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Best Answer joel_brown , 26 October 2013 - 05:29 AM

I also use Marshall amps, a pair of JCM900s that I spread apart for live stereo effect.  I also play hard rock metal.

 

For me the PODHD was a struggle for several months.  The Line6 EQ sucks so bad I went out and bought a used dual band EQ, that helped a bunch.  There was more than a few times I thought I had wasted my money and was going to get rid of the PODHD.  In the end the light bulb finally turned on and I got it working the way I wanted.

 

That's the bad part.  The good part is, once I got it kind'a figured out I can't go back to other products that don't have the flexibilty of putting anything anywhere in the signal chain.  Also the tone is definetley HD but it's hard to tell until you get it sounding the way you want.

 

If you decide to give it another try (I think you should) then here's a couple things that will hopefully help.

 

I had posted my tone on another thread to help someone else in a similar situation.  Here's the links again.  I plug my guitar into the PODHD and PODHD into the Effect Returns of my amps.  I don't use the 4 Cable Method.

 

Download these two tones and see if it helps point you in the right direction.

 

http://www.childreno...AngelHvyPre.hbe

http://www.childreno...olOvrDrvPre.hbe

 

Also check out the meambobo website. Line6 should be paying this guy for all the great info he has on there.  Or atleast give him free gear.

http://foobazaar.com/podhd/

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#1 357mag

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 02:22 AM

I'm currently using a POD X3 Pro which I feel works very well for me. I did try an HD Pro for awhile and to tell you the truth I was kinda disappointed. It appeared the equalizers did nothing to alter the sound. When I invoke the equalizers on my X3 Pro I hear a noticeable difference. I heard practically no difference when I added equalization to my guitar tone when using the HD Pro. Have you guys gotten the equalizers to work?

 

Other things were a letdown as well (like the Greenbacks and I think some of the mics).

 

I do recall some people saying that the HD Pro requires more tweaking to dial in a good tone but they felt that the tone of the HD is better than that of the X3.

 

There are a few HD Pros going for cheap and I'm wondering if I should pick one up and give it another try. 

 

I usually use the Marshall JCM800 amp since I'm into hard rock and metal. I do like the Soldano and the Engl too.


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 05:29 AM   Best Answer

I also use Marshall amps, a pair of JCM900s that I spread apart for live stereo effect.  I also play hard rock metal.

 

For me the PODHD was a struggle for several months.  The Line6 EQ sucks so bad I went out and bought a used dual band EQ, that helped a bunch.  There was more than a few times I thought I had wasted my money and was going to get rid of the PODHD.  In the end the light bulb finally turned on and I got it working the way I wanted.

 

That's the bad part.  The good part is, once I got it kind'a figured out I can't go back to other products that don't have the flexibilty of putting anything anywhere in the signal chain.  Also the tone is definetley HD but it's hard to tell until you get it sounding the way you want.

 

If you decide to give it another try (I think you should) then here's a couple things that will hopefully help.

 

I had posted my tone on another thread to help someone else in a similar situation.  Here's the links again.  I plug my guitar into the PODHD and PODHD into the Effect Returns of my amps.  I don't use the 4 Cable Method.

 

Download these two tones and see if it helps point you in the right direction.

 

http://www.childreno...AngelHvyPre.hbe

http://www.childreno...olOvrDrvPre.hbe

 

Also check out the meambobo website. Line6 should be paying this guy for all the great info he has on there.  Or atleast give him free gear.

http://foobazaar.com/podhd/


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 06:27 AM

Make no mistake, the podHD is a phenomenal unit. In contrast to some on this forum, I've actually found it quite easy to dial in great tones with my HD500x (and before that HD300). I tend to base a lot of my cleaner/ bluesy overdrive patches on the Fender Deluxe Nrm amp. For crunch with humbuckers I like the JTM45 or JCM800 model.

 

I have to say that I've found the EQ quite responsive and useful. However I do find that with most of my patches I need a distortion pedal model at the front of the chain for the best possible tone (JCM800 Slash tone is the only exception). Usually a Screamer with the Fender Deluxe and a Tube Drive with the JTM45.

