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#41 TheRealZap

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:58 PM

my mavericks update to the pro x was flawless and fast.

sounds like you had a gremlin.... or i had incredible luck (which never really happens....)

Just in case mac users see this...On my OSX Mavericks box the update completed and when I restarted the pedal the Mac went to a kernel panic.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:20 PM

loads of metal bands in the 80's used a JC120... including metallica....

 

what are you talking about?

 

http://en.wikipedia....and_Jazz_Chorus

 

i do understand what you mean... just think that was a poor example.

Sorry but I was referring to todays metal bands who tend to use one sound all night long.

Bands from the 80s for the most part were more versatile and didn't use presets to develope their sound - they did it by using different amps... anyway my point of having choice of amp models would be the better way to do it.

Let the user decide what amp models they want to load in their box.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:33 PM

my mavericks update to the pro x was flawless and fast.
sounds like you had a gremlin.... or i had incredible luck (which never really happens....)


I was also running Logic Pro X, VLC, and Chrome at the same time, but it occurred precisely as I pulled power from the pod. Who knows what happened
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:35 PM

i was bracing for it... and expected much the same.. as its done that to me before when power cycling.

i did turn off the audio apps though... may have had chrome open...

but for certain closed logic x, and made sure i didnt have edit open etc.

 

I was also running Logic Pro X, VLC, and Chrome at the same time, but it occurred precisely as I pulled power from the pod. Who knows what happened


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:05 AM

...anyway my point of having choice of amp models would be the better way to do it.

Let the user decide what amp models they want to load in their box...

 

in my opinion one of the best features of the pod is its great versatility, using it you can play all kinds of music ..

it is not a product focused on a specific genre of music, this is his conception, which I personally appreciate very much ..
for a producer / composer / arranger is great to have a wide palette of sounds and of high quality ..

I don't play metal, but I am glad to have
also that kind of sounds available to me in case I needed it ..

at the same time I love to have
also the pawn shop amp models, offering some connoisseurs's sounds very interesting and usable in the right context ..

having said that, I don't think the pod with all its typical versatility will change to suit the needs of anyone in particular
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it may be that in the future they could invent a new empty modeler where everyone paying proportionately charge what they want by choosing from hundreds of models, who knows, but it certainly will not be our HD to make it possible..

 

personally I'm happy with my pod as it is


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 05:16 AM

One of the most useless upgrades of the world.
They took a year or more of developing only for having pod units to work with their own StageSource speakers....no new amp, no new feature, nothing of nothing... what a delusion!


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 05:42 AM

i think 22 amps is plenty. i only want the quality of the tone upgraded if that's possible. :)  and of course any bugs. overall i'm very pleased with the pod and really have had no problems except for the logo loop which was easily solved. 

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 05:54 AM

Quote: "  I see tons of very high priced analog pedals that only do one or two things and will NEVER be updated, changed, factory reset, and nobody bitches about it.  When you buy a new computer you don't expect the manufacturer to give you new features and capabilities for free.  Microsoft doesn't give you a new OS for free (usually).  My car company doesn't call me up with free upgrades for the hell of it.  Even if Line 6 did give new amps and stuff, there would still be complainers that it wasn't enough or just what they wanted.

As for me, thanks guys, good job.   :D"

 

Well said! Makes alot of sense.And I agree but that they do is after sales service and it equals what is called "Goodwill" Goodwill is a valuable commodity. Goodwill is far far more powerful then the cleverest PR and Marketing campaign.

It can be exchanged and If you have a business that has goodwill it increases its value. It has defense value in the face of Marketing attack. Nothing kills an opposition attack like a loyal following. Manufacturing is WAR and it is WON by GOODWILL.

Clever Marketing and PR can make something known but,. never has and never will create goodwill.

GOODWILL IS EARNED by caring about your clients and delivering above and beyond what is expected and correcting quicky any flub that gets thru.

Never make your clients the quality control of your production. Always QC your product before it is released.
Just because it appears that some software companies do this does not make it an acceptable business model.

Of any of the companies that make you their QC department: do you consider they have goodwill?

You will find nothing kills goodwill like no or poor QC. Case in point. Automobile manufacturing. At one point adopted this practice of making the client the QC department and now has service yards and warranty for so long etc. Think of a Car nobody ever liked. Why? Well they are still trying to recover from it.

All those things you like about a car, reliability and looks good add up to good will.

 

It takes a special breed to run a company well. The above is antipathetic to an Accountant.They are not taught this. They are taught to cut costs to increase profit margin.

