Thank you Zap!
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:05 AM

I have now played a few times at home with the v2.0 models on my JTV59 and I have sorted out the correct settings on my HD500 and got the correct connections to my powered speakers, and all is sounding good.  I think I will be keeping v2.0.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:06 AM

great! did you get a chance to try the LP pups in the 335?

 

I have now played a few times at home with the v2.0 models on my JTV59 and I have sorted out the correct settings on my HD500 and got the correct connections to my powered speakers, and all is sounding good.  I think I will be keeping v2.0.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:15 AM

great! did you get a chance to try the LP pups in the 335?

 

Yes - I have created some custom presets that have the LP pups on the SEMI body.  I also pulled down output vol to -2db as they are really loud.  They still sound very loud when played through my HD500 patches - so I may tweak them down some more.  I also prefer that combination but I need to tweak a little more to get them just right.  Thanks very much for the advice - good call!    :)


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:10 AM

I just got my 89 3 months ago right before the 2.0 update. I played with the 1.9 version for about a month and thought the 89 was fantastic sounding I was really impressed. I mean WOW! Then I installed 2.0 and have had issues with 2.0 since installing it and it reboots my HD500. I have tested my 89 on 4 different HD500's (per L6) and they all reboot with 2.0. I even sent in my 89 to L6 and they replaced the battery compartment and sent it back stating it was fixed and it wasn't. I am not saying that 2.0 is broken but I think there are issues. Yes I told L6 this as well.

 

 

Just my opinion... From a new users stand point, 1.9 has a lot of character and feels good. Like I am connected with the guitar. With 2.0 it sounds thin, very little character and feels like I am unconnected when I am playing. It feel like there is a little more latency in 2.0 that makes me feel like I am not connected with the guitar. Remember just my opinion.

 

I rolled back to version 1.9 about 3 weeks ago and I am back in love with my guitar again.

 

 

Thanks to L6 for providing other firmware options because you can always go back to an earlier version.

 

I have the same effect, 2.0 reboots the HD500 (1 time). It is a bug. The strat in 2,4 sounds thinner


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Posted 23 November 2013 - 04:19 PM

Well, I rolled back to 1.9 last night and spent a couple of hours playing today going through the models and my patches.  Felt a bit lifeless, so I reinstalled 2.0 to make a comparison and have decided I definitely prefer 2.0 so will be sticking with it.  I guess it's all down to personal taste in the end and what works for you.


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 03:57 PM

So far I'm planning to go back to 1.71. Somehow I'm not happy with the sounds. I feel I lost playability (much more difficult to play clean), the sounds are uneven and I find less distinction between the models. I don't care if it sounds original, I want to have a great sound and an easy playable guitar (I'm actually a keyboardplayer and guitar is my second instrument).

 

I have a JTV-59 and en POD HD500 Pro and previously owned a Variax 700.

 

Maybe I need to tweak the guitar in workbench and the POD HD500 Pro and give it more time, for now I simply don't have the time.  

 

The setup is used in an Eagles Tribute band and use 6- and 12 string acoustics, telecaster and LP. I had also a very nice strat sound with a little overdrive which does not seem possible to get in 2.0.

 

 

I really believe Line 6 should have put more effort to the sounds V2.0 is delivered. I also cannot understand why there are no decent standard patches in the POD HD500 Pro. It is a great unit and I managed really good sounds from it with the Variax 700. If I had tried it in the shop with the factory presets I'm sure I wouldn't have bought it.


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