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#1 arislaf

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:21 AM

Guys I will try my best to recreate the 1.9 tone of the strat to 2.0.

 

BUT I need some help.

 

I need somebody to record all the 5 positions of the strat 1.9 without any amp or effects.

 

I know I can roll back to 1.9 and do it by myself, but I worry a bit to do it. (maybe some problems will appear that I didn't have before)

 

So, anybody kind enough to help me?


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#2 stevekc

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:42 AM

Frankly I think most HD 2.0 users would be happier if you could simply duplicate all 5 sounds of a REAL Strat  - and be sure to retain the same Sustain of a Real Strat , which even the FW1.9 Spank lacked - to a much lesser degree than this HD 2.0 "Spank' version with its severe ADSR "Gated" version of "Spank" with no sustain longer than 5 seconds - as Line6 implemented in HD 2.0.

 

http://en.wikipedia....r#ADSR_envelope

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#3 clay-man

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:09 PM

Frankly I think most HD 2.0 users would be happier if you could simply duplicate all 5 sounds of a REAL Strat  - and be sure to retain the same Sustain of a Real Strat , which even the FW1.9 Spank lacked - to a much lesser degree than this HD 2.0 "Spank' version with its severe ADSR "Gated" version of "Spank" with no sustain longer than 5 seconds - as Line6 implemented in HD 2.0.

 

http://en.wikipedia....r#ADSR_envelope

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It really doesn't make sense to add an ADSR decay system to the Strat.

What if people are using a 69? That's already a strat style guitar. That would mean the 69's lesser sustain and the decay system = incredibly small sustain.

 

They shouldn't put a decay effect on the electric guitars. The only model that calls for a decay system is a banjo because it's supposed to have short sustain/decay fast.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:19 PM

 

. The only model that calls for a decay system is a banjo because it's supposed to have short sustain/decay fast.

 

I Totally Agree!

 

Most folks with ears can hear that indeed Line6 must be using an "ADSR" like approach with some of the models - they should expose these controls to the end User via Workbench, so we can disable it! 


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#5 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:57 PM

I don't hear it.  My 69 has great sustain.  Don't know what you are talking about.  It has more sustain than my real strat.


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#6 ur2funky

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:13 PM

What if people are using a 69? That's already a strat style guitar. That would mean the 69's lesser sustain and the decay system = incredibly small sustain.

 

 

 

You're implying that the banjo sustain would be different if played on JTV '59 as compared to a '69 because of the build of the guitar?  They sound the same on both.  As does the Spank.  Single coil pickups have nothing to do with it.


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#7 clay-man

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:18 PM

You're implying that the banjo sustain would be different if played on JTV '59 as compared to a '69 because of the build of the guitar?  They sound the same on both.  As does the Spank.  Single coil pickups have nothing to do with it.

I never said that. One time they implied that an LP has more sustain than a Strat, which might be why people are hearing less sustain.

 

Since the 69 is a strat model, and if strats really do have less sustain, that means the modeling of less sustain, plus real less sustain of a 69 = really low sustain. It's a bad idea to emulate decay levels of electric guitars. No one wants that. People want the longest sustain.

 

The reason why the Banjo calls for it, is because the sustain is generally extremely short on a banjo compared to a guitar, so it calls for it, or else it wouldn't sound like a Banjo.

 

Guitar sustain has a lot of variables, and we shouldn't assume all strats will have bad sustain and emulate that.

 

Like we said, if they DID put a decay system in the strat and other electrics, they should allow you to disable it in workbench.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:25 PM

Guys I will try my best to recreate the 1.9 tone of the strat to 2.0.

BUT I need some help.

I need somebody to record all the 5 positions of the strat 1.9 without any amp or effects.

I know I can roll back to 1.9 and do it by myself, but I worry a bit to do it. (maybe some problems will appear that I didn't have before)

So, anybody kind enough to help me?


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#9 ur2funky

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:28 PM

 

Since the 69 is a strat model, and if strats really do have less sustain, that means the modeling of less sustain, plus real less sustain of a 69 = really low sustain. It's a bad idea to emulate decay levels of electric guitars. No one wants that. People want the longest sustain.

 

 

 

 

Why do you assume a '69 has less sustain?


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#10 clay-man

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:33 PM

Why do you assume a '69 has less sustain?

 

Because Line6 assumes a strat has less sustain than a Les Paul.

 

69 = Strat style model

59 = LP style model

 

Unless they have good hardware that doesn't kill sustain on the 69, by that logic, the 69 would have less sustain than the 59.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:40 PM

Because Line6 assumes a strat has less sustain than a Les Paul.

 

69 = Strat style model

59 = LP style model

 

Unless they have good hardware that doesn't kill sustain on the 69, by that logic, the 69 would have less sustain than the 59.

 

What are you even talking about?

 

Please inform me.  You sound like an expert.

 

So the modeled tones are different for a JTV '59 than '69???

 

Can I ask you how many JTV '69's have you played and how many '59's?

 

How did the Spank setting compare on each guitar?


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 03:58 PM

What are you even talking about?

 

Please inform me.  You sound like an expert.

 

So the modeled tones are different for a JTV '59 than '69???