Economize yes but not at the expense of QC.

Economics comes from that word which derives from "housekeeping"

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 05:57 AM

I'm not even going to install this Firmware update. 

 

I'm real happy with the PODHD, it exceeds my expections for something < $500 bucks.  But I think the next 6 to 12 months either Line6 or Digitech or somebody will exceed the PODHD enough to make it worth switching.  With more and more devices supporting IRs, and hopefully user installable IRs, I think there will be a big leap in tone quality.

 

And hopefully Line6 will start doing EQs again that look and act like an EQ.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:25 AM

So......from inc.com:

 

2010 STATISTICS

Rank:4707

3-year growth:12%

2009 Revenue:$80.6 million

2006 Revenue:$71.8 million

Web site:line6.com

Employees:264

 

Founded:2000

Location:Calabasas, CA

Industry:Consumer Products & Services

 

 

So you guys think they can't be bothered to put resources into maintaining a current product line while developing a new one? That's a lot of money to bring in (four years ago) to only have resources to work on future product lines.....I'm sure there are a few dollars that could be allocated to fixing the EQ's or developing SELLABLE model packs. They can, but they're slowly turning into Roland/Boss with the modeling ...."Here ya go! See ya when we want another $500-$700!"


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:28 AM

I guess I see it a little bit differently.  Of course I am always happy to get updates, new features, improved workflow, etc. but I knew what I was buying and would have been quite happy if they had never updated anything.  I might still have been looking for othere options but I would not have expected it as a requirement for continued business.  I agree that it is an awesome bonus to essentially have a new piece of gear to play with and I hope they keep it up.  However, if they stop I will still have more guitar processing power at my command than almost any other piece of gear can give me at a much better price point. 

 

What I really like is their vision of a completely integrated musical SYSTEM.  They are way ahead of the curve in my opinion by offering the Variax, the DT's and now the Soundscapes as a complete system, able to interconnect and just work together in ways that make a musician's life easier.  Is it all perfect? Of course not.  Is there anything else even remotely comparable as a system, let alone near their price point? No.  I still need a JTV and maybe a Lt2 to complete my setup but then to be able to just take 3 pieces literally anywhere and set up in minutes with 1 or two cables and have the same range of tonal options with minor dial in is amazing.  Nobody else does that.

 

So I can focus on the POD updates and wish there was more company support but I prefer to recognize all the other ways they support me through new and innovative gear and capabilities that take me to the next level.  :)


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:39 AM

I agree the StageSource stuff is cool, so are the DT-series amps, Variax guitars (although limited to six-string players), and G-series wireless stuff.....but as said before, what sense does it make to produce "budget" level modeling gear that gets connected to high-priced tube amps (with suspect cabinet construction) or very high-priced full-range PA speakers? Or a $2500 mixer? I mean c'mon! At least they could come up with something unique and affordable (anybody remember that stereo full-range 4x12 sized powered cab Jet City was working on?) to fall in the middle ground. I have a hard time believing people who want to/can only spend $300-$700 on a modeler are going to spend $2500 on speakers for a stereo rig......They need to look at each product individually, as well as how they work together. Most people I know who play Line 6 do it because its the best "for the money", which means its whats affordable. Why price yourself right out of the market with your other stuff. I've been gigging 1-4 a month since the HD series was release and I have yet to see a single StageSource speaker or mixer.....anywhere. I asked a guy a GC why they don't stock them in the store and his response was "People who want to spend that kind of money will just order them. We had a set with a sub in here and it never even got turned on."....hmmmm...probably because it costs way too fvcking much.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:50 AM

I have a hard time believing people who want to/can only spend $300-$700 on a modeler are going to spend $2500 on speakers for a stereo rig......They need to look at each product individually, as well as how they work together. Most people I know who play Line 6 do it because its the best "for the money", which means its whats affordable. Why price yourself right out of the market with your other stuff. I've been gigging 1-4 a month since the HD series was release and I have yet to see a single StageSource speaker or mixer.....anywhere. I asked a guy a GC why they don't stock them in the store and his response was "People who want to spend that kind of money will just order them. We had a set with a sub in here and it never even got turned on."....hmmmm...probably because it costs way too fvcking much.

 

I think you misunderstand the purpose of the StageSource stuff. It is certainly meant to be much more than an amplification system for the POD. If that's all people want, you're probably right - they might look elsewhere. But the StageSource is a top of the line PA system (top of the line as far as portable systems go). And actually when you price it against a decent PA setup including everything that Line 6 offers, it's actually a pretty good deal.

