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#41 tochiro

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 12:22 AM

It's confusing to have 2 saving procedures.  One with both Scene and Setup is enough since you can name it and have as many as you need.


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#42 Digital-sound

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:23 PM

It's confusing to have 2 saving procedures.  One with both Scene and Setup is enough since you can name it and have as many as you need.


I agree.
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#43 ArneLine6

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:53 AM

One reason for this design with setups and scenes was that scenes can be changed during a song and there is no audio disruption. Since the setup also recalls the dsp types, trims and input patch it disrupts the audio shortly. You can just use setups. A setup contains the scenes and recalling a setup will also recall the scene that was last used.
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#44 Digital-sound

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:40 AM

One reason for this design with setups and scenes was that scenes can be changed during a song and there is no audio disruption. Since the setup also recalls the dsp types, trims and input patch it disrupts the audio shortly. You can just use setups. A setup contains the scenes and recalling a setup will also recall the scene that was last used.

That came to mind, but I thought there was a disruption in the sound momentarily with a scene change too. Good to know.

I still thinks some things could be separated, but if understand that many would like it as it is. And if I sat and brainstormed it, I could think of reasons to leave it as it is. Reasons come to me as I type this, as well as reasons why it shouldn't be an issue any away. Could Eden save the set up with no effects or EQ if desired. See? I am convincing myself right now....I have these kind of debates all the time!
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#45 tochiro

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 04:59 AM

A setup contains the scenes and recalling a setup will also recall the scene that was last used.

No and this is the point of the thread.  Monitor levels are not recalled but setups.

 

Also I don't see why you would need to change a scene during a song...  That seems to me quite secondary compared to the advantage of having a single action to do to save/recall ALL the parameters.


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Posted 31 March 2014 - 07:15 AM

I agree with tochiro, to a point.  Being that you can have two different save options, why not just update the firmware to make it have three save options? 

 

A "SAVE ALL AS" type button would be beneficial in the expectation that when you recall a "SAVE ALL AS" file it will set the mixer to ALL of the parameters that you last heard in both the monitors, channel strip and front of house.  From there you tweak, and "SAVE ALL AS" again under a different file name, say for a different venue.  This was basically what I was expecting when I bought the mixer.  Our band has no use for making Scene changes within the song, although I can see some bands who would benefit. 

 

I simply want to make an adjustment, save it somewhere and then be able to recall that adjustment the next time I turn on the mixer without having to go through the tweaking process again. 

 

I am awaiting a tech response, from my last post. When I receive that I will share it.


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Posted 01 April 2014 - 12:45 PM

I spoke with Tech Support on the phone yesterday.  The way Jbrunner explained it, is,  Global FX such as the reverb, delay etc is like an Aux Send on a analog mixer.  Kinda like an effects loop where you would send a signal out and then receive a return signal.  The other effects such as EQ, Compressor, etc.  are channel effects and run in the channel setup.

 

So... the Global FX is saved under Setup, and the Channel FX are saved under Scene in that you can change the Scene during the song and get different Channel Effects.

 

So same answer as previous in the save function.  As to why when I saved the last round in Scene and then Setup and lost the reverb we still do not know.  He mentioned to do some tests with a new setup from scratch.  So I will do that Thursday when at practice.  (Probably a single channel to start off with.)

 

He also mentioned that if I had a setup saved from prior to installing the 1.2 firmware update, this might be a carryover issue.  The fix to this would be to simply setup the mixer again from scratch.  The setup I am using was saved prior to 1.2 firmware update on my machine, and the issues started after I did the firmware update, so this very well might be the issue.

 

So wish me luck on Thursday.  I'll report back.  I'm really interested in doing the testing.

 

Jbrunner, please post if I said something incorrect.

 

Thanks


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#48 Digital-sound

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:47 PM

I think this thread has gone in some mixed ways. I was onboard with some issues with monitor sends and FX levels. My issue was, and some issues in this thread, was that when coming back to the board, and powering it up, there were FX, and quite a bit (at the "0db" level) added to the monitor sends which were not part of the scene or set up that was active when the board was powered down,

I discovered that I could, finally, recreate this issue. It was confirmed to me by Arne of line 6, that there is a bug that may set the FX to monitors to the 0db level on a power up cycle. If you load a setup, or a scene, the monitor FX that were saved, do com back as they were. My issue was, that sometimes, because if am using it usually with one band, I would not load my set up or scene as it was the same venue and band, so all was saved. So I did have am issue with reverb, and lots of it, coming through my monitor mix.

If this sounds like the same problem any of you are having, Line6 is now aware of it and working on a fix. But, you can work around this by being sure to load your previous setup, and scene, or, by double checking your FX to monitor settings.

I have had no problems with the monitor FX being saved properly to the setups or scenes, or recalling them. But, again, when powering up the board, there is a bug that adds FX to the monitor sends. Easy to work around now that I am aware of it.
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Posted 02 April 2014 - 12:09 AM

But, again, when powering up the board, there is a bug that adds FX to the monitor sends.

Yes exactly.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:14 AM

Ok, no mistaking it now.  Unlike Digital Sound's issue, my issue with the effects loading randomly is different.  Took the unit and played a gig Sunday, brought it back and set up for practice on Thursday.  I had saved the gig under a different setup and scene.  Thursday when we set up for practice, I made sure to load the Practice Setup and Scene I had saved prior to our gig. 

 

Bottom line, the unit loaded random Reverb on two channels.  An acoustic guitar and the Dobro.

 

I have done as Tech support has told me to do, and per what Digital Sound has said above.


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