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#1 SiWatts69

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:24 AM

Got my rig on order, bought the iPad, now looking to get what I need to hook up the ipad when it all arrives... so...

 

Given the list of compatible dongles but the recommendation that you hook up through a usb / ethernet adapter with a wireless router, what are you using, ie what specific products?

 

Make/Model for each would be helpful.

 

Equally, any combinations or inidividual products which have proved unsuccessful or difficult, ie ones to avoid.

 

Many thanks.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 06:34 PM

I use apple's airport express router. It is a small, and reliable router. But any router will work. I connect it to the board with an Ethernet cable and a Moshi Internet to USB adapter. This adapter also has a USB port to plug a USB drive into. So you can play music from a USB stick and be connected to your router, and therefore your ipad connected too.
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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:49 PM

My first foray into iPad mixing was with the Samsung wireless dongle which worked fine but we also use line 6 xd v70 wireless mics which can over power a small wireless network if the transmitters get close to the iPad. After some advice from Line 6 I got myself an apple airport express. Because this transmits also in the 5ghz band there are no problems with mic transmission interference and it works really well.

I should add that the wireless never interfered with the microphones at all.

To sum up, the apple airport express is the most robust solution but if you are not using line 6 wireless mics then any of the wireless USB dongles in the line 6 approved list will work fine.
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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:52 PM

I'm using one of the recommended Cisco dongels with almost no problems....a bit of turn off & turn on to kick in the communication...other than that it works fine.

I am very happy with the updated fader control as I almost stopped using the remote with the previous software....

I still do not understand why WiFi was not built in...

I use 5 tiny Sony cameras all with builtin WiFi in the rig...but the M20d needs a dongle.....a bit strange ????


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#5 SiWatts69

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:34 AM

In the interest of simplicity and reliability, I've plumped for the airport express route.

 

I assume the M20d is plugged in to the WAN port of the router?


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 06:54 AM

It's the LAN port. :-)
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Posted 16 October 2013 - 02:13 PM

It's the LAN port. :-)

 

Great. Thanks for the clarification.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:20 PM

The other advantage to the airport express, or similar router, you can use the 5ghz option to help avoid any issues with wireless devices should you have any. As well, it is a much stronger signal from what I have heard. I have not tried any of the USB dongles. Just word on these forums.
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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:26 AM

I appreciate the existence of this forum and personal experiences that help.
Iknowathingortwo: just bought the router cisco linksys e2500 and I find that has no usb connection, checking this forum I found out that I also buy a usb to ethernet adapter.
My question is: Does any usb to ethernet adapter I use in this case?
I hate that they have not included the wi-fi in the StageScape.
Thank you very much for answering!
PS: sorry for my English, I'm using google translator

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:57 PM

Q: Which USB WiFi products are compatible with the StageScape M20d? 
A: The EnGenius EUB-9801, 
Samsung WIS12ABGNX (WIS9ABGN and a WIS10ABGN are NOT compatible), and Linksys AE1000 (AE1200 and AE2500 will NOT work)are compatible with the StageScape M20D. However, they may be discontinued at this time. We recommend using an Apple Airport Express and use Apple's USB to Ethernet adapter (UPC: 885909439560)It is also possible to use the USB to Ethernet adapter and a DHCP enabled WiFi Ethernet router.


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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:01 AM

Any usb to ethernet adapter should work fine.  I use an airport express and bought  cheap one on ebay and it works fine.  There is no need to buy the apple one which is five times the price!


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:00 PM

Any usb to ethernet adapter should work fine.  I use an airport express and bought  cheap one on ebay and it works fine.  There is no need to buy the apple one which is five times the price!

that's good to know!!!


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:55 PM

I also say no need to buy the apple one, but you should consider one that has the USB port as it allows you to put a USB stick in and play your backing tracks or "between set" music, and leave the SD card to deal with only recording. I purchased one from Moshi. But I bet you can find one on ebay. Another option is a powered usb hub. They also work I have read.
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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:15 PM

To come back to my own thread with my own experience... I two usb to Ethernet adapters. The apple one works flawlessly, the other isn't recognised at all, so I'd suggest that unless someone knows that the one they are looking at definitely works, go for the apple one (as much as it pains me to tell anyone to buy overpriced apple gear!)


