Hd500 Midi

[shawnh565]

Can anyone tell me if  I can connect a Roland PK-5 Bass Pedal to the HD500 and use it as a sound module using the Midi connections? If so How?

[silverhead]

No the Pods (all L6 Pods) are not fully functional MIDI processors. In particular, they do not recognize or process the Note On/Off messages that are required to use a MIDI sound module.

[shawnh565]

Im new to MIDI.  So what would the MIDI on the HD be used for?

[silverhead]

It is used for program (preset) change commands as well as parameter controls (e.g. Turning FX on/off or changing their parameter values).

[AParedes]

+1 to Silverhead.  MIDI was created for "control" back in the day using a 5-pin DIN - which at the time was the common computer connection for a mouse (no USB or bluetooth back then ;).  A common MIDI application in the early 80s was to be able to play a note on a single keyboard with a specific tone and "layer" that with other keyboards connected via MIDI to achieve a string sound on Keyboard 1, brass sound on Keyboard 2, Piano sound on keyboard 3, etc.  By the late 80s guitarists with complex rigs were often using MIDI to control their rigs as well, most often for preset changes.  Take a look across the internet to find more history on the use of MIDI with guitar rigs.   

[Spidowski]

Hi everyone

As a newbie to these forums. I'm trying to set up my HD500 as a MIDI controller for Logic 9 & Main Stage 2. Nothing fancy just be able change banks on patches and control backing track in MS2 & operate the Transport buttons on Logic for hands free recording. I've got my HD500 connected through a M-Audio MIDI Sport Uno into a MacBook Pro with Snow Leopard. I've looked at the Advanced Booklet with the MIDI Settings, but I really don't have a clue where MIDI is concerned apart from setting the foot switches on the POD in MIDI mode. It's really confusing. Any help would be great.

Cheers

[bjnette]

The hard part is mapping the midi channels of which there are 128 in general midi.

The POD HD 500 has the exp pedal as the only continuous midi data and the rest are on off type messages.

Here is a video for midi to and from the HD500

[innovine]

I've had bugs when setting channels for cc's from the pedals, the pc editor is a bit weird sometimes. Works fine to set them via the pods own controls.

[Digital_Igloo]

Can anyone tell me if  I can connect a Roland PK-5 Bass Pedal to the HD500 and use it as a sound module using the Midi connections? If so How?

 

Interestingly enough, HD500 can kinda be used as a PK-5 pedal. You'll still need a sound module tho'.

[Tboneous]

Ive got a question to add to this soup. I have an Eventide H9 in my FX loop and I want to control it via MIDI. It seems at this point the only thing I can do is scroll up 4 presets on the Eventide. What I would like to do is when I click on preset 1A on the HD (for example) the Eventide will go to its preset number 23. And when I go to this other HD  preset, it will be paired with some other Eventide preset of my choosing. Instead what is happening is I call up 1A on the HD the Eventide goes to its preset 1. When I go to HD preset 2, the Eventide goes to its preset 2 and so on up to 4 Eventide presets. When I change banks on the HD and go to 2A, the Eventide goes back to its preset #1 and repeats the tandem patch change.

 

Is it possible to get out of this trap?

[clay-man]

With MIDI you can use your POD as a foot controller for any MIDI acceptable software or hardware.

 

I use it with Guitar Rig and Amplitube to change presets, control pedals, and virtual expression pedals, as well as other VST effects.

[Tboneous]

Yep. But how are you changing presets? I don't want to repost my question so take a look at it and if you have some tips for me, I sure would appreciate it.

[Rewolf48]

Ive got a question to add to this soup. I have an Eventide H9 in my FX loop and I want to control it via MIDI. It seems at this point the only thing I can do is scroll up 4 presets on the Eventide. What I would like to do is when I click on preset 1A on the HD (for example) the Eventide will go to its preset number 23. And when I go to this other HD  preset, it will be paired with some other Eventide preset of my choosing. Instead what is happening is I call up 1A on the HD the Eventide goes to its preset 1. When I go to HD preset 2, the Eventide goes to its preset 2 and so on up to 4 Eventide presets. When I change banks on the HD and go to 2A, the Eventide goes back to its preset #1 and repeats the tandem patch change.

 

Is it possible to get out of this trap?

 

You are caught by the default MIDI Patch change message - the HD500 send a Patch Change on it's default MIDI channel (1) and the H9 is also listening on it's default MIDI channel (also 1) and changing patch in response.

