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#1 janssengr

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 01:33 PM

Hi everyone,

 

I might have stumbled on a rookie mistake but: how come my acoustic sounds are so lousy, meaning sounding very boomy, digital and nasal, and not nearly as good as I hear others?

 

My setup is the following:

- JTV 89, updated to HD models

- using normal Jack-Jack cable to 

- Boss GT8

 

On the GT8, I can select (for instance) the Full Range model, which should basically entail the same as plugging straight into a PA (where the GT8 then simply functions as DI)

 

Attached is a short sound sample
- First: the JTV89, Acoustic position 5 (Gibson model) straight into the GT8, Full Range model, all EQ at 50%, no other processing than a little bit of hall reverb- 

- Then: similar, but with the 'Acoustic Processor' of the GT8 engaged. It does get brighter, but it doesn't get much nicer beautiful.

 

In both cases, the acoustic 'feel' is there, especially with single notes, but it doesn't get nearly as realistic as I've heard other people have their JTV sounding (on Youtube for instance, next to the Line6 Demos)

 

What do you think? Is it a cable problem i.e. should I use the VDI cable for acoustic stuff?ps

 

Ps, I had some trouble updating to the HD models, but everything else seems to be fine.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 02:10 PM

doesnt sound to bad to me, I usually run no processing at all, literally none, can you do that with the gt8? No EQ nothing?

 

here is a quick vid of mine variax > Pod HD500 no processing > Audacity 

 


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 03:48 PM

I agree w/vguitars...doesn't sound bad to me...I use the Sean Haley acoustic patch & STILL could be happier, although I haven't tried using 11's on either of my JTV's which is mentioned here alot

You want boomy...I run thru bose L1 w/2 bins...really got milk it like a mouse


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 04:37 PM

I can't believe how people whine about the new guitar models. They sound OUT of this world, nearly identical to actually miccing up an actual acoustic.

 

I actually envy the acoustic sound on the JTV compared to my 600. It just sounds, wow. Like I might as well get rid of my acoustic and just record with a JTV if I have one.

 

Now, I understand if it doesn't sit well in a mix. but that's what EQing is for. 


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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:45 PM

Been playing the Acoustic models of my JTV through a HD500X into an EV ZLX-12P PA speaker.  Sounds as good as any mic'd acoustic I have heard.  I am not crazy about the 12 string models though.  The lower notes sound electronic to me.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 12:58 AM

Hi everyone,

 

I might have stumbled on a rookie mistake but: how come my acoustic sounds are so lousy, meaning sounding very boomy, digital and nasal, and not nearly as good as I hear others?

 

My setup is the following:

- JTV 89, updated to HD models

- using normal Jack-Jack cable to 

- Boss GT8

 

On the GT8, I can select (for instance) the Full Range model, which should basically entail the same as plugging straight into a PA (where the GT8 then simply functions as DI)

 

Attached is a short sound sample
- First: the JTV89, Acoustic position 5 (Gibson model) straight into the GT8, Full Range model, all EQ at 50%, no other processing than a little bit of hall reverb- 

- Then: similar, but with the 'Acoustic Processor' of the GT8 engaged. It does get brighter, but it doesn't get much nicer beautiful.

 

In both cases, the acoustic 'feel' is there, especially with single notes, but it doesn't get nearly as realistic as I've heard other people have their JTV sounding (on Youtube for instance, next to the Line6 Demos)

 

What do you think? Is it a cable problem i.e. should I use the VDI cable for acoustic stuff?ps

 

Ps, I had some trouble updating to the HD models, but everything else seems to be fine.

I get you, and I agree!

 

Up until last week I stuck with fw 1.72 because its acoustics sounded muuuuch better to me. After that they just got so bommy, roomy, nasal, that I couldn't like or do anything with them! And I also agree they kinda sound fine when finger picking, but when strummed...GOOOOD, no!!

