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#1 tochiro

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:49 AM

Hi,

 

I noticed that the levels of the monitor FXs were not saved in the setup.  When I switch on the M20D, save the setup with the monitor FX levels close to 0 and switch off the M20D, the FX levels (Reverb, Delay, etc.) in the monitors are far too high...  How come?

 

Thank you for your help.

 

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:26 AM

sounds like you have an old version of firmware.  What is running in your unit?



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:39 AM

Version 1.20
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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:24 PM

I had this problem once too. But I figured I overlooked something (and maybe I did). But it was just the drummer's in ears. He asked why so much reverb....and we had never put reverb to his mix (not consciously). I am still leaving it at "operator error" until I can prove it's not.
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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:03 PM

I have seen the same thing happen on mine. It seems inconsistent so I didn't report until I could make sure I knew the steps to recreate it. I'm also running the latest version. I've just been double checking the effects levels in the monitors each time I setup just to make sure they aren't up too high. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Just haven't spent the time to figure out what triggers it yet.


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 09:54 AM

It's very easy to recreate - Just lower the Monitor FX levels to 0 for instance, switch the M20D off, switch it on and the FXs are high again... :-(


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:39 AM

Other users experience the same problem?
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#8 emmebbi

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:07 AM

did you save your scene and your setup after each change?
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:27 AM

Yes.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:31 AM

My results have been inconsistent. As I said before, I haven't really tried to consistently recreate it. This week I turned on my mixer and when I checked, the FX were all at 0. 2 weeks ago when I turned it on, the effects were on. 

 

I also save any changes that I have made. 


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:39 AM

I have never paid close enough attention, but I have noticed my effects levels change. I have just come to check them every time. But I will watch closer now. And I save every time we play. I load the previous set up/scene, and then, later during the night, I save when I am done tweaking for the night. That way, our sound in each venue is hopefully "bettering" each time we play. Mixing from stage, I just do to have the time to put in every time we play. Can't just sit out front and tweak.
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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:47 AM

I hadn't noticed yet. I'll keep an eye out for this. Sounds like a bug which we should let line6 know about so they know to look for it. 

 

You shouldn't have to explicitly save the current setup according to the manual, but I do anyway because of years of using computers in general ;)


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 11:30 AM

Ok, now I know this happens, and seems to be random. We set up to perform yesterday afternoon. There is a house system with sound man, but old board, with only two aux sends. We use IEM's and like our own monitor mix, so I brought my m20d to use as a monitor mixer. Set up in afternoon, all good. I saved the scene, and I didn't power the board off. Came back, first set good, and second set, I hear reverb. Somehow, effects were set to all monitors and at the same level. The first two effects were both at about 50%. I had the lid on my mixer case because we all use iPads, so no one was able to access the board. Only the drummer and I were actually using our iPads and there is no way either of us accidentally set the first two effects to 50% on all the monitor mixes. I put them all back to zero, and they stayed there. I expect when I turn it on today to check, they will be at zero. I will update later. But this must be a bug. Fortunately, it is a harmless one for us. It is also unfortunate that it will be extremely difficult to fix if we can't figure out exactly what happens to cause this. I can't tell you what I did. I do go back and forth between the stagescape app and our setlist app, and I was recording too. But that's about it. I will be paying closer attention for sure.
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Posted 16 February 2014 - 01:26 PM

We have tried to reproduce this behavior and could not get this to happen so far. Is it possible that the "FX to Monitors" are linked and during the course of events the FX levels got turned up? When the FX levels are down and the FX to Monitors are linked turning up the FX levels anywhere will bring the FX up in the monitors.
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Posted 16 February 2014 - 04:19 PM

We have tried to reproduce this behavior and could not get this to happen so far. Is it possible that the "FX to Monitors" are linked and during the course of events the FX levels got turned up? When the FX levels are down and the FX to Monitors are linked turning up the FX levels anywhere will bring the FX up in the monitors.


I really don't think so. We were only using the monitor page of the app. And the recording page. But, it is impossible to say "didn't happen". For now, I am just going to step up my "observation" and pay very close attention to this "feature".
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Posted 16 February 2014 - 11:25 PM

We do hope it will be corrected in the next update.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 02:45 AM

Im sad to report that I have also had some monitor-seems-to-live-its-own-life trouble.

 

I am the only one in the band operating the mixer.

 

we made our soundcheck as usual, and all was well. I saved everything and we powered down. when we came back to do the gig, the drummer complained that his monitor sounded really bad. I then saw that there suddenly was alot of FX in his monitor mix.

 

sometimes the monitor is turned all the way down when i power up the mixer. other times its where it was when i saved the setup/scene.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:26 AM

I have experienced similar circumstances as Jeanpicasso. I just check monitor levels and FX levels to monitors each time I power up.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:54 AM

Monitor settings should be saved when you save your settings but this feature is clearly partly unreliable.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 07:30 AM

We are further investigating this. So far we could not reproduce this. Please check the link status of the FX to monitors since it is possible to get FX in the monitors unintentionally when they are linked. The monitor output levels stay where they were when powering up and reset to zero (off) when loading a new setup. We keep testing this.
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