 

The only "always works" option was to change the default MIDI channel on one of the units to 2, and then explicitly set a switch in the HD500 to send a Patch Change on Channel 2. 

 

However the H9 has a MIDI Program Change Receive Map (apparently, I don't own one), which means that you can define what the H9 does when it receives a PC message:

 

[RCV.MAP] – Create a MIDI Program Change Receive Map 

MIDI maps are an efficient way to instantly recall any of the H9’s Presets using your favorite MIDI controller (pedal board, sequencer, etc.). Press the HOTKNOB button to select and create a MIDI Program Change Receive Map. This function sets the corresponding Preset that is recalled when a MIDI Program Change message is received. (Referred to as Prg No. from here on.) 

 

So you don't really have a problem, just need to do a bit of fiddling on the H9.

 

It appears that devices such as the Line 6 M5 can also do the Receive Map trick as well:

its surprisingly straight forward... standard midi cabales to the in/outs...

this of course, allows the HD500 to control the M5.

the only tricky cable is an "insert" cable (stereo TRS to dual mono TS 1/4") to accomodate the loop plugin and maintain stereo, and of course a couple of standard 1/4" TS cables.

other than that... it's super easy... just change the m5 to the preset you want to pull up... and save!

[Tboneous]

More fiddling? Oh man! I just wanna rock out! Oh well, let me go get my fiddling gloves!

[clay-man]

Yep. But how are you changing presets? I don't want to repost my question so take a look at it and if you have some tips for me, I sure would appreciate it.

 

I change presets by assigning MIDI to the footswitches, then I go into, say, guitar rig, then do a MIDI learn process, and when it says it's ready to learn what midi signal it will be assigned to, I press which footswitch I want to assign it to.

[Tboneous]

I change presets by assigning MIDI to the footswitches, then I go into, say, guitar rig, then do a MIDI learn process, and when it says it's ready to learn what midi signal it will be assigned to, I press which footswitch I want to assign it to.

Thanx! I'm ignorant of MIDI all together. So forgive me if my questions are elementary.

 

When you assign MIDI to the foot switches, it is the foot switch you are assigning and not the patch. Is that correct?

 

What is confusing me is this...

 

If you assign an Eventide H9 preset change to a foot switch on the HD, when I call up bank 1 patch A (for example) on the HD, the H9 will follow whatever MIDI instruction assigned to that foot switch. But if I want to go to bank 2 patch A (which is the same foot switch as bank 1 patch A), the H9 will follow the MIDI instructions for that foot switch. The problem is this is a totally different patch and I want a completely different thing from the H9. But I can't make that change because that one foot switch only follows 1 MIDI command. Is that correct thinking?

 

The HD can have 16 different presets for that one foot switch. I might want 16 different presets from the H9 for each of them. But switch 1 only allows the H9 to do one thing. Right?

 

So confused….

[Rewolf48]

You are getting confused between setting a footswitch to trigger a MIDI message and the default MIDI Program Change that happens when you change patch on an HD500.

 

If you stick with a single H9 Patch per HD500 then you don't need to program the HD switches.  Go to Bank 1 Patch A and the HD500 sends PC=00, go to Bank 2 Patch A and HD500 sends PC=04.  On the H9 you define what the H9 does when it receives PC=00 or PC=04, which might well be to go to Patch 16 for both of them - that is the MIDI Program Change Receive Map on the H9.

 

You should set the H9 Program Change Receive Map for every Patch you use on the HD so that the correct H9 patch is active when you go into the HD Patch.

 

However if you want to change H9 Patches while staying in the HD patch you will need to program the switches to send additional Program Change messages - these however will be specific to that HD patch and can be combined with normal switch functionality on the HD

[clay-man]

Thanx! I'm ignorant of MIDI all together. So forgive me if my questions are elementary.

 

When you assign MIDI to the foot switches, it is the foot switch you are assigning and not the patch. Is that correct?

 

What is confusing me is this...

 

If you assign an Eventide H9 preset change to a foot switch on the HD, when I call up bank 1 patch A (for example) on the HD, the H9 will follow whatever MIDI instruction assigned to that foot switch. But if I want to go to bank 2 patch A (which is the same foot switch as bank 1 patch A), the H9 will follow the MIDI instructions for that foot switch. The problem is this is a totally different patch and I want a completely different thing from the H9. But I can't make that change because that one foot switch only follows 1 MIDI command. Is that correct thinking?

