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#21 TheRealZap

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:37 PM

its almost comical to see someone that owns all those great amps, cry for digital models...

just saying....

 

Come on Line 6 - more models please!

Check The Ideas page - lots of good amp suggestions there.

I'm just wondering where Line 6 got half of the amps they modelled.

Because my Marshall 800, Vox AC 30 & Fender Deluxe blows all of those amps away.

Where's the 5150, 5E3 Tweed Deluxe, 63 6G6-B Bassman, etc.


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#22 tim1953

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:00 PM

its almost comical to see someone that owns all those great amps, cry for digital models...

just saying....

Yeah I guess it does.

I use those amps in the studio and when my full band does live shows but I use the HD 500 for Duo gigs so I don't have to haul the amps on gigs where they won't fit anyway.

Line 6 has a basic good product there that they just need better sources to model.

There's just too many good amps out there to be wasting time on pawn shop stuff like the Gibtone 185 & Super O.

If I only have 16 amps to choose from I'd rather they would be real work horses like the ones I've mentioned.

I mean come on the Marshall 800 they modelled sounds like crap.

I've had dozens of 800s come through my studio over the past 20 years (on top of the one I own) and none of them sounds as shitty as the one in the HD 500.

I can't get it to sound good no matter what.

It's so bad that I bought a Tech 21 Marshall pedal and run it through the HD 500 effects loop.

At least it sounds like a Marshall.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:03 PM

The secret to the JCM800 model, revolves around getting the master volume (in the deep edit parameters) right.

I don't use it much, but i do remember figuring that out.

the actual amp models are up over 20 now, i wanna say 23-24.

the one model i want more than any other is a JC-120. closest to that now is the SLO clean. (IMO)


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#24 wtf_lol_0__o

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:30 PM

Guys
I updated the flash and now I'm having problems with the 500X EDIT :(


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#25 gunpointmetal

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:41 AM

Part of the cost one pays when they buy the AxeFx is the cost of continuing targeted support. Fractal has a very small product line, so they can focus on updates. It's also expected to be more frequent for an item in that price range.

A $500 piece of kit from a company with a large and varied product line won't get the same level of attention.

Yeah, I'd like more attention paid to my HD500, but I'm not upset that incremental updates are few and far between or that they don't address every individual desire.

Line 6 has a lot more resources than Fractal, I would imagine.....also, Line 6 has made a conscious choice to focus outside their bread and butter and if they continue, they'll be a much smaller company selling boutique PA equipment to rich kids, venues, and touring bands....They could at least make a FRFR amplification option that is on par price-wise with the HD stuff....I don't understand the thought process that people are going to a get a "budget" modeler and then spend 3-4 times as much on amplification. If I had the money to buy StageSource stuff, I'd probably go with QSC anyways, as have   A LOT of other people. I'm glad they fixed a two year old problem for some of you......finally. Maybe someday they'll actually look at IdeaScale.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:22 AM

Line 6 has a lot more resources than Fractal, I would imagine.....also, Line 6 has made a conscious choice to focus outside their bread and butter and if they continue, they'll be a much smaller company selling boutique PA equipment to rich kids, venues, and touring bands...

 

L6 has more overall resources in general. They also haven't got a core product line - they're distributed. The POD is no longer their "bread and butter." They do amplifiers, live sound reinforcement, effects, microphones, etc. No one line is getting more attention than another - the new product is getting the attention. This is to protect them in case one of their product lines fails. 

They're a larger company, and they focus on what's next. Like many other similar companies they tend to ignore the older product in favor of the newer product. They produce a product that provides the same experience regardless of the user or environment.

 

Fractal, on the other hand, has a single product. They're the boutique operation. They provide a single, very high end, guitar processing solution that is designed for a very particular customer base. Their entire existence surrounds that single product and it's customers. They produce a product that fits exactly what the individual customer is seeking. It's quite the opposite of what L6 does. 

 

Apples and Oranges. 


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:30 AM

expensive apples and cheap apples, dude.....just cause Fractal only does one thing, doesn't give L6 an excuse to slack off. To me, these firmware updates are akin to service packs for an operating system...yeah, you don't get a whole new OS for free (sometimes), but you do get continual updates until either the hardware can't go any further, or the OS is completely obsolete....so unless they are coming out with a whole new series in the next month or so, they should probably see what people are asking from the current product and provide it. And, if they are coming out with something new, say so! You don't have to say a whole bunch, but at least say "Hey everybody, we put all of our effort into a new modeling series, so there won't be any more big updates for the HD series other than bug fixes." How lollipop hard is that?


