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#41 aeugle

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 11:31 PM

what product from graphtec did you use?


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 02:18 AM

Ghost saddle set PN8000


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#43 clay-man

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 02:39 AM

Ghost saddle set PN8000

This should work on any old model right?

 

I'm going to switch to ghosts in the future. I'm tired of LR Baggs. I just got a new piezo half a year ago and it's already rusted, and I heard some weird crackling noises a few nights ago.

 

Piezos crapping out is not something I want to deal with. They are 12 dollars a piece, but come on. It requires taking out my bridge, detatching the cable that goes to the motherboard, soldering, then putting it all back together. I don't want to have to do that every year.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 03:17 AM

yes it is for every old variax.Do it, i change them on 2010, if you do it correctly then you will have no problem again.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 06:52 AM

I switched my Variax 300 to the Graphtech saddles almost three years ago. Sounds much better, and never had a piezo problem since.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:26 AM

yes it is for every old variax.Do it, i change them on 2010, if you do it correctly then you will have no problem again.

 

forgive me Aris, but I remember you lately said you had some problems with your GraphTech saddles..

and I still don't know if you solved your issue and how..

 

http://line6.com/sup...oblems/?p=23458

 

 

I switched my Variax 300 to the Graphtech saddles almost three years ago. Sounds much better, and never had a piezo problem since.

 

tell me if I'm wrong, but I imagine that since you have a JTV you are not still playing your 300 that much.. therefore your "never had a piezo problem since" statement is surely true, and appreciated, but as a guarantee can not be reassuring all that much, when you play your 300 maybe once a year to remember the old times..

 

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I also am interested in the saddles subject because in future I could decide to buy this GraphTech set of saddles, only because of the presumed greater longevity, while the sounds I would prefer that remain as they are as with the LR Baggs, which I still don't know if I can find in Italy.. and the Line6 store ships only to U.S. mailing address..

 

So I would know if really the GraphTech last much longer than the original ones


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:49 AM


tell me if I'm wrong, but I imagine that since you have a JTV you are not still playing your 300 that much.. therefore your "never had a piezo problem since" statement is surely true, and appreciated, but as a guarantee can not be reassuring all that much, when you play your 300 maybe once a year to remember the old times..

 

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I still play my 300 much more than that, but your point is well taken. My JTV is certainly my most-often played guitar now. The thing about my 300 is that it has a custom Warmoth neck and body and so I often play it just for the sheer pleasure of its playability. Also, when I jam with friends it often gets a workout. I stand by my claim, especially the improvement in sound quality. Not meant to be a guarantee of anything.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:49 AM

Anyway. I have a JTV 69, not the best build quality but far from the worst. No issues to speak of, no problems with the neck and no problems with the electronics. I needed  to raise the action somewhat as there was some considerable buzzing going on regarding the bottom E and A string. The guitar was bought in the UK 6 months ago for £875 brand new. I like it, but, it does take a little getting used to, you have to play it a little different to a  trad guitar. I have reflashed back and forth between 1.9 and 2.00 many times using the dongle thingy with no issues. I must have dropped lucky.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 02:09 PM

The reason why they don't have problems with the piezo with the ghost system is because of 2 factors

 

1) The piezo elements are entirely encased in the saddle, ergo it's not exposed to possible corrosion.

 

2) It has a grounding wire, unlike the stock piezos. The biggest problem with the piezos going out is that it grounds by contact against the saddle, and sometimes it goes out over time because of garbage like sweat and dirt getting in between the saddle and the piezo element.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 03:13 PM

...The biggest problem with the piezos going out is that it grounds by contact against the saddle, and sometimes it goes out over time because of garbage like sweat and dirt getting in between the saddle and the piezo element.

 

yeah.. that's exactly what I experienced lately with the 6th string piezo of my 700.. I cleaned all and I reversed the piezo 180°.. for several days now is working flawlessly


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 05:39 PM

I created a monster with this thread!

It went from convince me to buy a jtv over an old model to making me doubt whether I should buy any variax right now.

I don't want to be soldering piezos or changing necks - I'm actually leaning towards buying the cheapest eBay variax I can find in decent condition to use with my hd500 until new models come out.
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Posted 28 December 2013 - 07:43 PM

I don't want to be soldering piezos or changing necks - I'm actually leaning towards buying the cheapest eBay variax I can find in decent condition to use with my hd500 until new models come out.

