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#1 CorrodedXIST

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:34 AM

a while back i got this cabinet in a craigslist deal, and im having a hard time identifying it... id basically like to confirm if its a Vetta 1 cabinet or not, and id like to get a rough idea of what its worth..its in pretty good shape, and all speakers work great.  Thanks!

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#2 sliding_billy

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 10:10 AM

It does look like the Vetta 1/Flextone cab.  They did use the G12H-90 speakers, and of course it has the old logo.  I don't thinnk it is worth any more than any other 4X12 cab in similar condition and maybe a little less to anyone not using it with a Line 6 rig.  Folks are turned off by the Line 6 logo thinking that the speakers are just for modeling amps.  My guess on value (transportation excluded) is probably around $150.


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 01:33 PM

Thank you.  I appreciate the info.


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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:36 PM

I'd love to buy that cab. depending on where you live? price etc. send me a message back at elusivechris@aol.com thank you  Chris


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:00 AM

It does look like the Vetta 1/Flextone cab.  They did use the G12H-90 speakers, and of course it has the old logo.  I don't thinnk it is worth any more than any other 4X12 cab in similar condition and maybe a little less to anyone not using it with a Line 6 rig.  Folks are turned off by the Line 6 logo thinking that the speakers are just for modeling amps.  My guess on value (transportation excluded) is probably around $150.

It's simple enough to remove the logo if it turns you off. Besides " we' don't need no stinkin badges "


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:01 AM

It's simple enough to remove the logo if it turns you off. Besides " we' don't need no stinkin badges "

Sorry, I was referring to the logo on the speakers (and how it might impact purchase price since people think they are modelling only speakers) when I said folks are turned off...  Not referring to how it might impact someone looking at the cab itself.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:20 AM

If there is any such thing as modeling speakers it's the first I've heard of it. There are instrument speakers designed for guitar amps and the demands they put on them, PA speakers and stereo speakers but I've never heard of modeling only speakers before. 

 

Sorry, I was referring to the logo on the speakers (and how it might impact purchase price since people think they are modelling only speakers) when I said folks are turned off...  Not referring to how it might impact someone looking at the cab itself.

 


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:36 AM

 

If there is any such thing as modeling speakers it's the first I've heard of it. There are instrument speakers designed for guitar amps and the demands they put on them, PA speakers and stereo speakers but I've never heard of modeling only speakers before. 

 

That's my point. No, there is no such thing (other than using more neutral sounding speakers in modeling amps). However, folks associate the Line 6 name with being different than traditional gear.
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Posted 16 November 2013 - 08:37 AM

It is different but different in a good way. It's too bad Line6 wasn't convinced and caved in to the toob boobs.

 

Oh well someone with a little more spine and determination is bound to come along sooner or later and pick up where Line 6 left off and build gear for a market other than the tattooed freak show.

 

 

   

That's my point. No, there is no such thing (other than using more neutral sounding speakers in modeling amps). However, folks associate the Line 6 name with being different than traditional gear.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:17 AM

Funny DickFoster... sometimes I can't tell if we are agreeing or disagreeing.  I do agree that there is a market for a completely digital high end amp (obviously, since I still play my V1 HD after all these years).  Tubes have their place in my rig too (my DT50 HD/HD500/Variax rig) of course.  I don't think Line 6 caved so much as gave up on the Vetta.  Not sure we will ever know why (the rumors of not having rights the code or that nobody was left who could write it), but we were lied to about the future of the amp.  The non-DT50 version of the dream rig is not tube based, so I still think they believe in a fully digital market.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:51 AM

My guess is that they decided to go for the high volume low buck market and abondened the high end stuff. Still it's anyone's guess really. As a retired electrical engineer who spent a life time in electronics, I find tube amps pretty silly really. Not that I hate tubes because I started out everything tubes.