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

I am not sure if it is any cheaper than the apple brand, but Moshi is the one I have. No problem ever.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:51 AM

Hi guys, I use the Samsung WIS12ABGN/XEC adapter with the iPad 1 and it works great till my guitarist turns on his Line 6 wireless pack, I've looked at changing the frequency on the mixer but it only gives me the option of 2.4 ghz which is the same as his pack...can anybody give me some advice etc or should I go for a router rather than a dongle. Thanks in advance \m/
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:37 AM

Hey Johnny

 

There are several methods to improve your situation.  The best "fix it once and never worry about it again" method would be to use a router set to run on 5GHz ONLY (such as a Belkin N600).  You'll probably find that your iPad will like this a lot better too. :)

 

Second best would be to get your guitarist's unit updated to v.2x firmware and run in RF2 mode ...    http://line6.com/sup...?st=0#comment_0

 

Third would be to turn on your dongle and then with the guitar transmitter turned off but the receiver turned on, scroll through his available channels.  You'll see red LEDs on the RF meter.  Pick the channel on the guitar unit with the fewest red LEDs on.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 11:46 PM

Thanks for that dboomer, I've purchased thei Belkin N600 so fingers crossed haha. Is there a way to set it at 5ghz or does it automatically give you the options in the drop down menu on set-up screen.
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 07:55 AM

I believe that out of the box you get dual band. You have to go into the advanced settings and disable the 2.4g

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:38 AM

Gutted, I bought the Belkin N600 USB adapter and the M20D doesn't recognise it :'-( will have a look for the router, strange how they aren't the same.
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Posted 18 November 2013 - 07:26 AM

seeing how many ppl on this forum who use an airport express and they all report back that it works flawlessly (when its setup correctly), I must admit that im a little puzzled why someone insist on buying the different USB dongles and routers that apparently doesnt have the same succesrate. :rolleyes:

 

nah.. of course I am joking :P .. but still. ;)

 

I get that its cheaper to choose the alternatives. I just think that the mixer is in a pricerange where i really dont want to "cheap-out" on what i connect to it. just wondering :)


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#22 SiWatts69

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:09 AM

This is actually one area where I think the manual and online support docs let the M20d down.

 

Connecting using a router is only "touched on", ie it is mentioned that it can be done but there is no step by step instruction as there is for dongles. Likewise, the list of dongles supported is somewhat short... with at least one of the three now being discontinued. As the listed dongles aren't easy to get hold of, I guess most people would just assume that any dongle would work, cos it's just a dongle isn't it!

 

I nearly went down the dongle route, but decided against at the last minute, getting the Airport Express in the end. I chose the apple product not because it was apple (I'm not an apple fan) but because it had the added bonus of being able to wireless stream music from the iPad via Airplay with the addition of a 1/8 to 1/8 audio cable from router to aux input on desk.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 12:00 PM

Gutted, I bought the Belkin N600 USB adapter and the M20D doesn't recognise it :'-( will have a look for the router, strange how they aren't the same.

 

I was talking about the N600 router ... not the USB adaptor.

 

http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F9K1102/



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 02:08 PM

I use the airport express. It was an easy setup, and it works flawlessly. I use a relay55 and the xd v75. So far, never had an issue with anything. I am amazed at the clarity and quality of the 55 and 75. I think I will switch my router to the 5GHz band just to avoid any problems I have heard of.

I would expect a flawless connection with any decent router. Much better than a USB dongle only.
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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:48 PM

Unfortunately I know of no way to shut off the 2.4G with Airport Express.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:24 AM

Hello!

Due to limited knowledge i technical English I might have missed some information. I have a Belkin N600 router with a USB-slot. Do I still need an ethernet adapter connected to the Stagescape mixer?


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:44 PM

Yes ... use the Apple adapter.  I believe that USB port is an output (but you could check with Belkin)



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:18 PM

Unfortunately I know of no way to shut off the 2.4G with Airport Express.


Would the 2.4 interfere if no one was logged on to it?
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:01 AM

Would the 2.4 interfere if no one was logged on to it?

I would summise that if there are few other 2.4Ghz networks in the vicinity AND you don't need to keep the 2.4 band "clean" for use by radio mics etc, then there's no real need for you so isolate to 5GHz.

