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#21 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 11:28 AM

Just think how autotune would interact with bending notes and using the Trem.  You would have to have a way to lock it in when you are not playing.


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#22 clay-man

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 11:50 AM

Just think how autotune would interact with bending notes and using the Trem.  You would have to have a way to lock it in when you are not playing.

 

I believe autotune's system detects when you're doing bends, so it turns off the autotune feature when you do. I do think the perfect intonation thing is amazing, but something about digitally tuning an out of tune guitar just feels really lazy to me.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:54 PM

the shaving cream represents the idea....

 

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and the intended victim represents the forum response.


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#24 alsithi

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:21 PM

When my band plays 'Stairway' I seamlessly shift from acoustic guitar to electric 12 string and finally a les paul without taking my hands off the instrument, but having the facility to guarantee all are in tune is abusing technology? Unfortunately I don't have a roadie to hand me the pre-tuned guitars on stage, otherwise I probably wouldn't be asking the question....

 

I also know a keyboard player who criticises my singer for using a Voicelive 2, completely missing the irony when he plays his Nord, Casio and Yamaha synthesisers.


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

Unfortunately I don't have a roadie to hand me the pre-tuned guitars on stage

 

People love it when a band stops playing for 10 minutes after every song to tune...

 

The only thing better is listening to them continue to play out of tune.

 

I ran a recording studio for many years and made tons of money on people retuning after every take, and re-recording out of tune takes.

 

Before that I wasted tons of money in other peoples' studios tuning and retuning, and have been the guy onstage taking 10 minutes to tune between songs (for many years I played a vintage Gretsch with a well used Bigsby that I enjoyed beating the hell out of live - it was always a miracle if it was in tune by the end of a song).

 

I welcome our Autotune overlords, not because I do not know how to tune a guitar or am too lazy to do so, but only to save precious time onstage and in the studio.


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#26 ur2funky

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 04:11 PM

Some funny posts!!!

Has anyone tried it?


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#27 clay-man

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 05:06 PM

When my band plays 'Stairway' I seamlessly shift from acoustic guitar to electric 12 string and finally a les paul without taking my hands off the instrument, but having the facility to guarantee all are in tune is abusing technology? Unfortunately I don't have a roadie to hand me the pre-tuned guitars on stage, otherwise I probably wouldn't be asking the question....

 

I also know a keyboard player who criticises my singer for using a Voicelive 2, completely missing the irony when he plays his Nord, Casio and Yamaha synthesisers.

 

There's a difference between effects and processing to change the sound of your strings, and then there's letting your strings flop around because they're poorly tuned, and could eventually be severely out of tune. That's my argument. 

 

Perhaps to tune perfectly is fine, but to just throw the strings on and hit the "tune for me" button is getting lazy.

 

It's just something I think you should always do, have your stuff actually tuned up decently. 


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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:01 PM

Come on...nobody buys this type of guitar because they don't know how to tune a guitar.

And even if they did, who cares? They aren't going to be out playing in any club I'd want to be in and they won't be putting out any music I'd care to listen to.

I couldn't care less.

I've played the Peavey AT and it was damn cool.

I still tuned it up as close as I could get it, but we all know, or should know that a guitar is never perfectly in tune with itself.

But...it was with the Peavey AT. Only reason I didn't buy it and got a JTV is the Peaveys piezos didn't sounds as good as the mags, which didn't sound as good as I would have liked.

I'm a single coil Strat player and the PV's mag were just bland and thick...and of course, no modeling.

The technology is here and I'd love to see it implemented in the JTV...doesn't mean you have to use it or are going to lose the ability to tune a guitar if you do.


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#29 clay-man

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:54 PM

Come on...nobody buys this type of guitar because they don't know how to tune a guitar.

And even if they did, who cares? They aren't going to be out playing in any club I'd want to be in and they won't be putting out any music I'd care to listen to.

I couldn't care less.

I've played the Peavey AT and it was damn cool.

I still tuned it up as close as I could get it, but we all know, or should know that a guitar is never perfectly in tune with itself.

But...it was with the Peavey AT. Only reason I didn't buy it and got a JTV is the Peaveys piezos didn't sounds as good as the mags, which didn't sound as good as I would have liked.