 

It's worth asking these sorts of questions however you'll inevitably get heavily biased answers on this forum....people who own an item of equipment and spend time on the manufacturers community forums will generally be heavily biased in favour of the unit they've spent their cash and time on.

 

For example, reading this forum you might think that the DT25 amp is the holy grail of guitar amplifiers, second to none in tone and all round usability. That is just ridiculous and most definately not the case. I'm selling mine for various reasons and would really only recommend the amp to a gigging musician in a covers band who needs to approximate other artists tones in patch form at a pinch. As a home based hobbyist I find the DT25 to be fairly sterile and lacking in "fun" factor. Touch responsiveness is poor compared to tube amps with all tube pre-amp sections and none of the tones will truely ever match the amps the DT25 is trying to emulate. We only live once- if its just a hobby/ for fun then why not own (for example) a real Fender Deluxe at some point in your life and build a stable of more enjoyable amps from classic manufacturers whose amps professional musicians actually use. Off topic a bit but my 3c.


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 11:29 AM

No. Not happy. Tweaked it to the death for a year and a half. Some good tones, but man, the thing is digital. You can never get close to a real tube amp sound, or even analog pedals. Sold it. Now I have a few good stompboxes and an EVH 5150 III 50 watts with two 2x12 cabs. And man, THAT'S tone.
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Posted 26 October 2013 - 01:37 PM

No. Not happy. Tweaked it to the death for a year and a half. Some good tones, but man, the thing is digital. You can never get close to a real tube amp sound, or even analog pedals. Sold it. Now I have a few good stompboxes and an EVH 5150 III 50 watts with two 2x12 cabs. And man, THAT'S tone.

 

The problem with amps is that they're not necessarily made to sound good at whisper bedroom levels. They're designed for the stage and live sound reproduction. This is where the POD wins. I can come extremely close to a true amp sound. Sure the POD sounds a little sterile since it's not a real amp, but I personally feel that is a minor deal compared to the overall nice Marshall or Soldano tone I can get.

 

If I lived in this building myself where I could crank an amp then maybe I would, but I don't think you can beat the POD for applications where you want not to be overheard.


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Posted 26 October 2013 - 02:30 PM

The problem with amps is that they're not necessarily made to sound good at whisper bedroom levels. They're designed for the stage and live sound reproduction. This is where the POD wins. I can come extremely close to a true amp sound. Sure the POD sounds a little sterile since it's not a real amp, but I personally feel that is a minor deal compared to the overall nice Marshall or Soldano tone I can get.

 

If I lived in this building myself where I could crank an amp then maybe I would, but I don't think you can beat the POD for applications where you want not to be overheard.

I don´t think so... Unlike in the 70´s, most modern amps sound good at bedroom levels. I mean, you don´t have to crank them to get the best of them. Most all-valve amps nowadays, get their gain from the PREAMP stage, not from the POWER AMP stage.

 

I also play mostly at bedroom levels nowadays, so I know what you´re talking about. After years of tone-search, I can tell you that you can´t have 10-20 amps in one. Modellers like the POD try to emulate the character of famous amps, and sincerelly, that´s quite not a laudable objective... at least to me. I think you have to find your personal sound. Maybe a couple or 3 or 4 different kinds of sounds, but I don´t see the point of having emulated several amps, and many stomboxes, just to have an infinite variation of tones. Perhaps I´m old-school, but I think it this way. It´s not for nothing that most professional musicians use some stompoxes, maybe a couple of effects racks, and the amps of their choice. They don´t use PODs. Most of them.

 

I think you can get some good tones with the POD, but at the end of the day, they sound artificial. Perhaps if you never owned analog stompboxes and all-valve amps you aren´t able to compare, so you keep what you have and you are happy with it. What I observed, in my experience with digital modellers, POD HD 500 included, is that you can dial good finished tones, specially if you don´t use an amp and have FRFRs, for example. With finished tones I mean tones that sound as a finished track. But if you´re talking about wooly-raw-coming from a guitar amplifier-tones, that´s where modellers fail.

