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Best Answer joel_brown , 26 October 2013 - 05:29 AM

I also use Marshall amps, a pair of JCM900s that I spread apart for live stereo effect.  I also play hard rock metal.

 

For me the PODHD was a struggle for several months.  The Line6 EQ sucks so bad I went out and bought a used dual band EQ, that helped a bunch.  There was more than a few times I thought I had wasted my money and was going to get rid of the PODHD.  In the end the light bulb finally turned on and I got it working the way I wanted.

 

That's the bad part.  The good part is, once I got it kind'a figured out I can't go back to other products that don't have the flexibilty of putting anything anywhere in the signal chain.  Also the tone is definetley HD but it's hard to tell until you get it sounding the way you want.

 

If you decide to give it another try (I think you should) then here's a couple things that will hopefully help.

 

I had posted my tone on another thread to help someone else in a similar situation.  Here's the links again.  I plug my guitar into the PODHD and PODHD into the Effect Returns of my amps.  I don't use the 4 Cable Method.

 

Download these two tones and see if it helps point you in the right direction.

 

http://www.childreno...AngelHvyPre.hbe

http://www.childreno...olOvrDrvPre.hbe

 

Also check out the meambobo website. Line6 should be paying this guy for all the great info he has on there.  Or atleast give him free gear.

http://foobazaar.com/podhd/

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#21 TheRealZap

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:19 AM

they just released 2 new "X" models...

despite the silence, i think this is a clear indication that the Pod HD's are still considered an active product.

 

I took a break from the HD Pro for a while, in favour of soft amps such as Guitar Rig 5 and POD Farm. The other day, after the best part of 4 months, I plugged the HD back in and I was met with a mixed reaction. The sound and feel IS good. Especially now I have a real amp (the Laney IRT Studio) to compare it to. But I was also disappointed that nothing has changed since the last time I used it (and even *then* there was a distinct lack of progress with updates).

 

I feel that I have an amazing piece of gear that's reached the end of its development far too early. EQ in hz, split output modes for 1/4" and XLR, phase/delay controls on cabs for dual tone, link amp settings for dual tone, all neat little features that would be icing on an otherwise delicious cake, but that I will probably never see. It'd be nice if L6 could at least be a bit more up front about their intentions. The silence is not good.


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#22 chimp_spanner

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:04 AM

Zap - call me cynical but, I'm not convinced. Of all the issues the HD has, I don't really think DSP is the biggest. At least not for those who just need good solid, core tones. If they had've addressed any of the issues that I mentioned, I might believe that they're still actively developing the HD and really listening to customer feedback. As it is, I suspect they ran out of the old batch of processors or switched to a newer/faster model and decided to make a "new" product out of it to prevent confusion arising when new HD owners are able to run patches that old owners are not.. Perhaps I'm being impatient! I can't remember how long the X3 took to mature.

 

My real worry is that *if* they do release another firmware update before they roll out an HD1000 or an HD2...it'll be for the X only.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:12 AM

This won't happen... that and you basically nailed it with the upgraded processor but basically the same device statement...

there's no reason to exclude the older models since they are virtually the same.

 

 

My real worry is that *if* they do release another firmware update before they roll out an HD1000 or an HD2...it'll be for the X only.

 

 

I also agree that DSP isn't the issue in itself...

meaning i can do enough effects etc with the non x version...

where the upgraded DSP is needed in my opinion is the extras....

meaning seperate xlr-1/4" feed... multiple usb streams... global eq... .those types of things that the x3 could do.. (it had dual DSP's)


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:18 AM

Well, Chimp, L6 has officially stated that there will be updates, and they will affect pre-X models.
Will they release any update? As of now we only have their word. It's up to us if we decide to trust it.
It wouldn't be the first time they promise something that they never deliver (some old Vetta issues come to mind)
but the number of fulfilled promises/user-demands is bigger


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:46 AM

Inerzia - I wasn't aware they'd publicly stated their intention to continue updating it. Fair enough. And yeah Zap, I hear you. Perhaps I should get an X to prepare myself then. I'll just be mad if nothing comes of it haha. 