 

I mean, it's OK if you're not interested in it all, but don't assume your preferences are universal to everyone. I have to believe that no one knows the market better than those whose survival is actually pinned to it.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:17 AM

I'm not saying its not a useful product...but why spend the time integrating such disparate pieces of equipment when MORE of your users would RATHER see the individual products work better at their primary job (StageSource stuff should be updated for best PA performance long before integrating budget modeling, just as the HD series should be updated to be the best modeler it can be, instead of interfacing with a high-priced PA speaker). It is meant to be more than a POD amp, but its also designed to be just that.....I love my Line 6 stuff, but I think they're either spreading themselves too thin, or just not giving a sh1t.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:25 AM

I'm not saying its not a useful product...but why spend the time integrating such disparate pieces of equipment when MORE of your users would RATHER see the individual products work better at their primary job (StageSource stuff should be updated for best PA performance long before integrating budget modeling, just as the HD series should be updated to be the best modeler it can be, instead of interfacing with a high-priced PA speaker). It is meant to be more than a POD amp, but its also designed to be just that.....I love my Line 6 stuff, but I think they're either spreading themselves too thin, or just not giving a sh1t.

 

Frankly, I'd say you're not in a position to say what most of the users want.

 

I get it. You're upset that there aren't new amp models or whatnot. But I suspect Line 6 has its reasons for doing what it's doing.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:31 AM

It's obvious that they are investing heavily in the live gear..... the fact that they thought enough of current line6 users to make this stuff more usable for us is a good thing... not a bad thing...

the investment in this upgrade for the pods likely came from the live gear side and not the pod side... meaning we're lucky they gave it any consideration...

it's not a bad update... just not terribly useful to some... i'm sure the pod side of the house is still working and that we'll see something from them at some point.

 

**disclaimer... this is my opinion... i don't claim this as fact as its not based on any inside information... just seems pretty obvious to me.

 

I'm not saying its not a useful product...but why spend the time integrating such disparate pieces of equipment when MORE of your users would RATHER see the individual products work better at their primary job (StageSource stuff should be updated for best PA performance long before integrating budget modeling, just as the HD series should be updated to be the best modeler it can be, instead of interfacing with a high-priced PA speaker). It is meant to be more than a POD amp, but its also designed to be just that.....I love my Line 6 stuff, but I think they're either spreading themselves too thin, or just not giving a sh1t.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:38 AM

Thousands of posts does not an authority make.

 

I'm not basing my considerations off of my own desires. Look at fvckin IdeaScale, look at the gazillions of other guitarists forums where they talk about Line 6 and HD-series stuff. Nobody is happy about it except the people who have ALL of the gear...which, from what I can tell, is a very small portion of Line 6's users...like I said before, I gig all the time with tons of different bands and I have yet to see a stagesource speaker, and now that I think of it, even a DT amp anywhere but in magazines and the internet...lots of different PODs, but NONE of that other stuff. If the company doesn't want to think about what we want, why ask us? Why create IdeaScale?


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:41 AM

not every idea is going to be implemented into their current (as in released in 2010) pods....

i'm 100% positive that the ideascale content will be highly considered in their research and development of new products...

likely with many things being trickled down into the current products... but it all takes time....

 

Thousands of posts does not an authority make.

 

I'm not basing my considerations off of my own desires. Look at fvckin IdeaScale, look at the gazillions of other guitarists forums where they talk about Line 6 and HD-series stuff. Nobody is happy about it except the people who have ALL of the gear...which, from what I can tell, is a very small portion of Line 6's users...like I said before, I gig all the time with tons of different bands and I have yet to see a stagesource speaker, and now that I think of it, even a DT amp anywhere but in magazines and the internet...lots of different PODs, but NONE of that other stuff. If the company doesn't want to think about what we want, why ask us? Why create IdeaScale?


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:51 AM

I'm not basing my considerations off of my own desires. Look at fvckin IdeaScale, look at the gazillions of other guitarists forums where they talk about Line 6 and HD-series stuff. Nobody is happy about it except the people who have ALL of the gear...which, from what I can tell, is a very small portion of Line 6's users...like I said before, I gig all the time with tons of different bands and I have yet to see a stagesource speaker, and now that I think of it, even a DT amp anywhere but in magazines and the internet...lots of different PODs, but NONE of that other stuff. If the company doesn't want to think about what we want, why ask us? Why create IdeaScale?