 

The HD can have 16 different presets for that one foot switch. I might want 16 different presets from the H9 for each of them. But switch 1 only allows the H9 to do one thing. Right?

 

So confused….

 

 

You assign both. Hold the MOVE button to enter MIDI assignment mode. Choose which footswitches you want to have MIDI assigned to. 

 

On the device you're trying to MIDI control, you will either have to know the MIDI messages and numbers it needs to do certain things, or see if it just do a learn function which basically reads the incoming MIDI and assigns it to do a task.

 

For instance, with Guitar Rig, I can assign a footswitch to turn a pedal on and off.

I could also assign the expression pedal to control a virtual wah pedal on Guitar Rig.

 

It's kind of a learning curve thing that you have to soak in yourself. 

 

If something doesn't work, try adjusting the Message type on the POD (CC toggle, CC, Midi Note) and try messing with the value. Some MIDI devices will take another message better than another, especially when trying to assign an on/off toggle situation.

[Tboneous]

You are getting confused between setting a footswitch to trigger a MIDI message and the default MIDI Program Change that happens when you change patch on an HD500.

 

If you stick with a single H9 Patch per HD500 then you don't need to program the HD switches. Go to Bank 1 Patch A and the HD500 sends PC=00, go to Bank 2 Patch A and HD500 sends PC=04. On the H9 you define what the H9 does when it receives PC=00 or PC=04, which might well be to go to Patch 16 for both of them - that is the MIDI Program Change Receive Map on the H9.

 

You should set the H9 Program Change Receive Map for every Patch you use on the HD so that the correct H9 patch is active when you go into the HD Patch.

 

However if you want to change H9 Patches while staying in the HD patch you will need to program the switches to send additional Program Change messages - these however will be specific to that HD patch and can be combined with normal switch functionality on the HD

Fog clearing a bit. Thanx! I'll commence to fiddling with this and see what happens. One more question pre-fiddle...do I need 2 MIDI cables or is 1 enough?

[BlueViolince]

So it's either/or, as far as sending MIDI commands with patch changes vs within a patch?  Both have their usefulness to me, but can you do both?

[Tboneous]

Ok! I'm close.

 

 

This is my MIDI FS program info:

 

I am using FS6

MIDI CH: Base (What does that mean and how does this effect my situation?)

MIDI Message:Prog Change

Prog #:003

 

This is what is happening...

 

I am in bank 9

Bank 9 has 4 presets (9A, 9B, 9C, 9D)

9A=FS5, 9B=FS6 etc….

 

*When I scroll to Bank 9 and access preset 9B by pressing FS6, my Eventide H9 switches to Program #34 (Where is the MIDI instruction that is triggering this unwanted program change?)

**When I press FS6 again, the H9 goes to program #4 even though the MIDI instruction is to go to program #3

 

No matter what MIDI instruction I set on the HD, the H9 chooses 1 program greater that the instruction.

If the instruction is to go to program 3, the H9 will go to program 4, If the instruction is go to 34, the H9 will go to program 35.

 

Questions...

 

*How do I fix this so that I can scroll to my preset on the HD without triggering a program change on the H9?

**I want the Eventide to go to program #3 and not program #4. How do I fix that?

 

And while you guys are taking this valuable time to fix my guitar rig, any tips on how I can get my 8 year old to flush the friggen toilet after he blows it up! My GOD! The stuff that comes out of that boy!!!!!!  :wacko:

[panaman]

midi starts to count fro zero to 255, meaning patch 00 is the 1st patch, number one.

if patches (presets) are arranged in groups of 4, 1a is number one, 1d is 4. 2d is 8.

9b is 34=8x4 +2

you have to do the computation n-1 yourself

 

any suggestions for a free or demo soft to change the pods parameters automatedly? a midi mapper or sequencer or both?

[duncann]

midi starts to count fro zero to 255, meaning patch 00 is the 1st patch, number one.

if patches (presets) are arranged in groups of 4, 1a is number one, 1d is 4. 2d is 8.

9b is 34=8x4 +2

you have to do the computation n-1 yourself

 

any suggestions for a free or demo soft to change the pods parameters automatedly? a midi mapper or sequencer or both?

 

Reaper is one that is able to do this. But you would also need a usb to midi interface.

[Tboneous]

midi starts to count fro zero to 255, meaning patch 00 is the 1st patch, number one.

if patches (presets) are arranged in groups of 4, 1a is number one, 1d is 4. 2d is 8.