 

Since last week I've been on fw 2.0, and I'm trying to stick to it, cause I really like the electrics are a LOT better than on 1.72, and I've been trying to workout a patch on my HD500 for an acoustic! I've spent hours on it, and though I'm not 100% happy with it, it's close! I mostly strum when playing the acoustic, so it had to sound good when strummed! 

 

I think you really need to fiddle with EQ and compression to get them to sound right...I'll try to post an example of mine later...


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 01:40 AM

I can't believe how people whine about the new guitar models. They sound OUT of this world, nearly identical to actually miccing up an actual acoustic.

 

I actually envy the acoustic sound on the JTV compared to my 600. It just sounds, wow. Like I might as well get rid of my acoustic and just record with a JTV if I have one.

 

Now, I understand if it doesn't sit well in a mix. but that's what EQing is for. 

 

 

I am actually not whining about the difference between pre-HD models and HD-models, because honestly I bought my JTV at the day the HD models came out and I did the upgrade almost instantly. (actually because I noticed that a lot of people had trouble accommodating the change in tone, and I didn't want to get used to the 'older' sound, while I could have the newer sound).

I am very happy with my JTV - tele, strat and Les Paul sounds are great. Just, the acoustics don't work for me, while I hear very beautiful sounds coming out of them by other players (the Line6 demos and elsewhere on youtube). 

 

So maybe it's just their processing that makes it great. On the other hand: i am happy to know that I don't do anything wrong (otherwise someone would've suggested that by now I suppose), and that the GT8 is not the problem (as many examples are with the HD500) 

 

I think your last remark covers it - generally it doesn't sit well in the mix, so I might have to juggle a bit more with the EQ in the band and recording situations. 


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 04:02 AM

Here's my acoustic example

 

The first sounds you hear are JTV 69 (2.0) to HD500 (my own acoustic patch) to garageband, and the second sound is just JTV 69 (2.0) to HD500 (clean patch with only the same reverb as on the acoustic patch) to garageband

 

All comparison sounds were recorded using the looper, so no difference in sound will have to do with the way I was playing.

 

So far, with my acoustic patch, this is the best I can get the JTV 2.0 acoustic to sound good to my ears!

 

All the sounds were recorded with the Acoustic-1, tone 100%

 

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:09 AM

I get usefull sounds from the jtv v.2.0 but. the variax had better acoustics though.No need to eq at all from my variax.If you don't believe me, check the ballad of Hades on sound cloud (variax) and the paradox acoustic (jtv)


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:19 AM

I get usefull sounds from the jtv v.2.0 but. the variax had better acoustics though.No need to eq at all from my variax.If you don't believe me, check the ballad of Hades on sound cloud (variax) and the paradox acoustic (jtv)

I believe you!!!

 

That's why I stuck for so long with 1.72! But I gotta have this 2.0 over the electrics...they're much better, and specially palm mutting!!!

 

I can kinda live and like this acoustic patch I got going on now...so, I'm happy!


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:31 AM

Respect!! i agree also that the 2.0 electrics and palm muting is much better (thought i miss the custom gibson and the junior gibson )


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:44 AM

So far, ALL the acoustic sounds on the mp3's and video on this post sound pretty good to me. I use the acoustic sounds on my JTV-59/HD500X/L2T a lot, and I like the sounds I am getting in general, but I'm always looking to improve on them.

 

   A lot depends on exactly how you set up the patch on the POD/Amp or whatever you are using for effects & amplification. I have tried out a number of patches from customtone, and many of them are too easy to get distortion if you pick or strum too hard. Also a lot of them sound overly compressed to me.