I guess it's pretty much the same reaction you'd have if you saw a horse and buggy on the freeway. I pretty much equate toob boobs to flat earthers. Maybe it'ss because I know that what they like so much about the sound is really distortion which is pretty easy to introduce once you're able to make a low or distortion free design as a base amp to build on. Line6 was pretty much there with the Vetta, their only short fall were their models and how they approached making them. Almost but no cigar. If they used decent sampling instead of trying to model circuits, they could have made the things sound like almost anything tube or otherwise. Sound is a very complex thing with many many variables adding to the end result. Trying to duplicate something by modeling it is almost always going to be a futile effort.      

 

 

Funny DickFoster... sometimes I can't tell if we are agreeing or disagreeing.  I do agree that there is a market for a completely digital high end amp (obviously, since I still play my V1 HD after all these years).  Tubes have their place in my rig too (my DT50 HD/HD500/Variax rig) of course.  I don't think Line 6 caved so much as gave up on the Vetta.  Not sure we will ever know why (the rumors of not having rights the code or that nobody was left who could write it), but we were lied to about the future of the amp.  The non-DT50 version of the dream rig is not tube based, so I still think they believe in a fully digital market.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:57 AM

My guess is that they decided to go for the high volume low buck market and abondened the high end stuff. Still it's anyone's guess really. As a retired electrical engineer who spent a life time in electronics, I find tube amps pretty silly really. Not that I hate tubes because I started out everything tubes.

I guess it's pretty much the same reaction you'd have if you saw a horse and buggy on the freeway. I pretty much equate toob boobs to flat earthers. Maybe it'ss because I know that what they like so much about the sound is really distortion which is pretty easy to introduce once you're able to make a low or distortion free design as a base amp to build on. Line6 was pretty much there with the Vetta, their only short fall were their models and how they approached making them. Almost but no cigar. If they used decent sampling instead of trying to model circuits, they could have made the things sound like almost anything tube or otherwise. Sound is a very complex thing with many many variables adding to the end result. Trying to duplicate something by modeling it is almost always going to be a futile effort.      

I disagree slightly about why folks (myself included) like tube amps.  It's not that they sound better IMO, but instead that they sound more "less better" (I do not want to use the word organic as it is way overused).  There is a certain expectation of guitar tone that is based on years of playing and listening that only comes from a tube's reaction.  You can mimic it with modelling (which is still just a digital attempt at recreating those imperfections that we love), but it is still not the same.  It's kind of like that sound you get from the improper intonation of a G string on the guitar or the faint warble of a vinyl album (or a non-blocked trem).  Is it better?  No.  Is is preferred?  Yes, in many cases.  I can almost imagine the modelling CD player that reproduces the crackles and warble of a vinyl album.  :D   Ultimately, if it was just pristine sound that we were looking for there would be no distortion at all and we would all be playing through PAs.  Heck, even the acoustic guitar can be modeled but it still isn't the same sound or feel is it?


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#13 DickFoster

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:02 AM

I guess we're saying the same thing more or less.

 

The distortion, using distortion in the sense that the goes outta is not a faithful reproduction of the goes inta, is what lends tube amps that so called destintive sound. Actually that sound is due more to the transformers used in tube designs than it is due to the tubes themselves. The iron and copper losses pretty much soak up all the high frequency stuff leaving the fundamental and second order stuff more or less in tact. 

 

I think I'm pretty safe in saying that using the proper sampling techniques you can make a modern amp using solid state electronics sound practically identical to any tube amp that was ever made if you try hard enough. I suppose this fact is more or less born out by the fact that in most any sizeable performance what the audience hears is coming from a PA system. While the guitars may be plugged into tube amps, those tube amps are miked then amplified by the house PA system which is almost always if not always made with pure solid state amplifiers these days.

 

I'd be willing to bet any of the toob purist out there that they couldn't tell the difference if faced with an honest, well conducted, blindfolded A/B test. Of course they'd swear otherwise and will till the day they die no matter what. Just as any true flat earther would have it. To them facts are simply irrelevant but in the end, it is what it is.