I'm a single coil Strat player and the PV's mag were just bland and thick...and of course, no modeling.

The technology is here and I'd love to see it implemented in the JTV...doesn't mean you have to use it or are going to lose the ability to tune a guitar if you do.

 

That's not what I mean at all. It's fine to tune it up perfectly, but I'm talking about someone who never touches the tuning pegs after they string their guitar. It's lazy because it'll sound off if it's way out of tune physically.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:55 AM

I know a couple of guys who WOULD do as clay-man suggests and never bother to tune the strings, but they are morons, not guitar players.

 

Personally I would tune mine as normal but rejoice in the knowledge that I could play through a set without having to worry about the tuning going off- something of a problem where I live as the high humidity levels we get here makes the guitar go crazy sometimes. Correct string tension is an important factor for the consistency of your playing. However even after all these years I still get blistered fingers and could easily imagine a scenario where I slackened strings off to ease the pain.

 

There would no doubt also be a number of players experimenting with string tension in a creative way...and of course, you could simply turn the autotune off!


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:33 PM

I didn't post a negative vote, as I'm not even able to access ideascale to read your post, but I would be opposed to Autotune ala Peavey's system.  From what I understand, slight vibrato technique is removed with Autotune.  The auto pitch corrects it.  Vibrato is a big part of the expressive qualities of the guitar to me.  

 

It would be great to hear every chord ring in perfect pitch, but at the expense of vibrato?

 

Actually, the Peavey AT-200 does NOT remove vibrato/tremolo (or whatever you want to call it), and it does NOT remove any bends. It auto-detects these techniques and allows them  to "pass", unmodified. Yes, I own a Peavey AT-200 AutoTune "strat". Bought it a few months before I pulled the trigger on my JTV-59. The AutoTune/Perfect Intonation technology is "doable" in the Variax, but I suspect Peavey and Antares (the maker of "AutoTune for Guitar") have an exclusivity pact. Line 6 would be forced to engineer those functions from the ground up, and Antares MAY have applied for a patent (I would have).


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 12:51 PM

Actually, the Peavey AT-200 does NOT remove vibrato/tremolo (or whatever you want to call it), and it does NOT remove any bends. It auto-detects these techniques and allows them  to "pass", unmodified. Yes, I own a Peavey AT-200 AutoTune "strat". Bought it a few months before I pulled the trigger on my JTV-59. The AutoTune/Perfect Intonation technology is "doable" in the Variax, but I suspect Peavey and Antares (the maker of "AutoTune for Guitar") have an exclusivity pact. Line 6 would be forced to engineer those functions from the ground up, and Antares MAY have applied for a patent (I would have).

 

I haven't tried it.  I was referring to a review in Guitar Player Magazine Nov '13, where it won an Editor's Pick award and glowing review.  Tester James Nash writes "...very slow or light vibrato can be lost entirely" and noted "subtle stepping effects...on slow, wide bends."

 

It sounds interesting for sure.  But being a fan of eastern microtonal music and the Hendrix junkie that I am, I would need the ability to disable the correction.


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:04 PM

"...very slow or light vibrato can be lost entirely" and noted "subtle stepping effects...on slow, wide bends."

 

Personally, if your vibrato is THAT slow or light  and if your bends are THAT slow and wide, maybe you might want to rethink/alter your technique. I haven't found a need for those techniques (I don't do rock, metal, etc.), but, as in all matters musical, YMMV. ;)


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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:07 PM

"...very slow or light vibrato can be lost entirely" and noted "subtle stepping effects...on slow, wide bends."

 

Personally, if your vibrato is THAT slow or light  and if your bends are THAT slow and wide, maybe you might want to rethink/alter your technique. I haven't found a need for those techniques (I don't do rock, metal, etc.), but, as in all matters musical, YMMV. ;)

 

Let me guess, you're a Blues Guitarist?   :D


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#35 TxHCBP

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:13 PM

Actually, mainly Country and Gospel (Country Gospel, Southern Gospel, some Bluegrass Gospel), but also beginning to learn some Blues, just to widen my "pallette" a bit. I'd like the ability to leave the rhythm playing a bit and throw in a little lead now and then. I don't want an eight minute solo full of shred, but a few, very minor riffs eased in between phrases would be good, I think.


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