 

Can I ask you how many JTV '69's have you played and how many '59's?

 

How did the Spank setting compare on each guitar?

 

I just did...


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#13 ur2funky

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:32 PM

I just did...


Did nothing is more like it....

How many JTV '69's have you played and how many '59's???
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#14 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 07:02 PM

Models are same on all JTV guitars.  The guitars are different so they probably do sound slightly different.  Boards and FW are the same.


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#15 arislaf

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 03:45 AM

Why try and copy 1.9?  It was better at the SPank, but still not the best.  You could use any source.

 

I attached a few files from Acme's website...

They do sound nice, but the 1.9 was veri different,,,And many ppl loved that sound.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:43 AM

Strats have no sustain? Hum I guess David Gilmour played with an LP lol

 

Seriously I'm sure there is a slight difference between models but not in sound. I'm sure my 89f have less sustain because of floyd rose and 59 and 89 have more sustain than 69 because of their fixed bridge...


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 07:02 AM

My Gibson Les Paul Studio 2103 has clearly much more sustain than all the bolt-on guitars I've owned, including my jtv-89F, now that doesn't man the bolt-on guitars don't have a good sustain, it is just that the LP is extremely good at that. I've never played a Fender American Strat and I think they must have a good sustain but if they beat the Les Paul then that means that Fender is the only company who really know how to build bolt-on guitars.


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#18 israz99

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 07:07 AM

Strats have no sustain? Hum I guess David Gilmour played with an LP lol

 

Seriously I'm sure there is a slight difference between models but not in sound. I'm sure my 89f have less sustain because of floyd rose and 59 and 89 have more sustain than 69 because of their fixed bridge...

I own the JTV-89F and you're pretty much right, the sustain is not as good as the sustain in the guitars I've owned with fixed bridge, I guess this is a well known issu with guitars with bolt-on neck and FR, I'm not sating the sustain is bad it is just less than the other guitars, but that is the price for having such a versatil and creative bridge.


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#19 hurghanico

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:11 AM

..Hum I guess David Gilmour played with an LP lol...

 

sometimes unexpected things happen ;)

 


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:33 AM

lol yeah I knew about that ;)


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My dream rig presets for now 1.9

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www.monsieurmaxime.com/resources/Shine%20on.zip


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:42 AM

Did nothing is more like it....

How many JTV '69's have you played and how many '59's???

 

You don't need to start harassing me. I like how you copied my avatar for no reason to troll me. Reported.


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#22 ur2funky

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:21 PM

Those sounds clips are the bomb


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:26 PM

Oh no he di'nt!

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#24 clay-man

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:17 PM

LOL!

 

You're not amusing me. I have just stated by L6's logic that if a Strat has less sustain than an LP, then a 69 would have less sustain than a 59.

I am not saying it does, but by that logic, it should.

 

Now, please remove my avatar from yours and stop targeting me for harassment before I report your account for abuse.


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#25 arislaf

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:25 PM

You're not amusing me. I have just stated by L6's logic that if a Strat has less sustain than an LP, then a 69 would have less sustain than a 59.

I am not saying it does, but by that logic, it should.

 

Now, please remove my avatar from yours and stop targeting me for harassment before I report your account for abuse.

I don't have another jtv than my 69s, but it definitely has less sustain than my 700 that is mahogany. 

I am pretty positive you are correct one this one.


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#26 clay-man

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:28 PM

I don't have another jtv than my 69s, but it definitely has less sustain than my 700 that is mahogany. 

I am pretty positive you are correct one this one.

 

It doesn't even have to be correct. My point is theory that's pointing out the reasons why Line6 shouldn't emulate short sustain on a Strat.

 

If you're playing the Strat model through a Strat style guitar, then what's the point of lessening the sustain if the guitar you're playing is already a strat with short sustain?

 

There's many variables that comes into play when it comes to sustain. Perhaps they're trying to emulate the specific sustain of the guitar they were modeling, but I still think it's pointless.

The electric guitar models should just use the natural sustain, and not have a decay effect on it.


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#27 arislaf

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:30 PM

Completely agree Clay-man.


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#28 hurghanico

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 03:13 PM

I don't have another jtv than my 69s, but it definitely has less sustain than my 700 that is mahogany..

 

the slight difference in sustain could be due also to the fact that the 700 doesn't have magnetic pickups attracting the strings

which, consequently makes me think that different JTV pickups configurations may slightly affect the sustain of each specific JTV model, in addition of course to their height adjustments..


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#29 ozbadman

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:06 PM

the slight difference in sustain could be due also to the fact that the 700 doesn't have magnetic pickups attracting the strings

which, consequently makes me think that different JTV pickups configurations may slightly affect the sustain of each specific JTV model, in addition of course to their height adjustments..

 

It's also got a different bridge/tremolo, different woods, different strings, different nut, and is a different guitar. All of these also affect the sustain.


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#30 hurghanico

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:27 PM

It's also got a different bridge/tremolo, different woods, different strings, different nut, and is a different guitar. All of these also affect the sustain.

 

yep, of course ;)


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:20 PM

Getting closer now!Achieved the 69s pickups exactly, all 3 positions.. Still not stratocaster but getting down to it.


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