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:44 AM

expensive apples and cheap apples, dude.....just cause Fractal only does one thing, doesn't give L6 an excuse to slack off. To me, these firmware updates are akin to service packs for an operating system...yeah, you don't get a whole new OS for free (sometimes), but you do get continual updates until either the hardware can't go any further, or the OS is completely obsolete....so unless they are coming out with a whole new series in the next month or so, they should probably see what people are asking from the current product and provide it. And, if they are coming out with something new, say so! You don't have to say a whole bunch, but at least say "Hey everybody, we put all of our effort into a new modeling series, so there won't be any more big updates for the HD series other than bug fixes." How lollipop hard is that?


And watch your current revenue drop to zero during your capital-intensive development stage? Not a chance. Suicide by honesty.
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:53 AM

That's why you keep updating your products you already have out until the new one is ready...this isn't some dude in his bedroom programming all night.....they should be able to work on new things and keep the current line-up fresh. then when the new one is ready, say so.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:37 AM

That's why you keep updating your products you already have out until the new one is ready...this isn't some dude in his bedroom programming all night.....they should be able to work on new things and keep the current line-up fresh. then when the new one is ready, say so.


So where do you allocate the manpower? The new product or the old one? What's the ratio of dedication? How much do you spend before you write off the old one and completely concentrate on the new? That team working on updating the old one? They could be getting your new product to the market faster. Which path has the greatest payoff?
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 11:38 AM

I will have to download the new firmware for my 500. I like the idea of the Pod master volume being adjustable now. Thanks L6!
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#32 Metalchef

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 01:34 PM

Nothing but problems downloading firmware can't even get it to upload from file. New drivers installed. And running still getting error code. Ugghhh
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

That's why you keep updating your products you already have out until the new one is ready...this isn't some dude in his bedroom programming all night.....they should be able to work on new things and keep the current line-up fresh. then when the new one is ready, say so.


For L6's business model this would not work. You put your talent on the new gear. If it happens to be backwards compatible then it's an added benefit, but if not who cares. It's a legacy product. It's not generating any revenue for you, so why make it a cost center?
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:06 PM

Just a reminder to everyone that with any Firmware update you need to recalibrate your expression pedal.  Refer to instructions in the POD HD500 Pilot's Handbook, pg 16.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:15 PM

One of the advertised selling points for the "NEW POD HD 500" was that this new product would keep evolving and that the user would be able to download new amps and features - in other words the product would not become obsolete like earlier models.

Well where's the new amp models?

I would even be open to paying for new amp models.

That seems like a reasonable way to go.

That way a customer could pay for the models they want and not have memory space taken up with stuff they're not ever going to use.

Medal guys have no use for a Roland JC 120 or a Fender Deluxe and the mellow rock guys don't need all the hi-gain stuff.


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:24 PM

Just in case mac users see this...On my OSX Mavericks box the update completed and when I restarted the pedal the Mac went to a kernel panic.


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#37 silverhead

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:26 PM

Make sure your driver is up to date.
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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:36 PM

Just a reminder to everyone that with any Firmware update you need to recalibrate your expression pedal.  Refer to instructions in the POD HD500 Pilot's Handbook, pg 16.

 

good advice radatats.. ;)

 

to be even more on the safe side I did also a global settings reset, as we had to do with the previous firmwares..

 

1 - flashing

2 - global reset

3 - pedal calibration

 

as written here:

http://line6.com/sup...update-man-r160


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:38 PM

good advice radatats.. ;)
 
to be even more on the safe side I did also a global settings reset, as we had to do with the previous firmwares..
 
1 - flashing
2 - global reset
3 - pedal calibration
 
as written here:
http://line6.com/sup...update-man-r160


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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:55 PM

loads of metal bands in the 80's used a JC120... including metallica....

 

what are you talking about?

 

http://en.wikipedia....and_Jazz_Chorus

 

i do understand what you mean... just think that was a poor example.

 

 

Medal guys have no use for a Roland JC 120 or a Fender Deluxe and the mellow rock guys don't need all the hi-gain stuff.


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