 

Meh, people see what they want to see. The problem with forums is that they can easily be dominated by a handful of posters. Even over at a place like The Gear Page, which is supposedly the largest guitar forum around, the sub-forums consist mainly of a maybe a few dozen poster talking at each other.

 

I still maintain that no one wants Line 6 to succeed more than Line 6. I think they know more what the average user wants more than any of us. They know the sales numbers. They know the number of complaints. They have all of that. I don't think they're necessarily done with development on the HD line, but I also don't think people are going to get everything they want. My personal opinion is still that the middle of the bell curve on modeling products is a user who probably doesn't care that much about updates. I could be wrong about that, though.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:58 AM

you're right, that is the middle of the bell curve, and those are the guys who trade up for the newest, coolest, cheapest, whatever. most guitar players I know are like that..tone chasers that don't stick to anything....the people who ask for stuff are the people who want to keep using a product or feel some brand loyalty, that's why they're asking...if there are million people who are "ok" with it but will buy anything that's close or new and 100,000 that will stick with a brand because they keep them interested, I think that's a good enough reason to keep up with it.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:58 AM

I think if I were selling an evolving product line I'd rather sell and support (for while) a million new things than indefinitely continue to support and update (for free) old products with no new sales. Seems like a no-brainier for your average MBA.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:05 AM

That's exactly my point. It's no longer a profit center, so it does not make any business sense to continue targeting updates for it. Target the new produce, and if backwards compatibility can be achieved at no cost then do it, but don't spend any time focusing on a discontinued product.

Line6 is a technology company that focuses on music tech, not a musical instrument company that focuses on technology.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:06 AM

I'm sorry, I thought I was talking about customer service and support, not the best way to make money. Its like you guys work for them or something....

 

"Well, its better for me if they sell everything and put out a new item every year instead of keeping up with old stuff, cause that way they make more money and I can keep buying new lollipop that's just a little different than last years."

 

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:28 AM

I am talking about customer service and support. Specifically, for how long does it make sense to provide ongoing support for digital products? That's a critical business decision for any manufacturer of such products, because resources expended there are resources that are not available to develop new products to remain competitive with evolving technology.

Taken to its extreme you would have a company that produces a single good product, sells a bunch, decides to allocate all it's resources to providing free customer service and product support, maybe sells a few more units over time, and eventually goes out of business when the inherent technical limitations of it's now-obsolete product results in no revenues.

Of course that's an extreme example. But the point is that the resource allocation call (support of existing products vs. development of new products) is one of the most important business decisions a company must make. And they are in the best position to make that call. Not me, and not you. They will receive and consider user feedback to help them make the call. One can agree or disagree with them. But the fact that one disagree does not mean they are not listening, nor that they are making the wrong call. It simply means that one disagrees.

.... and no, I don't work for them.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:34 AM

Fairly certain that if I worked for them I wouldn't have the stupid questions that I do
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:16 AM

I like the update. Set my DT master volume where I want it and adjust overall volume with master on HD500. Very useful feature for a live player like me that hates having to run to his amp to make an adjustment that he can't hear because he's directly in front of his amp instead of out where the stage sweet spot is. Great update, and I appreciate it.
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:25 AM

I agree the StageSource stuff is cool, so are the DT-series amps, Variax guitars (although limited to six-string players), and G-series wireless stuff.....but as said before, what sense does it make to produce "budget" level modeling gear that gets connected to high-priced tube amps (with suspect cabinet construction) or very high-priced full-range PA speakers? Or a $2500 mixer? I mean c'mon! At least they could come up with something unique and affordable (anybody remember that stereo full-range 4x12 sized powered cab Jet City was working on?) to fall in the middle ground. I have a hard time believing people who want to/can only spend $300-$700 on a modeler are going to spend $2500 on speakers for a stereo rig......They need to look at each product individually, as well as how they work together. Most people I know who play Line 6 do it because its the best "for the money", which means its whats affordable. Why price yourself right out of the market with your other stuff. I've been gigging 1-4 a month since the HD series was release and I have yet to see a single StageSource speaker or mixer.....anywhere. I asked a guy a GC why they don't stock them in the store and his response was "People who want to spend that kind of money will just order them. We had a set with a sub in here and it never even got turned on."....hmmmm...probably because it costs way too fvcking much.

Before I go further.  I don't work for Line 6.

 

The StageSource firmware upgrade supports Line6's DreamRig concept of JTV---->PODHD---->L2m.   Which runs in total $2700.  Show me an analog system Strat, Marshall 1/2 stack and a couple of stomps that aren't in that price range.  This is Line 6s vision........and frankly it is something I have bought into hook line and sinker.