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:30 AM

Well, Chimp, L6 has officially stated that there will be updates, and they will affect pre-X models.
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That's good to hear. Can you point me to this statement ? I must have missed it.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:36 AM

I want to say that they stated something to that effect on their facebook page, not in the forum.

 

That's good to hear. Can you point me to this statement ? I must have missed it.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:42 PM

No idea, Silverhead, I know I read it, though.
It was something they released when the 500X came out.
Maybe a FAQ? Or, as Zap says, something on FB, I just know I read it :)


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:19 PM

they just released 2 new "X" models...

despite the silence, i think this is a clear indication that the Pod HD's are still considered an active product.

 

I thought the reason they released the X models was because the chip they were using was discontinued and the chip they replaced it with had a bit more memory so instead of letting it go to waste, decided to use it and create a new model (with other improvements like the footswitches).  Not because it was a major upgrade decision.  I do believe they will be doing more with the HD but I just don't consider the X release proof of it.  It was more a matter of taking advantage of something they had no choice in.  I know they still need to (and are working on) Workbench/HD compatibility (which I am desperately waiting for).  At the very least there will be at least one more upgrade for that.  Hopefully it will include other improvements (the EQ is a big one to me, easily fixed).  So unless they completely give up and move on, which they have done, there is still more to come!!


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:36 PM

It's funny, I don't see Fender twin, Deluxe reverb or Marshall JTM owners stressing themselves out on their respective forums about their amps next update or whether or not the manufacturer will continue to endorse their chosen product.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:38 PM

The more I read, the more convinced I am that I must be an alien...
The day they arrived I unboxed my HD500 and my JTV89, plugged, tuned, installed the drivers, the editor...
and simply started to create beautiful, detailed and lively tones... single path, dual path, clean, crunch, hi gain, fx-heavy, basic go-to patches... everything!!
Three or four hours later I had HD versions of all my main XT tones, and they were all better than the originals (except for those depending on the autowha)
because the ingredients were so much better.
At first I thought I would miss the variety of amps, and I found that having less but much better amp models to choose from was actually liberating, and it speeded 

things up. Whenever I think I miss one of the older models, I plug into the XTL and... well, I end up wishing they would make an HD version of that model, because
XT models sound so poor in comparison with the HD stuff. I do miss the bass amps though
Anyway, I've always been happy with the sounds I got out of every Line6 product I've owned, so, all I just said doesn't mean older products are crap or that I hate

how they now sound to me, I'm just saying that technology does evolve, and getting a good tone with the HD is faster and easier, and the resulting tone is better...
For me

 

An alien you are not.  I am very satisfied with my HD.  Sure there are improvements I'd like to see but I'm very pleased with it.  The patches take more work, thought and tweaking to get great than the X3 but I think that's because the sound is more raw and authentic and there are just so many more options it's easy to get lost in the routing forest.  As far as authenticity, there is a youtube video comparing a bunch of tube amps cranked to 10.  I compared the one Fender amp (I think they are all Fenders but there is only one the HD Models) in it the HD models using the same settings as him and the same guitar as he does.  Les Paul (JTV Variax), amp cranked to ten and he even uses an off axis SM57, etc., amp only, no effects.  This is going Studio direct into my computer.  So I am able to play along with the youtube through my computer for a great comparison.  I am amazed at how close they are.  So don't worry about the "it ain't an amp" tube criers. This proved to me at least one amp sim is fantastic.  Here's the youtube link if you want to check it out for yourself...

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=G0NQf0CyiQI


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:33 PM

In the news column in Audio Technology mag sums it up nicely.

Scroll down a bit to get the caption! LOLOL

http://www.audiotech...ry/news/page/4/


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:14 PM

Happy? Yes, but the HD500 is not the "be all, to end all"....

 

I've been using my HD500 as a front-end to a small AD30VT for the last three years, (modded with an effects loop to use the power section) and it's been good, and consistent.

 

I decided to upgrade to an amp with at least a 12" speaker - I wanted a "bigger" sound. I was thinking of getting a DT-25 but, you know what?

 

IT ISN'T A REAL AMP!

 

I said it. Can of worms opened. Sorry.