 

Anyway, that´s just my 2 cents.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 05:47 AM

Actually more and more professionals are using modelers, however most of them are using AXE but in the past for example Megadeth used Line6 or Digitech for their live performances.  I've done old school for years and what I don't like is noise.  For the almost imperceptible differance in tone, I'd rather have the lower noise plus stereo sound - that's why I have two Marshall JCMs on stage spread apart.  However the method I prefer is using the PODHD into the Effect Return of my tube amps.  I don't like the sound of the PODHD into a solid state amp at all and would agree it sounds too digital.  That's where Impulse Responses (IRs) would really help.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:18 AM

Which JCMs? And why don't you use your amps dirt?
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:20 AM

Actually more and more professionals are using modelers, however most of them are using AXE but in the past for example Megadeth used Line6 or Digitech for their live performances.  I've done old school for years and what I don't like is noise.  For the almost imperceptible differance in tone, I'd rather have the lower noise plus stereo sound

 

With respect, I think Megadeth went back to Marshall for good reasons.

 

The tone differences may be "almost imperceptible" with very high gain stuff at high volume. However, I'm a podHD fan myself but theres no way cleaner tones are imperceptible. Real tube tones are generally more organic and touch sensitive. The podHD offers fantastic versatility and useability in a home/studio setting but its difficult to deny that there are compromises.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:23 AM

Oops! I just saw your previous post. JCM 900. Do you dig these amps dirt? Personally I prefer the 800s or even the 2000s... But perhaps you're using them as a clean platform... Cheers
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 06:57 AM

IF I am happy? 

 

Let's put it this way: I go anywhere to play and people ask: "don't you want an amp?" ...I say..."no...just plug XLR direct to it and flat EQ..."

 

they look at me kinda funny and think I am probably insane. but then, I start playing the thing and it sounds great out of the box....by the end of the set the sound guys come and THANK ME for making their jobs easier while still sounding great...

 

 

SO...am I happy? 

make your own conclusions about that ;) 

SPOILER: YES OH GOD YES I AM HAPPY


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:02 AM

The 900s dirt/grit does well provided they are biased correctly and the pre amp tubes are changed to something more suited to taste.  I didn't like the stock Russian 12ax7s too much.  I also prefer Mullard or Ruby EL34s for the power amp section.  JJs didn't do it for me at all.  I've been very happy with the JCM's sound and have used them that way for years.  What I prefer now is the stereo effect I get live from the PODHD, plus with high gain it's damn hard to tell the diiferance.

 

Clean tones I completely agree with you.  I think the PODHD lacks in that area, but the high gain stuff I'm very happy with.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:17 PM

Is it me or what because I hear a lot of compression on a clean patch when I creat one...and I am not even using a compressor..any ideas? This seems to be on all settings especially when I set it to combo front...
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:51 PM

The secret to great PODHD tone is in the Amp/Cab parameters and selection of mics. If you leave them as there are they do suck. Bias has a big impact on how each amp works. For a fender tone set it on 100% a Marshall tone set it on 0%. I also always use 1. pedal a noise gate at 40=50% Threshold and 0% decay. 2.pedal tube compr 10-25% Threshold 12-20% level 


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:53 PM

The secret to great PODHD tone is in the Amp/Cab parameters and selection of mics. If you leave them as there are they do suck. Bias has a big impact on how each amp works. For a fender tone set it on 100% a Marshall tone set it on 0%. I also always use 1. pedal a noise gate at 40=50% Threshold and 0% decay. 2.pedal tube compr 10-25% Threshold 12-20% level 

Also SAG on 0% is instant transparency. On 100% gives it ...well...SAG, or what I call flex.


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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:59 PM

Is it me or what because I hear a lot of compression on a clean patch when I creat one...and I am not even using a compressor..any ideas? This seems to be on all settings especially when I set it to combo front...

Use a tube comp and the front of your patches. Set it to 10-25% Threshold 12-20% level. Also Try this without any distortion pedal. Drive the tube comp to get the extra boost out of the amp's natural distortion. I always use a noise gate in front of the tube comp as well. Is says tube "comp" but it will not sound like a compressor.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:21 PM

I think you have to find your personal sound. Maybe a couple or 3 or 4 different kinds of sounds, but I don´t see the point of having emulated several amps, and many stomboxes, just to have an infinite variation of tones. Perhaps I´m old-school, but I think it this way. It´s not for nothing that most professional musicians use some stompoxes, maybe a couple of effects racks, and the amps of their choice. They don´t use PODs. Most of them.

