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#1 AntonisPat

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:42 AM

Hi all

 

This might sound as a noob question (but then again I am one  :) )..

 

I'm trying to understand how the SV series (MKII 112 in my case) is set up..

 

Is it :

- Bogner preamp tubes --> line6 effects /sims --> bogner power amp tubes?

- Line 6 effects/sims ---> preamp ---> power amp

 or something else ?

 

Also is there a way to overlap the modeling part and just use the MKII as a tube preamp/amp?

I'm guessing that if I just use the "power amp in" , it bypasses the preamp/modeling sections (is this true?) but is there a way to also use the preamp section too??

 

...btw, this is pure curiosity, I'm very happy with the amp sounds!

 

Thanx in advance!

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:20 PM

AntonisPat,

   It's difficult to definitively answer your question, (which I feel is more than just a curiosity for you), but with the following info, maybe it will help you find an answer.

 

Resources:

 

Line6 Spider Valve Advanced Guide:

http://line6.com/support/manuals/sv112

   Preamp Out: Use the Preamp Out to send your Spider Valve MkII DSP Amp and FX modeling output to an external power amp, guitar amp or FX device.
   Power Amp In – Plug into your Bogner-designed power amp here. ...for example, driving the all-tube power amp.

 

Sv-pre By Strymon

   http://line6.com/sup...pre-by-strymon/

Line 6 Spider Valve MKII 1x12 Combo Amp Review

   http://www.premiergu...ombo_Amp_Review
   Preamp Out grabs the signal after the Line 6 modeling pre but before the Bogner-designed tube pre.

 


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#3 AntonisPat

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:44 AM

Hello napynap, thank you for your answer! 

 

Actually it is a curiosity question, last week I had a gigg with my band in a small festival and the guitarist from another band came along and we started another discussion on amps and guitars. He was quite interersted in my 112 MKII and asked a few questions on pretty much what I'm asking, but all I knew to answer back is what's mentioned in the manual..I felt a bit bad not knowing so here I am!

 

 

"The first controls on the back are Power Amp In and Preamp Out. Preamp Out grabs the signal after the Line 6 modeling pre but before the Bogner-designed tube pre." (from : Line 6 Spider Valve MKII 1x12 Combo Amp Review)

 

Does that mean that Preamp out gets the modeling but NOT the preamp tubes???

So if I connect something as effects send-return there it will be  Modeling->effect loop->preamp tubes->power amp tubes?

 

Again sorry fi I ask something stupid but Im quite new in trying to understand how amps and effects work, all I know is from a few articles I've read!


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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:07 PM

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7XfluCJ3czk - here Reinhold himself explains what he did. ;-)


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#5 AntonisPat

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 03:49 AM

Ok so from what I understand its modeling --> preamp --> poweramp.

 

Thanx guys!


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#6 AntonisPat

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:07 AM

Hello all again

 

Since you are so kind, I have another question :)  :

 

I want to play at low volumes at home, but I still want to push the valves as much as possible to get that nice tone they give.

To do that, is it better to  play at a moderate channel volume and very low master or low channel and moderate master??

 

To make the question a bit more general, does the channel volume comes from the modeling and the master from the preamp/amp section or does the channel volume affect the preamp as well ? I'm guessing that the power amp part is 100% master volume, right?

 

Thanx again!


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#7 OmeRoon

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:11 AM

I think this is what you are looking for:

http://koch-amps.com...aker-simulator/

 

Also check out this thread as it's more or less the same question:

http://line6.com/sup...me-on-mkii-212/


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#8 AntonisPat

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:37 AM

Hey OmeRoon, thanx, but thats a 300-400$ extra cost which I'd rather not spend..

 

I also have the Line 6 UX2 sound card and mostly play through this at home, but I was wondering if I could do something to use the amp too..

The actual question here is which would sound better : high channel volume and low master or low channel and moderate master?

 

Does the channel volume affect the tube section (I'm guessing preamp??) or is it just a master volume matter?

What I'm trying to do is take the most out of the tubes at low volumes..


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#9 tscoolberth

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 03:16 PM

and if you have the Strymon ... tubes-> modeling->pre-amp tubes->power amp tubes.  I've been tending on having the Strymon pre-amp maxxed to minimize the on board gain  :)


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