 

I completed my DreamRig last month when I purchased a L2t. $750.  With one stroke I hooked up my HD500 via line6 link.  No complicated 4 wire hook ups.  No breaking my back with amps and spreaker.  Just a small 800 wat frfr package.  With in minutes I was hearing accoustic patches that were wonderful and in the next second the ballsiest heavy grunged patch you could imaging.  If you just consider the HD500 and L2t for a price point of $1350 that is incredible, show me something better?  BTW if you want stereo add another $650. 

 

With out a doubt, I would say to anyone who has a HD500, Take a serious look at the L2t/L2m.  For those of use who have bought into modeling and are focused on the sound, you will not be disappointed. 

 

We are only talking about the uses for a guitarist, If you want to do a small intimate accoustic gig, no problem the L2t has an onboard mixer that will accomodate a mic, an accoustic, the HD500, an MP3 player.  Good luck trying that on your 4 cable system. 

 

I could go on and on.  With that in context I think it is a great move that Line 6 released the firmware update for StageScape.  Go Line 6 Go.......


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:45 AM

so we found one person with the whole rig...maybe there's like five more of you on here....I get it, its useful...useful to a majority, not even close.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:26 PM

so we found one person with the whole rig...maybe there's like five more of you on here....I get it, its useful...useful to a majority, not even close.

 

This forum is littered with the following question........

 

What are you using to amplify your HD500?........Why do my patches sound like crap, using a guitar amp?.....How do you hook up using 4 cables?  What mode should I use?  Every HD owner, or more specifically every owner of an amp modeling pedal is a potential customer of StageScape.  So yeah, if I was Line 6 and had to balance support for HD500 (create more amps, fx and more functionality) or enhance the FRFR capabilities so you can sell more hardware, that is a no brainer.  Duh.

 

The only thing I want to know is when do they plan on replacing the HD products.  Hopefully, they are already working on it and they are taking our suggestions and adding/fixing all the stuff we would like in the HD.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:34 PM

i fail to see why you are so against an update that is clearly and simply not for you....

maybe it will be your turn next time little johnny... til then play nice.

 

so we found one person with the whole rig...maybe there's like five more of you on here....I get it, its useful...useful to a majority, not even close.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:42 PM

They have two different user bases. People who are looking for a budget modeler are not looking to spend $1500 on two (of the smaller) PA speakers. Most people running PODS (that I have actually witnessed) either run into the FX return of a tube head, a small SS power amp/cab, or they go straight in with various monitor applications. I run into a Crate Powerblock with a 4x12, but if I had the $1500 to spend on amplification, it would probably go into something like an Axe FX/Kemper and still play through my guitar speakers.

 

If your patches sound like crap through a guitar amp, that's your fault and getting more gear isn't gonna instantly make you sound good. Not understand 4CM doesn't mean you should spend over a grand on PA speakers. Having stuff that connects with one XLR doesn't automatically mean you won't sound like sh!t. People who think this way cycle through gear and never stick with anything, cause they think they're supposed to just sound good cause someone else does with the same stuff.

 

I'm not even that upset about it, I just don't understand the defense for this basically useless (for MOST people) update....they coulda held off and offered this stuff with other useful items. I guess it makes to be swimming in fanboys around here.


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#72 stormstudios

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:58 PM

I would have liked this update to include some sort of MIDI-over-USB functionality. I would prefer to send the MIDI patch changes over USB instead of hooking up a MIDI interface. I currently send MIDI-over-USB to my 11R and it will send the MIDI change to the POD HD Pro with a small MIDI cable but I'd like to take just the Pod to some smaller gigs and not have to hook up some smaller MIDI interface.

 

That would have been nice.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

Why isn't the diesel (diety's son), the orange model, and the 5150ii (not to mention other great models) available for pod hd??? But they are available for other pods?? that makes no sense... I would gladly pay for that metal pack
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

the old models don't work on the new pods... and those models weren't modeled for the new pods...

the amps on the current pods have NOTHING to do with what was done on the old pods....

and i'm sure they had plenty of requests for other models....

not sure why you think your 3 old favorites need to be a priority or why crying about their absence in this thread makes sense to you... but ok!

maybe it will happen at some point...

 

Why isn't the diesel (diety's son), the orange model, and the 5150ii (not to mention other great models) available for pod hd??? But they are available for other pods?? that makes no sense... I would gladly pay for that metal pack


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:44 PM

When I first saw this last night I was thrilled. It was like WOW Line6 WOW

 

I felt like a heel as I just posted Fractal AxeII update a few days ago to show what the goodwill for a 4-5 times the cost model looks like.