 

I think that might be the best option at the moment.

 

Buying a used Variax may still leave you changing piezos though - they will probably fail eventually. If you can find one where someone has already added a nice set of GraphTech saddles you will be ahead of the game, otherwise expect replacing them to be part of the Variax experience.

 

I am planning to replace the Tyler bridge on my JTV with a Graphtech Ghost bridge, not because I love spending extra money on my guitars but because the stock JTV bridge is a poorly made piece of junk - the saddles do not fit properly into the slots on the bridge and they move around while playing and every time they touch the sides of the slot in the bridge they make a loud CLACK!!! sound though the amp.

 

Same bridge on the JTV89 and the JTV59 - total garbage IMO. I have no info on whether the bridge on the JTV69 is any better, maybe someone else here will have an opinion.

 

Another thing to consider - if you buy an older Variax and it breaks down it may be tough to get the parts necessary to repair it without buying a second Variax to cannibalize, but with a new JTV you will at least be able to get parts for a while.


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Posted 28 December 2013 - 09:36 PM

forgive me Aris, but I remember you lately said you had some problems with your GraphTech saddles..

and I still don't know if you solved your issue and how..

 

http://line6.com/sup...oblems/?p=23458

 

 

 

I said : yes it is for every old variax.Do it, i change them on 2010, if you do it correctly then you will have no problem again.

Yes my friend, that is true, and is the reason I said to ''do it correctly'' I bullsheet the grounding wires, solder didn't stick well and make those crackling noises from the wire when I played (have tremolo bridge). Thank you for reminding this post, although I don;t know if it will help the guy on the OP of the ghost saddles

 

BTW, I play the JTV for most of the 2.0 guitars, but the 700 for the awesome strat, acoustics, and custom gibson.


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 04:01 AM

...Thank you for reminding this post, although I don;t know if it will help the guy on the OP of the ghost saddles..

 

why not my friend Aris?.. ;)

 

it helps us to understand how important it is that the assembly work is done with competence and precision ..

I would be glad to know it in order to make a well-considered decision
before eventually buying something..


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#55 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 06:41 AM

I agree that the Ghost piezo's are a big improvement on an old Variax but the installation is not easy.  I installed them on my 500 and it was difficult to get everything soldered to the bridge flex circuit.  I had to make room for all of the ground wires since the original piezo's did not have a ground wire.  I was having ground noise and cutout problems with the old piezos.  They relied on grounding to the strings which was a very bad design.  The Ghost piezo's are very quiet and consistent.  The output is much higher so I had to turn down the string volumes to avoid clipping.  It was worth the effort but I have 40 years of soldering experience and most Variax owners do not.  I would not recommend doing this unless you trust your soldering skills.


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#56 silverhead

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 08:03 AM

... It was worth the effort but I have 40 years of soldering experience and most Variax owners do not.  I would not recommend doing this unless you trust your soldering skills.

I agree. I had it done by a professional guitar tech who also did a complete setup after the installation, which I also recommend.


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 08:09 AM

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It went from convince me to buy a jtv over an old model to making me doubt whether I should buy any variax right now...

 

Remember, oleus, that this is a support forum. Most people are here because they are looking for support to help with some problem or other. It should be no surprise that you hear mostly from people who have problems here. The many, many more Variax owners who are very satisfied and do not have problems generally don't come here.

 

I wouldn't generalize or extrapolate much based on what you hear here. Chances are very high that any Variax you purchase will be problem free. Of course, when purchasing used equipment, caveat emptor. You need to do your due diligence on the specific equipment you are looking to purchase in order to avoid ending up with a problematic guitar that someone just wants to dump.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 12:44 AM

Remember, oleus, that this is a support forum. Most people are here because they are looking for support to help with some problem or other. It should be no surprise that you hear mostly from people who have problems here. The many, many more Variax owners who are very satisfied and do not have problems generally don't come here.

 

I wouldn't generalize or extrapolate much based on what you hear here. Chances are very high that any Variax you purchase will be problem free. Of course, when purchasing used equipment, caveat emptor. You need to do your due diligence on the specific equipment you are looking to purchase in order to avoid ending up with a problematic guitar that someone just wants to dump.

 

I think the number of returned scratch'n'dent JTVs available at Musiciansfriend.com and other sites as discussed elsewhere in these forums should be a clue as to how satisfied purchasers are with JTVs in general. Either those websites are selling 10 times more JTVs than they are Gibsons and Fenders or 10 times the number of dissatisfied customers are returning them.

