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#1 oleus

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:54 PM

since i'm not big into alternate tunings and don't really need a guitar with pickups (have some good ones already) - is the advancement in processing in the JTVs a huge jump over the older Variax models?

 

I liked the idea of being able to overwrite ALL of the banks on the old Variax models, while still being able to re-access the original untouched model banks.

 

so someone please convince me, i am taking the plunge on a variax very soon (my HD500 needs one!)


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#2 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 03:18 PM

Which old model are you comparing to.  There is a big difference in the guitar quality between the 300, 500, 600, 700.  I have a 500 and now a JTV69S and I would say that it is a nicer guitar but not by a lot.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 04:06 PM

Which old model are you comparing to.  There is a big difference in the guitar quality between the 300, 500, 600, 700.  I have a 500 and now a JTV69S and I would say that it is a nicer guitar but not by a lot.


I'm considering any of them except for the 300. I had a 500 a few years ago matched with an x3 live and was very happy with it. I thought the actual modeling was identical across those models and the main difference was the guitar build quality itself. Is this not correct?

I'm mostly curious about the modeling improvements in the JTVs.
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#4 silverhead

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 04:13 PM

You are correct. All pre-JTV Variax models use the same modeling; the differences are in the build quality.

 

I think the JTV modeling is much improved over all pre-JTV versions (especially with v2.0 firmware), and so is the build quality - but I know others will differ on both of these points.

 

I think you already are convinced that you want a JTV; you just want some support so that you can rationalize your desire. So go ahead - get it.


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#5 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 05:47 PM

I do like my JTV69 more than my 500.  I like having the mag pickups.  I like the alternate tuning options at my fingertips.  The models are better - but I am not sure I would say "much better".  The guitar build quality is maybe a tad better but there is nothing wrong with the build quality on my 500 either.  The necks are very similar.


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#6 clay-man

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:19 PM

Easy. 

 

1) Better piezos = better sound in the modeling. The modeling was the same originally, but even the piezos made it sound better

2) HD update. Now, this is where they actually do change the modeling. It's completely changed, nothing is the same. With the new technology in modeling hardware and software, it's going to be a no brainer.

3) Features the POD HD can do with the JTV that it can't with the old Variaxes

4) build quality is way better

 

5 and most importantly to me) The alt tuning knob. This is the ice breaker that makes me want to get a JTV like crazy. I fill up the model knob incredibly fast with duplicates of the same guitars but with different tunings. It gets annoying REALLY fast, and I really would love to cut down that wasted space in favor for extra guitar models I'd love to pull up on my variax alone without a POD involved. 

I have many models that I made that are sitting on my hard drive that I'd love to rip apart on a Variax, but a lot of times I leave them off for tuning versatility over tone versatility, because a lot of stuff I play is in different tunings.

 

2 and 5 are the most important ones in my opinion.

 

I have a 600 because I can't afford a JTV. If I did get a JTV, it would be all or nothing, and that would be a 69s black with a maple fretboard, and that's at least 1.4k, and I don't even have close to 1k.


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:37 PM

Easy. 

 

4) build quality is way better

 

I may be in the minority here, but I would disagree on this point. My Variax 700s, which are Japanese built, and PRS style, are MUCH better build quality than my Korean JTV 59.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 01:02 AM

I totally agree. My 700s is better quality than my JTV 89.

The HD 2.0 strat modells are crap.

JTV:  faster processor (less input lags), additional magnetic pickups (better palm muting). 

700: higher Quality. I prefer the acustic models.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 03:53 AM

I totally agree. My 700s is better quality than my JTV 89.

The HD 2.0 strat modells are crap.

JTV:  faster processor (less input lags), additional magnetic pickups (better palm muting). 

700: higher Quality. I prefer the acustic models.

Agree! And on my 700 there was no lag when I change pickups.

 

IMO, put some graphtech on your Variax, this will improve your sound and make the piezos last longer, and wait for the 3rd gen Variax


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#10 phil_m

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:20 AM

Well, I used to have an original Variax 300, which I know was the low end of the line, so it's not entirely apples to oranges, but the modeling was the same across the line. Even before the HD update, I thought the modeling and responsiveness on the JTV was much better than the original. With the HD update, I feel that the guitar feels much more like a real guitar than the original Variax and even the earlier firmware. Mine is my main guitar now, and that's out of about a dozen guitars I own. So I'd say it does its job very well.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 02:34 PM

"since i'm not big into alternate tunings and don't really need a guitar with pickups (have some good ones already) - is the advancement in processing in the JTVs a huge jump over the older Variax models?

