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#1 Jasonbrianmerrill

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:59 AM

This is quite possibly due to my inability to properly program patches for performance.

 

I have another thread which is related to this:

 

http://line6.com/sup...00x-and-vocals/

 

However, I am getting comments (from my bass player, and a fellow band in the area who has come to our gigs) that our sound is thin.

 

here is our reverbnation page:

 

http://www.reverbnat...abbeyroadhawley

 

the sounds you are hearing here are a mix of direct and mic'ed (some bleed from the PA, I record the drums with mics). Keep in mind it might sound worse through PA speakers only.

 

So, what can I do? I certainly don't feel "connected" to my own sound and, as you can hear, my solo performance suffers. I feel like I'm waiting instead of expressing, hesistating instead of letting it rip.

 

Is there latency or something?

 

Let me show you the set list I use (WHY WONT THESE FORUMS ALLOW UPLOAD OF MY FILE? LOL)

 

here it is:

 

https://dl.dropboxus...5204/User 1.5xs

 

any help, or harsh critique, is helpful. Please be nice. I haven't had time to program much.

 

any help would be appreciated. Please bear in mind this is for live use.


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#2 arislaf

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:03 AM

Well, honestly the sound on the couldn't stand the weather sounds a bit off IMO,Meaning could be a bit fatter.But no, the rest are ok.


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#3 Jasonbrianmerrill

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:11 AM

ok, great - so how does it sound "thin" and what can I do about it?

 

I am used to using guitar plugins in a DAW, but not configuring the POD for live use.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:13 AM

the bass player is always telling me to turn down my bass, too lol


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:40 AM

IMHO based on your recordings you guitar sound doesn't suffer any thinness and in general it isn't bad at all, and also: nice playing!

 

as expected when you use the 2 or 4 strat positions the sound is a bit thinner, that's normal

anyway if you still need to add some fatness you could add a very short delay in you chain, or only on the left side after the amp, or just in the standard position still after the amp, try if you want and see what fits you better

 

in the recordings to be honest I think that the bass player is instead lacking some fatness that could be cured with a compressor

 

just my 2 cents


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#6 Jasonbrianmerrill

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:42 AM

the recordings might not be the best example of the tone unfortunately... I am using a variax JTV at the moment. 

 

 

if someone could check out the patches I am using, or could point me in the direction of some patches which sound like a pedal and some amps and not like radiohead's subterranean homesick alien, it would be helpful ;)


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:48 AM

Where are the patches? Regarding fatness, Hurghanico pointed you to the correct way, just follow his instructions.I could say, for additional  thickness, put some decay and a bit of thump to your cabin!


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:58 AM

Where are the patches?

 

the patches given in the link above were saved in the setilst format but they are for the HD500X

if you have an HD500 and want to open them you have to change the file name extension to "h5s"


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#9 Jasonbrianmerrill

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:01 PM

interesting about the cabinet!

 

yes, I have 500x... they should open in 500, right? just might run into DSP issues.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:11 PM

interesting about the cabinet!

 

try also different cabs and mics combinations, you can get a lot of different timbres


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:19 PM

The overwhelming consensus is that the pod sucks. I don't buy it.

 

everyone's saying "just get a tube amp" haha.

 

Oh well... must these things always devolve?


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:48 PM

The overwhelming consensus is that the pod sucks. I don't buy it.

 

you've come to this conclusion in so little time? hmmm
or you had this opinion even from before?

more likely the second possibility I would say

then why do you waste people's time unnecessarily?

 

really remarkable


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:27 PM

you've come to this conclusion in so little time? hmmm
or you had this opinion even from before?

more likely the second possibility I would say

then why do you waste people's time unnecessarily?

 

really remarkable

Either you read that wrong or I stated it too simply...

 

I Dont buy it. I seriously don't think it sucks.... that's the only opinion im getting from people though.

 

I've been a pod user since 2005.


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#14 hurghanico

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:45 PM

Either you read that wrong or I stated it too simply...

 

ok, if I misinterpreted your words I apologize

I differently than you I know several people who really appreciates the latest digital technologies with regard to modeling, POD included

people who do not like it (and there are several also) very often are the ones who are more conservative and have an attitude of diffidence towards technology in general

for them it is inconceivable that something good can come out of a set of digital chips, even when the evidence demonstrates excellent results, in some cases even better than the average of the real things that can be found around


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:26 PM

Hey Jason. I'm using an X3 Live so I don't have an exact answer for you. But looking at your patches in HD Edit, it sounds thin because you EQd it that way. From what I see, the effects that have EQ (Screamer especially), you have the treb higher than the mid and bass. On your amps, same thing, treble is higher than the bass. Most surprising was the JCM-800 amps where you had the bass to 0% and the treble and presence to ~75%.Pretty much the opposite of what you'd do with a real Marshall amp--Jeff McErlain says, I think as exaggeration, that for Marshall's you should start with the treb on 0 and the bass and mid at 10. For Fenders he says bass at 2, treble at 3.

 

I've found with my X3 Live that in addition to "normal" EQ setting for the amp models I'm using, adding a four band EQ like this (borrowed from Lincoln Brewster's settings):

9.0db @ 100Hz

4.0db @ 400Hz

3.0db @ 750Hz

-1.8db @ 3000Hz

This really improves the live sound. I don't know what EQs are available on the HD, but you should be able to dial in something close to that--essentially boosting the bass, scooping the low mids, boosting the high mids and really filtering out the highs.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:33 PM

http://line6.com/sup...tone/?hl=fatten

 

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:09 PM

I'd add a lot of "tube screamer" or "rat" type distortion, and play around with EQ, plus a bit of delay.  It's too clean (not thin), in general, for live use, IMO, and it could use a bit of thickening for a small combo.

 

It would be helpful to know what your patch settings are.  There are a lot of good amp models on these HD systems, but you need to develop your ear to figure out "how to get from here to there."  Use your ears.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:10 PM

I have my patches above, but I'm more than happy to also post pictures :)


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:13 PM

I have my patches above, but I'm more than happy to also post pictures :)

For those of us w/o a 500X, we can't load them in our editor.  I believe this is basic stuff, like amp model, effects selection. 

 

You might play around with the drive level on the amp, assuming it has one (old HD400 so not familiar with your controls).


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:55 AM

For those of us w/o a 500X, we can't load them in our editor. ..

 

if you have an HD500 and want to open the posted patches set list you have to change the file name extension to "h5s"


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:11 AM

Renaming will work. But HD500 presets can also be directly loaded into HD500x Edit, without renaming, by drag/dropping from any folder on your computer into any Edit preset slot.
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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:15 AM

Sounds to me like you need to spend some time on EQ.  A little delay couldn't hurt either.  Also try changing you input impedance a little.


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#23 hurghanico

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:23 AM

Renaming will work. But HD500 presets can also be directly loaded into HD500x Edit, without renaming, by drag/dropping from any folder on your computer into any Edit preset slot.

 

thanks for the useful info,

but here the problem was the opposite:

how to load HD500X patches set lists into the HD500 Edit


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:58 AM

I have my patches above, but I'm more than happy to also post pictures :)

Yes, that's what my comments were based on. Again, it sounds thin because you EQ'd it that way.


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