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How many roll back to a non HD version

  1. Roll Back (51 votes [44.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.74%

  2. Stay on HD (63 votes [55.26%] - View)

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#81 Inerzia

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:02 PM

I just rolled back, and I'm gonna stay on 1.9 for some time.
No matter how many times I succesfully (so the monkey says) apply 2.0 firmware, 

the volume and tone differences between strings are still there, on the same models.
It sounds as if they were strings from different guitars. Pity, I'm gonna miss some of the HD models...
I hope the next update works for everyone, not just for some.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 07:33 PM

Yeah its kinda sad I upgraded when it was availble, Went through and tweaked all my HD500 settings to accomodate the changes.  ( best I could)..  But now I have rolled back to 1.9..  Most of the models sound better to me on 1.9 but thats just a matter of taste or preference...  To me I thought 2.0 had more range and dynamics but it didn't sound good to me from the get go....  kinda like the hd500 Its got allot more options and technically it can sound allot better than the xt models but for my preference I Prefer the XT cause it sounds better right off the bat you dont' need to tweak the hell out of it to get it to sound good..


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:19 AM

Rolled back , but as soon as line 6 sort out the strat setting and the different volume issues I'll be back to the HD version , I prefer some of the semis on the HD but I use the strat sound more so it's version 1.9 for now .
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:03 PM

Must admit that, the Gibson Custom les paul sound was my favorite and I miss this one on my jtv. Also the acoustics on the 1.71 was way better. But the rest of the guitars are much more better on the 2.0 version.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:01 PM

I just got my 59 and I upgraded to 2.0 today. It's completely broken now. All of the presets change randomly and I can't roll it back to a previous version. Every time I try to rollback it gives me a connection error. Is this type of thing what I should expect going forward? Maybe I should just return it. Any thoughts?


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#86 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:19 PM

Shouldn't do that.  Return it for a replacement.  These guitars are great when you get a good one!


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:22 PM

It sounds like you got a bad interface, rather than a bad guitar. if you have a pod try using that for the update (you cant use workbench through the pod, but you can update)


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 07:12 AM

Must admit that, the Gibson Custom les paul sound was my favorite and I miss this one on my jtv. Also the acoustics on the 1.71 was way better. But the rest of the guitars are much more better on the 2.0 version.

Yeah I thought the accoustics were better before.  They sound kinda funny in 2.0 and the tone knob does not have much of a effect as it did with 1.9.  It almost sounds like its kinda over driven or too reverby.  Also for some reason some of the electrics seem to sound like the Tone knob is cocked a little bit ( very nasaly sounding with distortion tones).  Lester models especially..


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:44 PM

You know I think they should have release 2.0 as a beta download..  That way people would have known how half baked this 2.0 update is..  When you lose functions ( no workbench through HDseries, have to use break out box).  Have a lesser sub par user experience (having to go through and change volumes, pickup configurations and individual string volumes.)  Just to make it usable.  Well that sounds Beta to me!!!!

 

Sorry just my two cents


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:15 AM

i'm annoyed having to use the box too... but it was included with every guitar...

i've not had any of the volume issues that others have had...

not trying to argue, but i simply don't think your experience is typical...

why is it different? I don't know... 


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:37 AM

i'm annoyed having to use the box too... but it was included with every guitar...

i've not had any of the volume issues that others have had...

not trying to argue, but i simply don't think your experience is typical...

why is it different? I don't know... 

Yeah from what I have read in the forums my experience seems typical otherwise there wouldn't be this thread.  If things went well for you thats good I gave it my college try.  I even went through tweeking all the settings trying to level out all the instruments the best I could.  Tried to get level string volumes through out the spank models, tried different bodys to make the spank sound more like it did in 1.9 but never could get it to resonate like it did with 1.9...  And the Semi models you can't tell me they sound better with 2.0 ( they don't have that woody hollowed tone at all).  But I must admit I loved the new tele sounds much better than the old ones.  And the accoustics sound really messed up (I don't know what they did to it cause they weren't even supposed to update them they were already HD)  To me they sound really kinda over driven or really reverby, and you can't get that really dry sound by rolling back the tone knob..  Don't take it the wrong way I have been using line6 since POD 1.0 and have always used line 6 since but to me they seem to be steppin backwards allot with there updates.  People want a set up that sounds and reacts like a real physical setup and it just doesn't cut it.  I have been comparing the physical pickups with the modeled stuff, what I notice allot lately is a nasty nasaly tone knob rolled back half way sounds with the lester models drives me nuts.  I may go through and see if I can fix it through workbench...   But you wanted to know my experience so there it is in a nut shell there has been other things bothering my about the set up but I have come accross solutions to fix them or I grew acustom to the problem..


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:48 AM

this is not a "string volume issue" thread... i don't have that problem...

this thread is more about subjective preference.

 

i know you tried and it isnt working for you... i get it...

the subjective parts of your post are as valid as any other subjective opinion expressed here...

i just don't think that the volume issue is typical, i don't know what it would be, but since i've seen others that have the issue as well...

and i know many that have not... i tend to think that it's a hardware thing that only affects certain guitars....

based on no scientific data really... just what it appears to be.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:54 AM

(this is not a "string volume issue" thread... i don't have that problem...

this thread is more about subjective preference.)

 

There is more to my issues than just string volumes, And besides that is all part of the update ( I don't have the problem since I switched back) so I think string volumes would be relevent to this thread.. I think string volume issues would be as valid as any other subjective opinion if it is hampering my User experience..