9b is 34=8x4 +2

you have to do the computation n-1 yourself

 

any suggestions for a free or demo soft to change the pods parameters automatedly? a midi mapper or sequencer or both?

Not sure I understand. 00 is the 1st patch? Is this why when I assign a MIDI program change to be #3, the H9 goes to program #4?

 

The computation n-1? I'm guessing that this means that if I want the H9 to go to program #3, I need to know the "00" factor and set the MIDI program change instruction on the HD to #2. Am I close? 

 

What do you mean by "n-1"

 

If I am straight about all of that, then there is still one more question. (actually 2 more questions, but I'll figure out my 8 year olds toilet issues on a different forum!)

 

When ever I scroll up or down through the different banks and select a preset from the desired bank, the H9 changes program. Where is the MIDI instruction that is doing this? I want to be able to scroll and select an HD preset without a change on the H9.

 

Thanx so much for the help! The H9 is sounding fantastic with my rig. If I can get past this tiny bump in the road, I'll be good to go!

[Rewolf48]

Not sure I understand. 00 is the 1st patch? Is this why when I assign a MIDI program change to be #3, the H9 goes to program #4?

 

The computation n-1? I'm guessing that this means that if I want the H9 to go to program #3, I need to know the "00" factor and set the MIDI program change instruction on the HD to #2. Am I close? 

 

What do you mean by "n-1"

 

MIDI Program Change messages are the values 0 through to 255.  A Device will have it's own identification of a "Patch", in the case of the HD it has Banks and Presets, 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 2A, 2B... 16D. In translation to MIDI numbers 0 = 1A, 1 = 1B up to 64 = 16D.

 

The H9 Presets appear to be numbered from 1 (which is very common as only programmers start with 0 as the first number), so on the H9 MIDI 0 = Preset 1, 1 = 2, etc (this H9 Preset to MIDI message to select that preset is "n-1")

 

So selecting HD 1D will send MIDI PC 3 which will select H9 Preset 4.

 

 

When ever I scroll up or down through the different banks and select a preset from the desired bank, the H9 changes program. Where is the MIDI instruction that is doing this? I want to be able to scroll and select an HD preset without a change on the H9.

 

Thanx so much for the help! The H9 is sounding fantastic with my rig. If I can get past this tiny bump in the road, I'll be good to go!

 

The MIDI instruction doing this is the HD automatically transmitting Program Change messages... on the Base MIDI Channel each MIDI cable can carry 16 independent communication Channels numbered 0 to 15.  Each piece of equipment will typically listen to one of these channels (or all of them in omni mode).

 

All equipment defaults to Base Channel 0, so connect any two items then they will talk.

 

But in this case you don't want the H9 to receive the HD default Program Change messages, so you have to set one or other of the devices (H9 for example) to use a different Base Channel, and then when you program the HD switch you need to set the message to be sent on the Channel that the H9 is listenting to.

 

Oh and you only need one MIDI cable for most uses: HD sends to H9.  If H9 needed to send back to HD as well then a second cable would be needed.

[Tboneous]

Wolf!!!

 

Thank you! Best answer yet! Clear as a bell now. Before I got your input, I discovered a workaround.

 

The 4 presets in Bank 1 on the HD triggered the 1st 4 programs on the H9 respectively. The 4 presets in Bank 2 on the HD triggered programs 5 through 8 on the H9. HD bank 3 presets = H9 programs 9 through 12. And so on.

 

So, I just rearranged the presets on the H9 so the desired program loaded when I went to a preset on the HD.

 

Bada-bing!

 

My rig sounds soooo amazing with the H9! I highly recommend it!

 

 

Thanks again to all that helped me on this!

[namklak]

Using the HD500X to control the H&K Grandmeister (GM) 36.  I am a midi noob and this just works.  I can get a ton of tones.   I run the HD into the guitar input of the GM (not 4CM) and a midi cable.  The GM's reverb, delay, and simple effects are plenty good enough for a classic rock performance setting.  The HD runs wah, volume pedal, compression, EQ, noise gate, gain (patch cable across effects loop), and distortion - and midi controls the GM.  It's like modeling with tubes - I don't think I've ever been happier with a system.

[JohnMcManus]

Hi All,

I'm trying to get the HD500 to send midi control to the GR-1. I can do this sequentially as in ,If i press 1 preset on the HD500 the GR-1 with follow along If I press 2 then the GR-1 will change to 2. But I cant seem to be able to press 1 on the HD500 and go to program 3 as an example ,on the GR-1. Please help! This is really frustrating, John