 

I think you can get some good tones with the POD, but at the end of the day, they sound artificial. Perhaps if you never owned analog stompboxes and all-valve amps you aren´t able to compare, so you keep what you have and you are happy with it. What I observed, in my experience with digital modellers, POD HD 500 included, is that you can dial good finished tones, specially if you don´t use an amp and have FRFRs, for example. With finished tones I mean tones that sound as a finished track. But if you´re talking about wooly-raw-coming from a guitar amplifier-tones, that´s where modellers fail.

 

Anyway, that´s just my 2 cents.

 

Where I think many people go wrong is they are expecting it to feel and sound like an amp in a room.  That is not what the HD500 does.  As you said it does finished tones.  That's why you have a mic selection.  The HD is like having a completely isolated amp miced up in another room and listening to it through some studio monitors. 

 

In regard to not seeing "the point of having emulated several amps, and many stomboxes, just to have an infinite variation of tones" you don't have to.  But having a variety of tones is exactly the point.  What's so hard to understand about that?  You're happy with one tone fine, but a lot of other people like to have a variety of sounds (Even SRV used around 5 amps in the studio at a certain point.) and I can't afford to, nor have the room for a bunch of amps.  I also like to emulate the guitar sound from different songs.  And since I'm mostly recording anyway, the HD is perfect for what I want to do.  I mostly go direct otherwise and the sound guys love me because they have a finished sound coming to them (at mic level) so a lot of they're work is done for them.  Having a real tube amp blazing away with you is great.  But it's mostly for the player.  I've found the people listening pretty much can't tell the difference and more to the point don't care. They just want to hear good music.  And whether it's through a boutique amp with custom made stomp boxes or an HD direct through the PA, if the music is good, they're happy with either.


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:43 PM

I was pretty stoked to see that Steve Howe from Yes uses a POD HD500 and DT-50 live and in the studio.  Somehow I don't think he is getting fizz on his tones...  Just shows that it is definitely possible and it is a professional piece of gear.

 

http://www.premiergu...nd_Chris_Squire

 

Edit: I really, really, really wish he posted his patches too!  :lol:


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Posted 13 November 2013 - 05:46 PM

The more I read, the more convinced I am that I must be an alien...
The day they arrived I unboxed my HD500 and my JTV89, plugged, tuned, installed the drivers, the editor...
and simply started to create beautiful, detailed and lively tones... single path, dual path, clean, crunch, hi gain, fx-heavy, basic go-to patches... everything!!
Three or four hours later I had HD versions of all my main XT tones, and they were all better than the originals (except for those depending on the autowha)
because the ingredients were so much better.
At first I thought I would miss the variety of amps, and I found that having less but much better amp models to choose from was actually liberating, and it speeded 

things up. Whenever I think I miss one of the older models, I plug into the XTL and... well, I end up wishing they would make an HD version of that model, because
XT models sound so poor in comparison with the HD stuff. I do miss the bass amps though
Anyway, I've always been happy with the sounds I got out of every Line6 product I've owned, so, all I just said doesn't mean older products are crap or that I hate

how they now sound to me, I'm just saying that technology does evolve, and getting a good tone with the HD is faster and easier, and the resulting tone is better...
For me


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:58 AM

I took a break from the HD Pro for a while, in favour of soft amps such as Guitar Rig 5 and POD Farm. The other day, after the best part of 4 months, I plugged the HD back in and I was met with a mixed reaction. The sound and feel IS good. Especially now I have a real amp (the Laney IRT Studio) to compare it to. But I was also disappointed that nothing has changed since the last time I used it (and even *then* there was a distinct lack of progress with updates).

 

I feel that I have an amazing piece of gear that's reached the end of its development far too early. EQ in hz, split output modes for 1/4" and XLR, phase/delay controls on cabs for dual tone, link amp settings for dual tone, all neat little features that would be icing on an otherwise delicious cake, but that I will probably never see. It'd be nice if L6 could at least be a bit more up front about their intentions. The silence is not good.


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