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:34 AM

that's my point... i don't think that string volume is subjective at all...

if you have the issue it's factual... and not a matter of opinion.

 

i don't have the issue... which is also factual...

 

I think you have a physical problem with the guitar, that made itself known only when the 2.0 update demanded more use from the internal resources...

i honestly don't think that an update will fix that... short of dumbing the new models down to use less resources (AKA lowering the quality)

 

the basis of this thread is more new models vs old models.

this thread isn't about anyone's user experience. 

 

 

(this is not a "string volume issue" thread... i don't have that problem...

this thread is more about subjective preference.)

 

There is more to my issues than just string volumes, And besides that is all part of the update ( I don't have the problem since I switched back) so I think string volumes would be relevent to this thread.. I think string volume issues would be as valid as any other subjective opinion if it is hampering my User experience..


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:45 AM

that's my point... i don't think that string volume is subjective at all...

if you have the issue it's factual... and not a matter of opinion.

 

i don't have the issue... which is also factual...

 

I think you have a physical problem with the guitar, that made itself known only when the 2.0 update demanded more use from the internal resources...

i honestly don't think that an update will fix that... short of dumbing the new models down to use less resources (AKA lowering the quality)

 

the basis of this thread is more new models vs old models.

this thread isn't about anyone's user experience. 

I get what you are saying due to the HD quality now its picking up some sort of artifact or defect in my guitar that is causing the drop in individual string volumes on certain models,  And variations in volume through out all the models when switching guitar models.  (that doesn't Sound right to me but thats what were here for throwing around Ideas)..  I thought the reason for this thread was to see who has rolled back and why?  I guess thats why we get different answers to different questions, our perspectives are different.  But thanks for your help

 

ps.  Also I admit our setups may be a culpret in the ordeal,  I use FRFR studio monitor head phones so I hear allot of stuff some who runs there gear through lets say a DT series amp is not gonna hear.  So someone else may have the problem also and not know it do to the limited range and coloration of a amp versus monitors..


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#96 Inerzia

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:56 PM

I think you have a physical problem with the guitar, that made itself known only when the 2.0 update demanded more use from the internal resources...

i honestly don't think that an update will fix that... short of dumbing the new models down to use less resources (AKA lowering the quality)

Yes, Zap, it's either us, or our pods, our interfaces, our setups, or even our guitars, but a firmware problem? No, that's impossible! because it works on some guitars so that's irrefutable proof that the firmware is fine...
Will you at least admit the possibility? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one, even with Line6 involved  :D 

In the past, there have been updates where the code was refined and optimized to run better in all units of a particular product without a change in sound, without dumbing anything down, and even so, if it required dumbing down the models, should we, who are having problems with the HD update, be left out?  left behind? Why not modify and even "trim" the models, if that's what's required for the firmware to run correctly in all units? We all are customers, we deserve the same treatment, if something is free, let us all have it for free, and have it working.

After trying to make it work for a few months, I had to roll back, but I don't want to settle for that because I loved certain aspects of the new firmware. I just want the same as you and others have, no more, no less.

If that were the case (and I don't think it is), and all the models had to be reduced in quality in the next update, those who already have a working HD JTV could stay in 2.0 if they wished.
Isn't that what we always say to each other in such cases?


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 07:59 PM

if its the firmware i hope it gets fixed for you...

if it's your guitars... i hope line6 makes it right for you...

i'm not the enemy here...

i'm just good at troubleshooting, and the firmware does not seem to be the likely issue.... (although nothing is impossible)

 

Yes, Zap, it's either us, or our pods, our interfaces, our setups, or even our guitars, but a firmware problem? No, that's impossible! because it works on some guitars so that's irrefutable proof that the firmware is fine...
Will you at least admit the possibility? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one, even with Line6 involved  :D 

In the past, there have been updates where the code was refined and optimized to run better in all units of a particular product without a change in sound, without dumbing anything down, and even so, if it required dumbing down the models, should we, who are having problems with the HD update, be left out?  left behind? Why not modify and even "trim" the models, if that's what's required for the firmware to run correctly in all units? We all are customers, we deserve the same treatment, if something is free, let us all have it for free, and have it working.

After trying to make it work for a few months, I had to roll back, but I don't want to settle for that because I loved certain aspects of the new firmware. I just want the same as you and others have, no more, no less.

If that were the case (and I don't think it is), and all the models had to be reduced in quality in the next update, those who already have a working HD JTV could stay in 2.0 if they wished.
Isn't that what we always say to each other in such cases?


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#98 Inerzia

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:02 PM

the basis of this thread is more new models vs old models.

this thread isn't about anyone's user experience. 

 

I think all our opinions about the old and new models are based on our experience as users, most of the content in these forums is based on our user experience... I don't get what you're getting at, sorry
Arislaf opened the thread and he didn't state which aspects of the models were to be discussed. Issues are as relevant as subjective tone and feel preferences
 


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Posted 23 December 2013 - 08:06 PM

I know, Zap, I know, and I value your opinions, the time you put in, and the wealth of information you provide, it's just that I can get very intense (and English is not my mother tongue)


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 01:44 AM

I had to roll back because I get a popping sound when swapping patches on my HD500 when connected via VDI and when the patch changes the JTV model.   On v1.71 fw I don't get any problem, and patches change silently, and the models on the JTV change silently.   I will be rolling forward one version at a time to see if I can identify which fw level introduced this popping and will then report to L6 via a support ticket.

I have another thread open documenting the problem: http://line6.com/sup...s-though-hd500/


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