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Posted 30 November 2013 - 05:47 PM

I own and still play a Vetta 1 and a DT50 head and 4x12. But still I like to gig with a Solid State Sessionette 75. It sounds fantastic to me and while there isn't a valve in sight it sounds as sweet as any tube amp I have ever heard. It really is all to do with the transformer and high efficiency speaker interaction which this amp has albeit the Sessionette has been Retro upgraded by the original inventor Mr Stewart Ward himself. DT50 is a crackin amp but lives in my garage.


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 10:14 AM

Yeah most of the toob boobs out there claim to hear so much more than the rest of us don't they?

 

The difference between ceramic and alnico magnets, the differences in how pickups are wound and how they're waxed, the tubes, the speakers, the guitar cords with the so called oxegyn free wire, etc. etc. etc ad nauseum. It's just too bad they aren't able to hear their own BS with that super human hearing of theirs. I find it all very amusing.

 

If you challenge any of em with a blind fold test, they get all huffy and indignat for some reason. I simply don't understand why that would be. It seems to me that they'd be eager to show off that super human hearing of theirs. LOL

 

It all reminds me of some of those blind wine tastings where a two dollar bottle of wine stands out over bottles costing hundreds of dollars each. AKA the Infamous Two Buck Chuck and in France no less. Truly funny.

 

The true test and the only one that counts is what sounds good are your own ears, end of story.   


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 07:52 PM

I absolutely agree with lollipop.  But there is a, for lack of a better word, feel that I have gotten from a tube amp that I think is what all the tube snobs are talking about. It's nothing anyone can hear.  It's just how the amp feels to the player when playing it.  That's why they pretty much fail at a side by side blind test.  Myabe if they were the ones playing they could tell but ears alone.  No.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:21 AM

LOL now you're really out there into outer space. Feel an amp? Get real fer pity sake. Sorry but that's just plain jibberish to my ears. You don't feel an amp unless you're talking about a bass that can thump you but you do hear it.  

 

 

 

 

I absolutely agree with lollipop.  But there is a, for lack of a better word, feel that I have gotten from a tube amp that I think is what all the tube snobs are talking about. It's nothing anyone can hear.  It's just how the amp feels to the player when playing it.  That's why they pretty much fail at a side by side blind test.  Myabe if they were the ones playing they could tell but ears alone.  No.

 


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Posted 18 January 2014 - 03:01 AM

I understand what you're saying but I'm not talking about my bell bottoms flapping in the wind.  It' a very hard thing to describe but it is there (to me anyway). Keep in mind I have played very few tube amps and don't own one and never have. Mostly sims (Sans Amp, digitech 2101, etc.) and solid state amps (JC120) or a solid state preamp with a tube power amp (Music Man 130 head. Remeber those? I'm old) . So when I do play a tube amp I do "feel" the difference I tried to describe.  It doesn't sound different, it just feels different.  I don't know how else to put it. And it has always been a better playing experience for me. But I like to have a library of different sounds and since I don't have millions of dollars to get any tube amp I want, the difference isn't enough for me to get just one tube amp, so I'm sticking with the amp sims and am VERY happy.  But I do sense, feel, whatever you want to call it, the difference.  If you don't, it doesn't mean I'm more sensitive than you. But don't try to tell me I have'nt experience what I have.  As I think about it, feedback is something that is very different between them.  I was able to get and control feedback easier with a total tube amp than I am with any of the other things described.  Gosh that brings back a very fond memory. Not that you can't get and control feedback with anything else, but I did have that experience with a tube amp.  It was so apparent to me because I don't normally play fully tubed amps. It was like I was affecting the tubes themselves with my movements whereas with an amp, not fully tubed I didn't get that feeling even half as much.  This probably still sounds like jibberish to you and I apologize.  But every time I get the rare chance to play a tube amp, that "feel" is always there that is not there with anything I have.  What do I have that I play through ampwise (or direct)? Vetta (upgraded to II) Pod XT, Pod XT Live, Pod X3, Pod HD, Sans Amp, Digitech 2101, Ampulator (sp?), Rockman Distortion Unit, JC120, Music Man HD 130 (my first amp).  Am I crazy or has anyone else experienced what I've tried to describe?


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