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#1 joel_brown

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:24 AM

I download the Poulin Plugin and a handful of IRs and applied them to my recorded PODHD tone.  This was an eye opener.  Wow, screw any other feature, I want to be able to download and install IRs right into the PODHD for live use.  I didn't realize how much of an improvement it was.  Plus there are thousands of IRs to choose from.  First modeler to do this for under a $700 gets my money.


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 05:40 AM

Well the Digitech GSP 1101 is able to do it, but its old.  

 

You could run that in conjunction with the Pod HD, which is what some of the users on Sevenstringforum are trying.

 

I personally am holding off upgrading my modelling setup until Digitech, and Peavey announce all their new stuff.

(I have hopes that Digitech will make an actual successor to the GSP 1101.)


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Posted 28 October 2013 - 03:51 PM

That's good to know.  Atleast someone has done it for a reasonable price.  I hope Line6 is making this a priority.  After hearing the differance it makes I'll throw the PODHD away in a heartbeat if Digitech or Peavey come out with an updated modeler that includes installable IRs.  I urge anyone who hasn't heard the differance an IR makes to download the Poulin Plugin or any plugin for IRs and check it out.  I was real satisfied with the PODHD until I heard it with an IR.  Of course finding the right IR takes a little time but there's lot of them to choose from.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 12:49 AM

Some interesting IRs here, if you're into that kind of thing > http://www.openairlib.net/


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 08:48 AM

That's good to know.  Atleast someone has done it for a reasonable price.  I hope Line6 is making this a priority.  After hearing the differance it makes I'll throw the PODHD away in a heartbeat if Digitech or Peavey come out with an updated modeler that includes installable IRs.  I urge anyone who hasn't heard the differance an IR makes to download the Poulin Plugin or any plugin for IRs and check it out.  I was real satisfied with the PODHD until I heard it with an IR.  Of course finding the right IR takes a little time but there's lot of them to choose from.

 

Digitech is announcing their new lineup at NAMM I think. (a few months from now)

 

I personally don't have an issue waiting (within reason), though I am not a Live musician.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 08:56 AM

Some interesting IRs here, if you're into that kind of thing > http://www.openairlib.net/

BTW thanks for the link, I haven't seen this one yet.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

I download the Poulin Plugin and a handful of IRs and applied them to my recorded PODHD tone.  This was an eye opener.  Wow, screw any other feature, I want to be able to download and install IRs right into the PODHD for live use.  I didn't realize how much of an improvement it was.  Plus there are thousands of IRs to choose from.  First modeler to do this for under a $700 gets my money.

Based on what you're saying you're using two impulses: that of the POD HD and the additional impulse. I think when you put two impulses in a row you do  get a unique big sound but it's not likely you will get the same sound from one Impulse.  TO get similar sound within the POD and no exterior impulses,  put the "rotary speaker simulation" with minimal speed  after the amp somehwere in you signal chain  just so you get the additional impulse (with 100% for MIX).


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 05:00 PM

i have also found the built in cab/mic sims are lackluster.  my workaround was to use what I call "dual cabs" - same amp in a dual amp path, but different cab/mics.  This can run into phasing issues with certain combinations (i have done extensive research on this: http://foobazaar.com...absMics#dualCab ).  I found by far the best combination was the Uber with 57 on axis and the XXL with 121 Ribbon.  Also Uber with 409 and XXL with 57 on axis works well.  See the my favorites section in the link above - you gotta scroll down to the end of the dual cabs section.

 

i wouldn't advise anyone to wait on L6 to give them such instrumental features.  This product line has been out for quite some time and not a peep about this.  I'm on a Kemper now and couldn't be happier.  actually i haven't even turned the HD on (not trying to dog the HD - great step forward for L6 but still plenty of room for improvement).

 

Also, keep in mind that the Digitech GSP never officially added IR loading support - that was done on the side by I believe a former developer.  I suspect companies always fear loading anything onto their hardware that may cause the unit to brick or that could potentially expose their IP.


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:29 PM

I am envious of your KPA purchase meambobbbo.  It is certainly been the buzz for a while and turns out to be a major Studio tool.

 

KPA have put out plenty of updates and huge improvements to their FX arsenal. but at 4 times the price the HD500 is pretty good.