 

As I read down the list of fixes I knew it wasn't for me as I mainly use mine for recording and only the occasional gig.

 

Anyway good on Line 6 for putting out an update for Line 6 rig users,

 

It is support and shows they care.

 

Well Done!


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 03:33 PM

well I applied the update with no issues on my 500.  So now the master volume knob on the 500 works with my DT.  Only it doesn't match the master on the DT, it only regulates the POD output level.  Prior to the update the POD output stayed at 100% and the only way to lower volume was with the amp channel volume or the DT Master.  Now we can crank the DT master for the power section tubes without blowing the windows out by just lowering the POD master instead of playing with the amp channel.

 

I tried it tonight and it seems to be the case.  It is going to take a lot more play time to work with but essentially I should never have to use LVM again.

 

And as for anything else, I don't give a crap.  I see tons of very high priced analog pedals that only do one or two things and will NEVER be updated, changed, factory reset, and nobody bitches about it.  When you buy a new computer you don't expect the manufacturer to give you new features and capabilities for free.  Microsoft doesn't give you a new OS for free (usually).  My car company doesn't call me up with free upgrades for the hell of it.  Even if Line 6 did give new amps and stuff, there would still be complainers that it wasn't enough or just what they wanted.

 

As for me, thanks guys, good job.   :D

 

Ah...but if you turn the output level of the POD down using the Master, does turning up the Master on the DT still drive the tubes? Doesn't reducing the output of the POD end up reducing how hard the tubes are getting hit, or does cranking the Master on the DT compensate, albeit at a lower dB level?

 

You mentioned you tried this already, with good results - so I'm really encouraged...


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 03:51 PM

Ah...but if you turn the output level of the POD down using the Master, does turning up the Master on the DT still drive the tubes? Doesn't reducing the output of the POD end up reducing how hard the tubes are getting hit, or does cranking the Master on the DT compensate, albeit at a lower dB level?

 

You mentioned you tried this already, with good results - so I'm really encouraged...

 

You got it right. Adjusting the master volume on the HD doesn't equal adjusting the master volume on the DT. They're still independent volume controls. It's just that now with the update, the HD's master volume isn't automatically bypassed when you use the L6 Link connection. I think the functional aspect is that it just gives you another way to make minor volume adjustments without having to touch the amp.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:03 PM

that is a great question and I am not qualified to answer it in detail, but here is how I see it.  A tube is a variable output electrical device with two inputs: the steady high voltage controlled by the Amp Master and the modulated low voltage signal supplied from the preamp (POD Master).  The modulated low voltage signal varies the output of the tube as it is applied to the high voltage from the amp.  

 

So you have two options to reach the same output level:

1. A strong high voltage signal with small modulation applied (amp master up, pod master down).

2. A weak high voltage signal with large modulation applied (amp master down, pod master up)

 

If I understand things right, you get better headroom, hence more touch response and dynamics with 1.  I don't necessarily think the tubes are being driven harder, more that they have more potential to be driven with the amp master up.  Better transient response and better tone.  At least this upgrade gives us the option to play with it and so far to my ears it seems better.   :)


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:04 PM

Okay, so at one point after one of the past updates, my Variax 500  stopped working through the digital cable (forget the update number)..As a result I couldn't get into workbench through my pod 500..All this time I thought it was my guitar, so I finally brought it in and the tech could not find anything wrong with the guitar..The cable is fine as well as the guitar, so he asked me to bring in my pod which I haven't done yet....After reading this thread, I'm just wondering if a re-flash of my pod and the latest update will fix this...I thought I read that this was one of the issues they addressed with this.Again, all this time I thought it was my guitar, but fingers crossed it could very well be some buggy thing with the pod..

 

This also gets me thinking...Are we really there yet with the technology? I realize that the variax 500 is getting old now, but is the technology just seems too un-stable and buggy to be relied on?..I equate this to when cars first started having computers, and sensors.All the problems people had before it was ironed out..Anyways, that's a different subject...As far as new amp models go, I just can't think of anything other than mybe some sort of real clean for acoustic plug in perhaps..We have enough amps...Maybe a model pack that people can purchase.Focus on the imrovements to what we already have (e.q's, bug fixes,etc.).

L-6  don't owe new models to us for free.


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:08 PM

I agree, it's a great update for DT amp users.

It's a pitty it wasn't more yet but I also feel there will be more coming.


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