 

I liked the idea of being able to overwrite ALL of the banks on the old Variax models, while still being able to re-access the original untouched model banks.

 

so someone please convince me, i am taking the plunge on a variax very soon (my HD500 needs one!)"

 

OK this is MY barrow to push...

If you want opinion that is, but if you are simply looking for affirmation to do it, then look away - avert your gaze now!!!

 

Just don't do it - not yet anyway. People have varying opinion about whether the new firmware for JTV is actually "better" - it's different, and maybe not all for the good.

 

What is your favourite guitar to play? A Gibson/Fender/Whatever?

 

There is going to be compromise either way you go (original vax or JTV). I didn't know you couldn't overwrite models on the JTV, so if that's true, then I'll add that to the list of reasons to NOT buy one.

 

I had a 600 as my main stage guitar, but it always lacked the feel of my previous "player",(my 1970 Strat), which I have now put out to pasture so to speak. The 600 was ok, but definitely "not a Strat".

 

My solution was to buy me a couple of Strat copies at a hundred bucks each, transfer the guts from the 600 (and also another 300 I bought for the same reason), and hey presto! Two guitars which have all the playability (upgraded to Graphtech nut and piezos), and also all the flexibility when connected to my HD500 I could hope for. It was a bit of a learning experience, but I had dismantled/rebuilt and worked on the playability of guitars before, so I relished the challenge.

So for quite a bit less money than the price of a JTV, I have TWO great players!

 

Rant over.

 


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#12 silverhead

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 03:03 PM

"since i'm not big into alternate tunings and don't really need a guitar with pickups (have some good ones already) - is the advancement in processing in the JTVs a huge jump over the older Variax models?
 
I liked the idea of being able to overwrite ALL of the banks on the old Variax models, while still being able to re-access the original untouched model banks.
 
so someone please convince me, i am taking the plunge on a variax very soon (my HD500 needs one!)"
 
.... I didn't know you couldn't overwrite models on the JTV, so if that's true, then I'll add that to the list of reasons to NOT buy one.
 
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Just to clarify - that's not true. You can overwrite JTV models.
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Posted 21 December 2013 - 03:18 PM

Just to clarify - that's not true. You can overwrite JTV models.

Thanks for the clarity! I'll scrub that one off the list ;)


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#14 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 06:08 PM

I was not sure what the poster was asking here.  Does he already own a Variax and want to know if he should upgrade?  If he does not own a Variax I would recommend going with a JTV for sure.


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#15 oleus

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:04 PM

I was not sure what the poster was asking here. Does he already own a Variax and want to know if he should upgrade? If he does not own a Variax I would recommend going with a JTV for sure.

I do not currently own a variax. I owned a variax 500 (sunburst with the dark pick guard) that I was very happy with but sold when I found myself not playing much and chose to sell.

I very much appreciate the responses in this thread - I'm intrigued by the old 700's, love the look and build of those , but buying a jtv isn't much more expensive at the price point especially considering 700's are all used.

I guess I should narrow my question to - what exactly is different about the modeling in the jtv's? I am less concerned with strat modeling as I have a strat - I liked the rickenbacker modeling in the 500 I owned, the Gibson modeling seemed muddy so I'm curious about those two in particular. I'm definitely getting one I'm just weighing between a lightly used 700 and a new jtv at this point.
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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:12 AM

Stil the Strat models in HD 2.0 are crap. Thin and .....Luckily you don´t Need them. The LesPauls are good in 2.0

Maybe L6 brings out an update


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#17 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 06:32 AM

I don't think the 2.0 strat models are crap.  Maybe they were better before but they are very usable and you can tweak them with workbench if you don't like the tone.


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#18 phil_m

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 10:49 AM

The 2.0 Strat models definitely aren't crap at least as I'm concerned. I currently have 5 Strats in my possession, and I'd put the JTV up against any of them. I don't know what people think the JTV model should sound like to be honest with you. Sounds like a real Strat to me.
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#19 clay-man

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 12:33 PM

from variax users to strat haters united?


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 03:03 PM

if its a choice between a 700 an JTV, and you have an HD500, get the JTV.  You might as well take advantage of the functionality you have in the hd500.


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