 

In the home studio I find using with my Marshal, Fender or Peavy Valve King gives some acceptable tones.

 

I have had mune for just over a year now and still loving it but I am getting used to the Line6 wash on every patch.

 

You know ,  I have never tried IRs with the HD500 yet.

 

Hopefully that will open up the tones a bit. 


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:05 AM

It's hard to believe Line6 would ignore something like user installable IRs.  Seems to me this would be a huge selling point for them without a ton of effort.  If Digitech does it then I'm sure others will follow.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:28 AM

Does anybody actually officially do this yet?

 

As I understand it, the GSP1101 is an unofficial firmware, the AxeFx needs an unofficial file convertor, what about the KPA? Can it use an IR in WAV format, or would it still need converting?

 

Any other kit that allows WAV IRs?


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:38 AM

Does anybody actually officially do this yet?

 

The Torpedo stuff can load third party IRs, and it officially advertises the ability to do so. But, it's also isn't really a full-blown modeler.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

Based on what you're saying you're using two impulses: that of the POD HD and the additional impulse. I think when you put two impulses in a row you do  get a unique big sound but it's not likely you will get the same sound from one Impulse.  TO get similar sound within the POD and no exterior impulses,  put the "rotary speaker simulation" with minimal speed  after the amp somehwere in you signal chain  just so you get the additional impulse (with 100% for MIX).

Alternately, if you're using a VST IR loader anyway, some people on sevenstring are also using Ignite TPA-1 power amp VST, and just using the preamp models with no cab simulation.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:03 AM

what about the KPA? Can it use an IR in WAV format, or would it still need converting?

 

Any other kit that allows WAV IRs?

Using traditional IRs with Kemper is not really meaningful. Kemper captures the whole thing AMP and Cab. Even though they did provide option for separating the speaker from the AMp after customers requested, it's not really in the original intended design. It's just added variety but with other devices like AXE, POD, etc the IR can be a night and day difference.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:26 PM

I'm going to wait and see if Line6 or someone supports user installable IRs in the near future.  If nobody does then I may drop the $550 bucks for the Torpedo.  Atleast with the Torpedo I'll have the ability to use IRs with any modeler.  So if at some point I buy the Kemper, AXE, Digitech, another Line6, whatever.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:26 PM

I'm going to wait and see if Line6 or someone supports user installable IRs in the near future.  If nobody does then I may drop the $550 bucks for the Torpedo.  Atleast with the Torpedo I'll have the ability to use IRs with any modeler.  So if at some point I buy the Kemper, AXE, Digitech, another Line6, whatever.

The great thing about Torpedo in addition to what you just mentioned, is that you can record a real AMP at bedroom level or even silent recording as it's a digital load Box that can replace the speaker cab normally connected to your tube AMP. So if used with a real tube amp, it can be better quality than AXE Kemper or whatever modeler. You're actually recording the real amp instead of a digital simulation.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:48 PM

The great thing about Torpedo in addition to what you just mentioned, is that you can record a real AMP at bedroom level or even silent recording as it's a digital load Box that can replace the speaker cab normally connected to your tube AMP. So if used with a real tube amp, it can be better quality than AXE Kemper or whatever modeler. You're actually recording the real amp instead of a digital simulation.

 

Well, the more expensive Torpedo Live can do that. The Torpedo C.A.B. can't. It doesn't provide a load, so you'd have to get the signal from the amp to it some other way. The C.A.B. does have power amp modeling, so you can take a signal from an amp's effect send or preamp out and use that. But you can't really use your amp's power amp with C.A.B.


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:05 PM

In my case I was thinking of PODHD into Torpedo CAB.  That way I get the PODHD with whatever IRs I want to use.  At that point I'd have a $1000 into it.  Still less than AXE Ultra but I've seen AXE FX II for $1000 on eBay.  But I can always use the Torpedo with anything I buy in the future.


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 05:04 AM

Two Notes video of HD500 into Torpedo CAB

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sfXgcVJbtIs


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 05:36 AM

I believe IRs use a bit of processing power. Using an IR in Guitar Rig 5 jumps the CPU meter to 8-10% already on my computer.

Unless they can optimize that, it might be a bit much, especially with the DSP limit thing.


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