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#1 mrwolf11245

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 04:09 PM

I'm probably being dumb, I usually am.

The only feedback I seem to be able to get is a nasty squeal. I'm coming from a Line6 ax212 where I have always had a beautiful harmonic feedback sound whenever I've hit the distortion pedal, with the pod I can't get any nice sounding feedback, if any feedback at all through either my line6 or my vox vt40.

Best I can get is if I have my guitar right up against the amp I get a really high pitch squeal.

I am inexperienced and so I'm hoping I'm just not dialling in the right setting.

Help!

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#2 glenneke

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 12:38 AM

I understand your feelings, I experienced the same cause i noticed that there was almost no feedback most of the time. I don't use it with a real amp so i don't now if this will help you. In the mixer menu the pan knobs are Always panned to left and right. Set them both in center position that will help clear your problem. It helped for me and i can get a nice harmonic squeal tone now. :rolleyes:


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#3 mrwolf11245

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:18 AM

Thanks for the advice mate, but I can't find the mixer nobs.  I've looked on the HD400 editor on my PC but I can't see any options for panning?  Do you remember where they are?

 

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:37 AM

Sorry i forgot to tell that i'm using the pod hd500 desktop model. The tab windows are located as follows and i hope the 400 has them too: 1.Fx,2. Amps, 3.Mixer, 4.set lists. Choose Mixer and there they are. In case of the 400 that only use 1 amp theire must something similiar. Good luck :) 


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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:44 AM

I have a look now at the podhd 400 editor.. it's looking different alright. Maybe there's something in it to make the guitarsound come forward. Don't now. Buy the 500 is easier or the 500x :)


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#6 mrwolf11245

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:31 PM

Thanks mate.

I still can't find a mixer option.

I had a poke around earlier and think I may just need more drive and to play around with the different amps.

I'll let you know how I get on. Can't afford a 500 right now ;)

Used it for my first gig today. Sounded great.

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#7 mrwolf11245

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:32 PM

Well, it's first gig anyway :P
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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:35 PM

Just an update.

The nasty squeal was caused by a combination of the treble being set quite high, and my having set the tube distortion fuzz gain quite high.

I was able to get some harmonic feedback by turning the gain down on the fuzz box and increasing it on the amp model. The higher I turn the gain on the amp model the more feedback I can get.

The annoying thing is I like the sound of that I get out of having the gain high on the fuzz box but the higher I crank it the nastier the feedback sounds.

I've found a balance I'm happy with sound wise but I still have to be near the amp to get the nice feedback to occur, a lot nearer than I had to be with my old line6 amp.

I have band practice tomorrow so I'll finally be able to see how close I have to be when I have the volume cranked right up on the amp. It might work out just right once it's at band practice and gigging volume.

More tweaking required methinks.

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#9 mrwolf11245

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:50 AM

So... the Vox VT40 is just too bloody quiet :(

 

Band practice was painful, ended up connecting the pedal to the PA as well as the amp because I was inaudible.

 

The Vox VT40 is going back and being replaced by a Fender Superchamp.  I wonder whether there will be a big difference in the feedback.

 

I'll keep you posted in case anyone is on the same journey.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:28 AM

I use the built in Tube Compressor effect before the Amp Model and adjust it as needed for sustain and feedback.  That way I don't have to go crazy with gain and distortion.


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#11 mrwolf11245

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:28 AM

I use the built in Tube Compressor effect before the Amp Model and adjust it as needed for sustain and feedback.  That way I don't have to go crazy with gain and distortion.

 

that sounds like good advice.  I'm not sure how to do this though.  I have FX1, FX2 and FX3...  FX1 contains all the stomp boxes and a few compressors, but I can't see any way of applying the Tube Fuzz box and a separate compressor as they are both contained in FX1.  

 

I've got the following setup: 

Amp model: Brit P-75

Cabinet: 4x12 Greenback 25 

FX1: Tube Drive (Routing set to to Pre)

FX2: Analogue Chorus (Routing set to post)

FX3: Digital delay (Routing set to post)

Reverb: Plate

Wah: Throaty

 

I can't see a way to Have Tube drive (which makes up a big part of the sound I'm after) and also have a compressor applied before the amp model.

 

Any ideas?

 

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#12 joel_brown

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

I didn't know the HD400 had this limitation.  Unless someone else knows a way around this ?


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:48 AM

There's no way around it. It's a design limitation, similar to all previous Line 6 FX boxes. The X3 series had the same design - Each of the STOMP, MOD, and DEL blocks could be used to assign exactly one FX model in each group. It's done to ensure that the overall DSP capacity of the device is never exceeded.

 

The dual-path Pod HD devices (Bean, Pro, and 500/500x) took a different design approach, allowing the user full flexibility and control in the selection and placement of the FX models - even selecting multiple instances of the same FX if desired. That's why the DSP Nanny is necessary on those devices, intervening when the user attempts to add FX beyond the DSP capacity of the device. Some people take this as an indication that the device is under-powered; others appreciate the ability to use the existing DSP capacity to its full extent.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:15 PM

in other words:

 

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There's no way around it. It's a design limitation, similar to all previous Line 6 FX boxes. The X3 series had the same design - Each of the STOMP, MOD, and DEL blocks could be used to assign exactly one FX model in each group. It's done to ensure that the overall DSP capacity of the device is never exceeded.

 

The dual-path Pod HD devices (Bean, Pro, and 500/500x) took a different design approach, allowing the user full flexibility and control in the selection and placement of the FX models - even selecting multiple instances of the same FX if desired. That's why the DSP Nanny is necessary on those devices, intervening when the user attempts to add FX beyond the DSP capacity of the device. Some people take this as an indication that the device is under-powered; others appreciate the ability to use the existing DSP capacity to its full extent.


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#15 mrwolf11245

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:40 PM

That's disappointing.

My 10 year old line6 ax212 which cost me 400 quid and is a complete amplifier is more capable than a very expensive pedal board bought this year it seems.

You'd think as technology moved on that we'd be able to get these sounds for cheaper.

I'm sure they've improved upon my old amp in some ways, but for all I can tell at this moment I am getting less for my money.

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 04:58 AM

You're probably wishing now that you spent the few extra bucks for the HD500.  If I had all the money I wasted on buying the wrong thing with music gear... 

 

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#17 mrwolf11245

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 06:05 AM

Yeah man. I think I can still get the sound I want, it's just gonna take some tinkering. Just a bit pissed off with line6 for not making the distinction clear. Seems like Line6 being a little stingy considering what my 10 year old amp can do.

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