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#1 JeffersteinVS

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 05:22 AM

Does any one else have issues with the main volume knob? I have to turn it extremly slow or it will actually decrease the volume or get stuck going a few d.b back and forth


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:54 AM

Try Reloading the firmware update..... I have not ever had this problem. What I do notice with mine is if I turn it slow it takes a long time for it to turn off because it is in very small increments if you turn it quite fast it will jump the volume up much quicker.
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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:27 AM

Yes...the same thing is happening to me since updating...just haven't had time to reload the firmware...hopefully this will cure it..


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 04:38 PM

Haven't noticed, but isn't obvious if so. Gonna check it out.
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Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:08 AM

I dont see how peopel think reloadign the firmware fixs a issue. I work on pc hardware for a living and a firmware update yes that fixs issues. but reloading the same firmware? never . unless its because it resets the defaults of the bios


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:39 AM

Computers are not the same as this type of hardware, and i've witnessed this very action correct a number of issues.

it's easy enough to try... and works SOMETIMES... so why not give it a shot if it might help?

 

I dont see how peopel think reloadign the firmware fixs a issue. I work on pc hardware for a living and a firmware update yes that fixs issues. but reloading the same firmware? never . unless its because it resets the defaults of the bios


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Posted 01 November 2013 - 12:04 PM

Have to agree with TheRealZap on this one as well. I too am an IT specialist by trade and have been working in the field for 20+ years...I would have the same mindset as bassforlife2013..but..The M20d is a different animal than your typical PC.


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 11:34 PM

I haven't had any issues on mine and I've owned it since Aug 2012, but I was in 2 different music stores today and both demo models had a problem with the volume knob. The 1st one in SamAsh had older firmware and it got stuck very low and went back and forth and I had to press the wheel down hard to make the volume go up and the 2nd at GC had  the newer 1.2 update and wasn't as bad. The 2nd one was on sale for $1300 - still a great deal!  I also have 3 older emu keyboard modules that also have had issues with their data knobs and emu did sell replacements for theirs.  -maybe Line 6 should go down to SamAsh in hollywood and check it out.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 06:11 AM

I will try reflashing the firmware. you would think there would be some checksum that is done to verify any issues.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:10 PM

I have to agree with bassforlife2013. I design embedded hardware for a living.

 

If the m20d were suffering from bad firmware updates, there would be complaints of dead and even possibly bricked m20d units on the forum here. 

 

There is an infinitesimal chance that a firmware loading issue would result in the same encoder shaft bug every time a firmware update went bad. 

 

There's also very little chance that there is no error checking of the firmware when loaded.

The industry standard is to first check the new flash file is good, 

then load it into a clean erased flash location,

then check that the new flash programming worked via checksum(s),

then change the boot loader to aim at the new verified flash image. 

 

If at any point something goes wrong, it would just keep the previous flash version running,

or in some cases, run a permanent "safe recovery image" that can be used to retry the programming of a new image. 

 

If the firmware doesn't load properly this almost always results in a complete failure to boot, not a tiny (but important) feature acting a little strange.

 

Updating the m20d firmware is really no different than updating a PC motherboard flash rom update, or cellphone rom update etc. 

 

I too see the same bug by the way. Spin too fast and the volume can go backwards. This means some math errors at the shaft encoder logic. 

It probably means the m20d can't keep up with the volume knob messages quickly enough when the user spins it too quickly.

 

I do notice the m20d gets laggy once in a while, then seems to get back to normal.. 


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 06:36 AM

Any insight from Line6 on this issue would be appreciated!


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:58 AM

This is a hardware issue. Our customer service can help you to resolve this.

The US support team can be reached at 818-575-3600 (option 2), Mon-Fri 8am - 5 pm PST. Our busiest hours are from 11am to 2 pm.

The UK support team can be reached at +44 (0) 1788 566 555, Mon-Thurs 9am – 5pm GMT and Fri 9am – 4pm GMT.
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Posted 05 November 2013 - 08:06 AM

See how easy that was! haha...Thanks ArneLine6


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 10:36 AM

Ok..so got off the phone with the fine folks at The US support team. Apparently this is NOT a hardware issue. The encoder is designed this way...it only operates at a fixed rate of speed. If you spin the wheel too fast...it will act erratically. Must try it at a slower speed when I get home to see if it works as it should. I thought it started happening after I did the update but I guess I only just noticed it at that time...(Still think something funky is happening..lol)


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 10:49 AM

i call b.s on that, i was turning that knob slower than a turttle and it still does it to me. I have to test this witout ipads hooked up next.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 10:58 AM

Yes..that's what I will be doing this evening as well...gonna try it with different setups/scenes, etc.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:15 AM

Let me know how you make out. I will be setting up saturday to test


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:23 AM

Hi...I did test last night with different scenes/setups but with the same result. If I turn it dead slow...it works half decent but not like it should...I think it may be time for another call...They tell me that it is designed to only work at a certain rate of speed so that users will not accidentally turn it to max. I just don't recall it ever doing that before the update...


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:32 AM

Mine resists a little if you try to turn it up real fast from "level off". But then it just goes accelerating and responding better as it raises towards +15db. 

This feels right to avoid accidents... 


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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:18 PM

Mine resists a little if you try to turn it up real fast from "level off". But then it just goes accelerating and responding better as it raises towards +15db. 
This feels right to avoid accidents...


Mine also acts this way. It is the way it is "scaled" I think.
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