 

It would only really be relevant if you arrived at a venue where there was a significant number of other 2.4GHz networks operating AND where there networks were spread across the channel spectrum leaving you with no "clean" channel areas. Even if you are using a 2.4GHz radio mic you shouldn't have a significant problem, but if you have multiple mics, it might be worth limiting to the 5GHz band.,


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 12:56 PM

Hi,
Can I use a IPAD3 or IPAD air with soundscape remote?
THx for your help^^
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Posted 02 December 2013 - 11:00 PM

My iPad 3 is working and I am sure the air will too. Likely running iOS 7.
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Posted 30 December 2013 - 08:39 AM

We've got a M20-d and it is a game changer.  My only significant problem has been with frequent drop-out/disconnects with the iPad(s) we're using; the connection with the iPads will just go away, necessitating shut-downs/re-boots of the wi-fi and/or ipads to get it to work again.  We are using the Samsung WIS12ABGNX dongle.  After reviewing multiple threads here, I'm thinking that we are probably getting interference from any of the multiple wireless units that are also at play- mics (one of which I believe runs at 2.4 GHz), IEM's, guitar/bass.  Would changing over to a router, either the Apple Airport Express or Belkiin N600, make a difference?  Does the Belkin unit (or any other compatable units) allow isolation to only 5 GHz?  Or would simply keeping the other wireless units farther away from the M20-d help the situation?  It's the only aspect that drives the sound guy crazy....Thanks in advance for your help.


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 09:56 AM

Traditional Wi-Fi is a tricky technology.  It doesn't like to compete with any kind of interference.

 

You could try elevating your dongle by using a USB extension cable and getting it 6-8 feet up in the air.  External router are usually more reliable and using the Belkin N600 running at 5GHz only will eliminate any problems you are having with local 2.4G interference.  The Airport Express cannot be switched to 5G only but the Belkin can.



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 10:38 AM

Traditional Wi-Fi is a tricky technology.  It doesn't like to compete with any kind of interference.

 

You could try elevating your dongle by using a USB extension cable and getting it 6-8 feet up in the air.  External router are usually more reliable and using the Belkin N600 running at 5GHz only will eliminate any problems you are having with local 2.4G interference.  The Airport Express cannot be switched to 5G only but the Belkin can.

Thanks- that's pretty much what I thought.  Elevating the dongle doesn't seem a possibility in some of the venues we play, so I think it best just to cut to the chase and get the Belkin N600.  In that case, is the Ethernet-to-USB adapter choice that critical to have to use the Apple model, or as Digital-sound has discovered, the Moshi model?


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 11:04 AM

Line 6 recommends the Apple cable only.



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 11:10 AM

Does the Belkin unit need to be set up with a PC or Mac prior to hooking it up with the MD20-d, or can it be set up through the iPad?  Appreciate your patience with my questions.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 05:55 AM

I have experienced first a USB router type CISCO Linksys AE1000, cause it is cheaper than the APPLE kit. But I had several disconnection troubles during gigs, and sometimes It took time to recover the connection. This is a stressing experience, you know that. Then I resolve to get the APPLE AIRPORT kit 6 months ago, and definitely I consider that it is much much more efficient and safe  :)  :).  I'm often using also LINE6 wireless gear as guitar or XDV mics, it does not generate any kind interference. Then I'm fully satisfied with that solution, far more the best one, up to me,... for a few € expense. (I have a LINKSYS for sale….

 

QUESTION : I read in a previous post that "it had the added bonus of being able to wireless stream music from the iPad via Airplay with the addition of a 1/8 to 1/8 audio cable from router to aux input on desk." I tried to do while plugging with a cable 1/8 from router  to M20d 1/8 to Aux, but the media player does not recognize the connection. What is the right way to proceed? Thank you for your kind answer (may be already answered somewhere else through this powerful user forum…)

 

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL OF YOU   :D 


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 03:47 PM

I think you need to add a "laptop" icon to the stage, the one that shows input 17/18 to use the 1/8 inch audio cable from the Airport Express. (and set levels etc..)

 

Then set the iPad to stream to the Airport Express...


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 06:29 PM

OK, so I got the Belkin N-600 router, did the initial set-up on my PC, then hooked it up to the M20-d with the Apple ethernet-USB adapter.  The M20-d says it's looking for a connection, but doesn't find it.  The iPad sees the router network (which i've limited to 5 Ghz only) and lets me sign on, but no joy in getting the M20-d and the router to talk to each other.  Is there a setting on the M20-d that I need to adjust to get the 5 Ghz network, to avoid any interference from the 2.4 Ghz wireless units (including a Line 6 G30 that I have coming) that we have?  Any help is much appreciated.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 07:30 PM

Same thing I did wrong the first time. Reinitialize the router and leave it not setup. Now connect it to your mixer and set it up from there.




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