 

   The clips posted here sound pretty natural and convincing for acoustic emulations. I'd be interested to know what blocks & settings you used. (for those using POD's at least)


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:16 AM

To all those having trouble finding a good acoustic sound...chech out Sean's latest blog entry above. It deals precisely with this issue. And while many wont want to hear this, it may very well be a string guage and/or playing technique issue. It was for me...not only for acoustic models, but other problems I was having with weird overtones while palm muting the A string on high gain settings. The piezos are ridiculously sensitive...extraneous/accidental string noises that wouldnt come thru a mag pickup can result in some odd sounds with these guitars. And the acoustic models seem to require an extraordinarily light touch when it comes to picking and strumming. If you're used to beating on the strings as if it were an actual acoustic guitar, it will probably continue to sound lousy no matter what you do with the amp settings. I had to learn the hard/stubborn way...lol
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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:58 AM

I'd seen Sean's blog entry!

 

I also use 0.11's, always have on the JTV, and like I said before, the 2.0 or even those after 1.8 sound good to me when picking, but when strummed...jeez, not even close! They're so boomy, roomy...at least to me!

 

I have to EQ a lot before getting the sound I want, and I still haven't got it right! I'm 80% satisfied...for now it's enough to keep 2.0, I'm sure I'll get it just right for me on the HD500 for the acoustics...


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:18 AM

My 600 sounds pretty bad when I try to play hard on the acoustics, and those use the old Acoustic sounds.

 

If they sound too boomy, cut off some of the low end with a high pass filter.


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:19 AM

I'd seen Sean's blog entry!
 
I also use 0.11's, always have on the JTV, and like I said before, the 2.0 or even those after 1.8 sound good to me when picking, but when strummed...jeez, not even close! They're so boomy, roomy...at least to me!
 
I have to EQ a lot before getting the sound I want, and I still haven't got it right! I'm 80% satisfied...for now it's enough to keep 2.0, I'm sure I'll get it just right for me on the HD500 for the acoustics...

I'd seen Sean's blog entry!
 
I also use 0.11's, always have on the JTV, and like I said before, the 2.0 or even those after 1.8 sound good to me when picking, but when strummed...jeez, not even close! They're so boomy, roomy...at least to me!
 
I have to EQ a lot before getting the sound I want, and I still haven't got it right! I'm 80% satisfied...for now it's enough to keep 2.0, I'm sure I'll get it just right for me on the HD500 for the acoustics...

I hear ya...I had same issue. I've found that strumming needs a delicate touch..and when I say delicate, I mean barrly touching the damn strings...a 'glancing blow', if you will. Took some serious adjustment on my part. Not at all a 'natural' technique...I'd been doing it one way for 25 years...not easy to change gears like that...
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Posted 15 January 2014 - 01:31 PM

The blog is actually a pretty neat bit of information. Thanks for pointing me to it:

 

http://blog.line6.com


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Posted 15 January 2014 - 06:09 PM

Here's my acoustic example

 

Nice!  Care to share that patch?


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:37 AM

I'd seen Sean's blog entry!

 

I also use 0.11's, always have on the JTV, and like I said before, the 2.0 or even those after 1.8 sound good to me when picking, but when strummed...jeez, not even close! They're so boomy, roomy...at least to me!

 

I have to EQ a lot before getting the sound I want, and I still haven't got it right! I'm 80% satisfied...for now it's enough to keep 2.0, I'm sure I'll get it just right for me on the HD500 for the acoustics...

 

Have you tried adjusting the global string volumes for the JTV in Workbench HD ?    I think the factory set levels are too hot and all the models benefit from turning the piezo string volume down a bit.  I think the acoustics sound better if string volume is reduced in Workbench.  When I was on v2.0, I used the global string volume to even out the string sounds, and then I used the string volume for each model to tweak further, so for the acoustics, the global vol was down and then I tweaked the volume down some more within each of the model patches.  IMHO they sounded better.   It's certainly worth a try, you can always reset to factory defaults if you don't think it makes a difference that you prefer.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:51 AM

I use my JTV-69 with a Boss GT-100.

 

I am using the Natural Clean patch as base, turn off the pre-amp on the patch and it sounds fantastic.

 

I was playing it a gig and people were impressed by how it sounded like an acoustic guitar.

 

So the key thing is turn off amp modeling on your pedal.


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