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#1 pugdealer

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 12:04 PM

Hey guys

 

I've been using my POD HD500 direct to FOH when playing live and the sound has been very inconsistent as the sound guys that are up front.

 

So I've been considering (and advised to) using the L3T micced up live as an amp so I'll probably get a closer sound up front compared to what I ear coming out of the l3t, which I what I use to tweak my patches.

 

I just updated the POD to 2.2 and it has good control over the L3t, though unfortunately it still lacks control over the speaker mode on the pod...it stores the setting, but I can't change the mode from the POD...anyway

 

I've always had the POD on studio/direct and am using full amp models. The questions are:

 

1 - Since I used the full amp models, should I use only PA/reference mode or is it better to go for electric guitar mode?

 

2 - How should the L3T be micced up? It seems to work completely different when in PA or Elec Guit.

 

3 - Could someone explain in detail the electric guitar mode, other than just "simulates 2x12 cabinet"?

 

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#2 joecozzi

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:20 PM

Hello,

 

Too many  things influence the FOH house sound. What kind of speakers they are using, are they using any processing like compression, EQ or limiting? Keep in mind your sound is also being mixed to fit in with all the other musicians and that will change your sound completely.

 

1 - Use "Electric Guitar" mode as it was designed for use with multi-effects processors, PODs and pedal boards. However, and this is not meant to confuse you, you may like the high fidelity sound of "PA/Reference Mode." You are free to use it. Yes, the Flat Response, Full Range characteristic of the "PA Mode" might work better with certain models.

 

2 - A mic will not give you  an accurate representation of the sound you hear coming from the L3T. Your talking about capturing signal from a speaker with 3 different components that reproduce in different parts of the spectrum. That's why you mentioned it sounds different than using the modes. Aiming the mic would be a challenge, but it may be worth experimenting with if you have the time. First choose "electric guitar" mode (or PA mode, if you prefer) then experiment like you would in the studio. No rules, though I don't recommend it.

 

3 - "Electric Guitar" mode is designed to have a different voicing. It emulates the frequency response of a 2x12, meaning its EQ curve is similar to that of a guitar amp and not a regular FOH speaker. Guitar amps have a characteristic sound due to the materials and speaker cones that are used. It's why guitars and effects sound unusual when you plug them into regular PA speakers. To more closely achieve the sound of a guitar through an amp, choose "Electric guitar" mode. Additionaly, in this mode, you take advantage of Virtual Tilt-Back, which optimizes the speaker’s tuning to achieve an upward tilt to its main axis and aim the sound towards the performer.

 

Other questions for you: Are you fedding the FOH the direct outs of your POD or from the "Mix Out" of your L3T?

 

Don't forget that if you only have one L3T, the "Mix Out" puts out a Mono Sum (L+R) of the input from the L6 link.

If you're using the outputs of the POD HD500x, always use the balanced XLR outputs, when you can. If you are using the 1/4IN outputs make sure it's set to "LINE" and you're using direct boxes to feed the front of house.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:39 PM

 

 

1 - Since I used the full amp models, should I use only PA/reference mode or is it better to go for electric guitar mode?

 

2 - How should the L3T be micced up? It seems to work completely different when in PA or Elec Guit.

 

3 - Could someone explain in detail the electric guitar mode, other than just "simulates 2x12 cabinet"?

 

Thanks

 

The answer is  ... it all depends.  The opportunity of going FRFR is that you can create new sounds that cannot be made using guitar amplifiers.  Especially in the effects.   For that option to really be effective you should operate in PA/ref mode (it also depends on how you have your HD set ... speaker emulator or no).  Generally I would recommend running the HD with the Cab simulator ON  and the L2/3 in PA/ref mode.

 

It would take a couple of mics to mic up a L2/3 if it is operating in PA/ref mode as there is a low and a high component.  I would suggest NOT mixing the speaker but rather running form the mix out to the board.In Gtr amp mode you could probably just mic the woofer.  The GTR mode essentially shuts off the HF driver so only the woofer is operating and it applies a  Line 6 model to condition the sound.  If you are running in this mode you would generally turn the cabinet simulation OFF in your modeler.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:54 AM

Thanks guys...

 

That's kinda what I was thinking to myself. I basically just hear the 10" driver when in Ele. guit. mode, so I figured I could just mic the driver and be fine.  My whole confusion had more to do with the cab simulation. I have them all on, and most patches just sounded instantly better when I changed from PA to Elec Guit, so I was a bit confused on whether the Elec guit mode was designed to be used with full amp and cab sim on or with the sim off.

 

I imagine miccing in PA mode would require at least 2 mics, 1 for the driver and 1 for the horn. But are the 2 10" drivers making the same exact sound? If not I would need a 3rd mic and that sounds WAY more complicated to mix and defeats the my purpose, I think...

 

I think I might spend some hours experimenting...Are you sure the cab sim should be off in elec guit mode? It sounded so good on! :P


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 06:40 AM

If the cab sim sounds good to you in "Electric Guitar" mode, then use it. Sometimes I prefer it on, too. :)


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