 

It's true - any amp with Line6 labelled on it is NOT going to get anywhere near its value come resale time. Don't get me wrong, even my old Flextone I sounds decent enough, clean and driven. But, they just do not command the value of Fender, Marshall, or almost any other "real" amp brand.

 

I ended up getting a Vox AC30CC2. Why? Because it's an amp. Pure and simple. A true-blue, analog, through and through tube amp. It will never need a firmware upgrade. It will never need to be controlled with anything else but its owner. And, it too can change its output parameters. If it breaks, it can be easily repaired. Capacitors, resistors, transformer - still available. Can anyone find an upgrade eeprom for the original Pod? 

 

Yeah, yeah, not nearly as flexible as a DT amp. Sure. I don't mean to debate "real" vs. Line 6 amps. But, it was a deciding factor for me.

 

Rant about Line6 amps aside, I used the HD500 essentially as a front-end to the Vox as well - the same as you would with a DT-25 amp. But unfortunately, the Vox has no built in ability to change channels, so that portion of the Vox, its preamp, went unused - and what a shame. And, the HD500 (without much fuss) can't switch between two paths out of the effects loop.

 

Oddly enough, a real sleeper of an amp came my way: a Peavey Bravo!  2 EL84, 25watt little dynamo! For really cheap.

 

However, the original cabinet, being WAY too stout, covered in armadillo tolex and I swear, 3/4" MDF just didn't allow its tone to bloom in a pleasant way. 

 

So, you know what I did with that old Flextone I that nobody would buy, even for $100 WITH the floorboard? I pulled the Flextone amp out, and retrotfitted the Peavey in it. And it sounds glorious even with the original Eminance speakers!

 

And the Bravo, has a sweet "almost Marshall" drive channel. It feels really good to play this bastard of an amp. But, I'd need a separate footswitch for switching the Bravo channels as the HD500 doesn't do this (like many Boss units do).

 

So, after setting up a 4CM with the HD500 and the Bravo, I found a cheap Boss GT-8. This unit does switch channels per patch, and it's a lot easier to setup and balance levels using the 4CM.

 

I will say that the Boss' overall sonic character is no match for the HD500. Especially, the amps. Hands down, the HD500 SMOKES anything with Boss on its name plate. The sonic sheen and dynamics are SO much better than the Boss.

 

Problem is, the Boss unit is just far easier to integrate into a live setup.

 

I'm not only happy with the HD500 - I love it. But sadly for me, it just isn't as flexible as I need for live use.

 

Don't PM me...I'm not selling the HD500! It will make a good backup for the 5 year older Boss unit!


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:11 PM

Happy? Yes, but the HD500 is not the "be all, to end all"....

 

 

Absolutely.  The HD500 is just one more tool in us guitarist's arsenal.  You can use it or not, as much or as little as you want.  I use it alot.  Others will use it a little.  Others not at all.  It isn't like playing a real amp next to you and a real amp isn't as sonically flexible and as easy to tote around.  Especially if you like a wide palette of sounds.  Neither is better than the other really, they are just different tools for a bunch of different jobs.  You can use either one for whatever job you have depending on your particular needs and desires.  Each has their positives and negatives.  They are not the same.  One thing I know from experience, whether it's a well mic'ed amp coming out of the PA or a well programmed HD (or even a, dare I say it, XT) which, as we know, both attempt to simulate a well mic'ed amp, almost all of the listening audience can't tell the difference and doesn't really care. And generally the ones that do are anal guitar players.  No offense, I include myself in this category a bit.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:21 AM

I love my HD 500. I don't play metal and I never use the high gain amps, so my opinion may not be useful in that regard.

I found it easy to dial in great sounds on my custom strat with EMGs, usually the Divided by 13, Deluxe or maybe the Hiwatt or a Marshall.

However, after a year or more, I'm still working on perfecting the sounds for my Ibanez AS 100 (like a 335) with EMG 89s (single and double coil). The funny thing is I got awesome sounds out of my Vox Tonelab with the Ibanez, but I have a really hard time duplicating them on the HD. The EQs don't make it easy, though they do work.

None the less, I love the Pod and think it is, as the Brits say, a brilliant piece of kit.
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