 

I am not convinced Line 6 is selling many JTVs, at least not many that are not immediately returned - where are you getting your info on all of these "many, many more Variax owners who are very satisfied" who don't come to these forums?

 

I have been coming here for years and have always been a huge Line 6 supporter, anyone can take a look at the 1000+ posts I made here before I purchased my JTV and see that I was not here to complain about Line6 products but to praise them shamelessly.

 

My original POD Bean? Loved it! My Pod XT? It was the bees knees! I still have both of them! My Vetta II? What a cool amp! Sold it when my HD500 rendered it obsolete! My Variaxes? Loved them so much I converted them to cool looking guitars! Loved the Variaxes so much I couldn't wait to get a JTV! Finally, a Variax that didn't look weird!

 

I really wanted to be in love with my JTV... weird tuning problems that weren't there on my older Variaxes? I can work around that! The strings fall off the neck when I do pull offs? Hmmmm, okay, I just won't do pull offs on that string anymore. Problem solved. Clickity-clacking noises from the bridge when I fingerpick? Uhhhhh,,, okay, that's three strikes, sorry JTV but you are out.

 

I wanted to love my JTV SOOOOO MUCH that I spent a ton of time tracking down one of the few Ibanez necks that will work as a replacement (this Ibanez neck was only made for a couple of years on two different models). I wanted to love my JTV so much that I did some snooping around and found a GraphTech bridge that will solve the clacking problem. I WANT TO BELIEVE so badly that I still have not sold my JTV after 6 months of it collecting dust waiting for me to get around to someday make it playable.

 

But on the other hand, at this point it would be more useful to me as a boat anchor and the temptation to get rid of it on ebay is great... I got it for next to nothing, I will not lose money if I sell it, but still, I WANT IT TO WORK so badly I keep hanging on to this bad relationship.

 

So go ahead, tell this guy to ignore us complainers and buy a JTV, but I ignored the complainers and wish I hadn't.

 

Really I don't come her just to complain about my crummy JTV, I come here to check to see whether any updates are available for my JTV or HD500 and read about peoples experiences with Line6 products and help people out when I can.

 

And in my opinion telling the OP in this thread to steer clear of the JTV for now will be much more helpful than just telling him to ignore the complainers.

 

Regarding used older Variaxes, I believe the only way to avoid the original piezos going bad is to never allow any moisture or dirt anywhere near the piezos - this can be accomplished either by:

 

1. NEVER playing the Variax, or

 

2. Only playing it under strict labloratory conditions, i.e. no humidity, no sweating, no dried skin cells flaking off, no contaminants in the air, best to just forget about ever playing a Variax in a smoky barroom... take it out and strum a few chords in your bedroom once in a while and they should be good for many years of service provided the previous owner(s) have maintained the same standards. Like you said, due diligence... ask to see the GuitarFax!


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#59 silverhead

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 06:43 AM

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So go ahead, tell this guy to ignore us complainers and buy a JTV,......

 

I didn't do that. I didn't call anyone a complainer; that was your word (I hope you won't referring to yourself). I acknowledged that some people have very real problems with their Line 6 equipment, and that's usually why they are here.

 

I did not tell him to buy a JTV. I told him that he shouldn't extrapolate from this audience to the general population of JTV owners, and assume he would have problems.

 

In fact I didn't give him any buy/don't buy JTV advice. You are doing that. I think he should make his own decision based on the information he has/gets. I am simply advising him on how to interpret/weigh the information and advice he is getting here, including yours and mine.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 06:55 AM

The thing is that if you went by negative reviews online of products, you could hardly ever buy anything. If I look at almost any product on Amazon, the 1-star reviews usually make up at least 10% of the reviews even for solid products. I think it's just human nature to want to tell people about a negative experience with a product more than it is to talk about a positive one. Personally, I don't believe the majority of JTV's have been faulty or returned. I don't believe the product would still be in production if that were case. What motivation would Line 6 have to keep a product on the market for four years that was actually losing money in the way of returns and warranty repairs?

 

I too am not trying to negate anyone's experience. I also wouldn't recommend to buy or not buy a product. It's a decisions they have to make on their own. My recommendation is always to try the product for yourself before buying it, and if you can't do that to go with someplace that has a good return policy.


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