jzuzio Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 So I've proudly owned a Helix since March 2016. I've gigged with it a ton and I've always forgone the amp and cab modelling route and instead, I've run the 4CM and used the unit more of a pedalboard. I've dabbled in using some preamp models in front of my amp with pleasant results. I've gigged with this set up a TON. Always happy with everything I've gotten out of it. Recently I played a small club gig and ran the Helix straight into the board with an amp/cab model in place of my FX send/return block. It sounded great, but I did experience some noticeable latency. I've never noticed any latency running the 4CM without amp/cab models. I'd really like to be able to run this rig without hauling an amp to these gigs, but I find myself hesitant about not having an amp and relying solely on the modelling. Has anyone else experienced this? Any suggestions or possible remedies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_m Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 There should be no more latency with running direct than running in the 4CM. If anything, the 4CM would have a little more latency because you’d have an additional layer of A/D conversion. If you’re experiencing latency going direct, it would be from something else in your signal other than the Helix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunpointmetal Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 How were you monitoring when you went direct? Is is possible that you were hearing room reflections over your stage sound and experiencing it was latency? I play with a wireless and if I get more than 25'-30' from my monitor it "feels" like there is latency but its just sound over distance. I've experience similar in large rooms where I can hear the FOH bouncing back to the stage from room. But yeah, you should technically have MORE latency with 4CM because of the as-mentioned extra could AD/DA conversions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLF2007 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I've never noticed any huge issues with lag other than some bounce back as mentioned previously. How were you monitoring yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Yep, something else outside the Helix is the issue here. The signal comes out of the Helix all the same no matter 1/4", XLR, or USB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzuzio Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 Thanks for the responses, all. Gunpointmetal, I think you're correct in assessment. I usually use my amp as my monitor and let our sound guys worry about front of house. I think because I was relying solely on the house system, I was experiencing some delayed bounce without the immediacy of having my amp behind me. Hopefully, I can have our sound company provide an extra stage monitor so I can gig without an amp completely. I've looked into getting an FRFR, but if I have to carry a speaker, I figure it might as well be an amp just in case something goes awry with the Helix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbuhajla Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 You definitely need monitors with you and the rest of the band mix, or else you are doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncann Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 You definitely need monitors with you and the rest of the band mix, or else you are doomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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