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#1 jzuzio

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 06:49 PM

So I've proudly owned a Helix since March 2016.  I've gigged with it a ton and I've always forgone the amp and cab modelling route and instead, I've run the 4CM and used the unit more of a pedalboard.  I've dabbled in using some preamp models in front of my amp with pleasant results. I've gigged with this set up a TON.  Always happy with everything I've gotten out of it.  

 

Recently I played a small club gig and ran the Helix straight into the board with an amp/cab model in place of my FX send/return block.  It sounded great, but I did experience some noticeable latency.  I've never noticed any latency running the 4CM without amp/cab models.  I'd really like to be able to run this rig without hauling an amp to these gigs,  but I find myself hesitant about not having an amp and relying solely on the modelling.  

 

Has anyone else experienced this?  Any suggestions or possible remedies?


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#2 phil_m

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 07:45 PM

There should be no more latency with running direct than running in the 4CM. If anything, the 4CM would have a little more latency because you’d have an additional layer of A/D conversion. If you’re experiencing latency going direct, it would be from something else in your signal other than the Helix.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:10 AM

How were you monitoring when you went direct? Is is possible that you were hearing room reflections over your stage sound and experiencing it was latency? I play with a wireless and if I get more than 25'-30' from my monitor it "feels" like there is latency but its just sound over distance. I've experience similar in large rooms where I can hear the FOH bouncing back to the stage from room. But yeah, you should technically have MORE latency with 4CM because of the as-mentioned extra could AD/DA conversions.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:35 AM

I've never noticed any huge issues with lag other than some bounce back as mentioned previously. How were you monitoring yourself? 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:10 AM

Yep, something else outside the Helix is the issue here. The signal comes out of the Helix all the same no matter 1/4", XLR, or USB. 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:37 AM

Thanks for the responses, all.  

 

Gunpointmetal, I think you're correct in assessment.  I usually use my amp as my monitor and let our sound guys worry about front of house.  I think because I was relying solely on the house system, I was experiencing some delayed bounce without the immediacy of having my amp behind me.  Hopefully, I can have our sound company provide an extra stage monitor so I can gig without an amp completely.  I've looked into getting an FRFR, but if I have to carry a speaker, I figure it might as well be an amp just in case something goes awry with the Helix.  


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:25 PM

You definitely need monitors with you and the rest of the band mix, or else you are doomed. 


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:42 PM

You definitely need monitors with you and the rest of the band mix, or else you are doomed. 

 


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