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#1 smrybacki

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 01:30 PM

Last Friday, I ordered a JTV59 in Cherry Burst as a so-called "scratch and dent".  The reasons for this are articulated in the thread I made then called "Another drink of the Kool-Aid on it's way" or something similar.  This is what I think so far, 3 days in.

 

First of all, the fit and finish on this "scratch and dent" guitar is very good.  I had to give the truss rod a quarter spin to knock a low E string rattle out, but otherwise it is very good.  I cannot thus far detect a scratch or a dent, other than in my wallet.  I also have a POD HD500 and I connect it via the VDI cable I also ordered, and the output goes to a Boss RC-30 and on to a mixer which feeds a pair of Tech21 Power Engines.  I realize that I am still just scratching (pun intended) the surface of this rig, but I can tell you all that so far I am impressed with the guitar itself.  It plays and feels very nice in my hands, and even if ultimately the modeling aspect turns south, I feel I could just play the guitar with the included humbuckers because my other guitars are either Stratocasters or a Telecaster.  I was never the hugest fan of a Les Paul style guitar, but this guitar is changing my mind and making me wonder why I felt that way.  Mostly, it was the simple fact that I just dig single coil, Fender clean tone with a bit of overdrive above all other sounds -- almost.  The other side of me is a rock and roll animal that likes the sounds of hard riven guitars into a Marshall or Mesa amp.

 

In any event and that aside, the models in this thing are mostly very good, and especially the non Fender models.  I don't say that because the Fender models are necessarily "bad", but I have three MIA Strats and an MIA Tele so I am measuring against those.  I like the convenience of the guitar however and being able to quickly switch between a fender style sound into a Blackface model and a Les Paul into a Marshall at the flick of a switch is excellent!  I have thus far spent a LOT of time on the Gretsch Silver Jet model played into plain vanilla Soldano Crunch model and the aforementioned Paul -> Marshall Plexi combination.  I have also played with the acoustic models, but I have a question at this point about that; Given my rig, what amp model do the majority of players use to provide a pristine sounding acoustic?  Any help there would be great...

 

The 12 string models are fairly decent too, and only if you listen very critically can you sense the processing behind the sound.  I find it pleasant to hear in any event, and I'm not making Carnagi Hall any time soon anyway lol.  One of the reasons I was so attracted to this guitar was it's ability to model acoustics AND the ability to gin up alternate tunings quickly and easily.  With that, I guess I have a complaint, although an answer to my question above about which amp model folks use with acoustics may solve it.  When I play alternate tunings in acoustic models, I get a very strange overtone happening.  What I have fiigured out is that I am so close to the guitar itself, that even though the tuning is changed when played through the Power Engines, I am still close enough to the string itself that I hear it's actual sound as well.  This sort of screws up the whole sense of ambiance obviously, and any advice on how to deal with this is also appreciated.

 

All in all, I feel good about my purchase and I am happy with the quality of the guitar.  I figure I have a new learning curve to ascend in a new type of guitar rig, and the upside far outweighs the effort I have to make in the end.  In my situation now (couch player), this setup gives me a lot of tonal options and if I can get used to thinking WAY outside the box, I can actually create new and fun textures nobody else has ever heard, right?  Right...

 

 

Dream big man,

 

Steve


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 03:59 PM

...what amp model do the majority of players use to provide a pristine sounding acoustic?  Any help there would be great...

 

.......When I play alternate tunings in acoustic models, I get a very strange overtone happening.  What I have fiigured out is that I am so close to the guitar itself, that even though the tuning is changed when played through the Power Engines, I am still close enough to the string itself that I hear it's actual sound as well.  This sort of screws up the whole sense of ambiance obviously, and any advice on how to deal with this is also appreciated...

 

1) I think that the majority of POD HD players doesn't use any amp model for acoustic guitars sounds, and it's indeed the best solution

 

2) when you use alternate tunings I suggest to use closed cans loud enough to mask the strings audible natural sounds


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Posted 10 October 2013 - 05:56 PM

1) I think that the majority of POD HD players doesn't use any amp model for acoustic guitars sounds, and it's indeed the best solution
 
2) when you use alternate tunings I suggest to use closed cans loud enough to mask the strings audible natural sounds


Great idea about the headphones actually and I'll fiddle with no modeling on the acoustics... Thank you!
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 04:50 AM

Update a few weeks in...

Had to level a fret a bit to kill a buzz in the low E. Sweetwater was more than willing to take my guitar back, make it right and ship it back but it was such a simple fix I decided to just do it with the help of a friend with the right fret working tools. I figure that I like Sweetwater as a company and why cost them over such a thing...

In any event, I selling in with this guitar and I truly love it now. I play it every day and I am shopping DT-25 to complete the so called "Dream Rig". Man, Line 6 has come a long way since that firs red bean...
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 06:18 AM

You might also want to check out a Line 6 Stage Source L2t, which works better with the acoustic models, and works great with the electric models.


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 02:22 PM

I agree with bclarke675.  The DT is for electric tones only, and will leave the acoustic models out to dry, and nearly useless.  IMO, any good tube amp could take the DT's place.

 

Downside of the a full range system like the Stage Source, is playing-wise it doesn't "feel" like a tube amp.  But acoustic tones are wonderful.  Really all tones are, just not the tube amp feel.

 

I have a QSC k8 & k12.  The K8 rocks!  I would have never thought a 8" speaker could do guitar, but it kills!  Have to hear it to believe it.  I find on most stages I have to turn the low-end extension off on the K8.   I haven't tried the StageSource. 


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#7 smrybacki

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:51 PM

Thanks for the points on acoustics sounds folks. As I said, I already run the POD through a stereo pair of Power Engines, so I have pretty awesome (but definitely NOT tube feeling) sound there.

I started thinking about this watching Sean Halley doing a video with "the Dream Rig" where he had a multi connection deal with a Sitar sound playing at a fifth above the single coil sounds coming out of the JTV69 he was playing.

Next thing I remember I was here asking questions about DT-25 amps and I had a slight headache :-\
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Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:40 AM

Keep in mind you can set up patches with both variax models and mags on at the same time, doing the 5th above harmony thing, all coming thru your Power Engines.
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