Hd500x Dual Tone Using 4 Cable Method Coupled With Xlr Out

[WithALoudNoise]

Hey all,

 

I have a bit of a quandary ?.?.?.?

 

what I want to do is use the four cable method to connect the HD500x to my Egnater Tweaker 40.  So far, this is working flawlessly and I am loving the results.  

 

At the same time, I want to send a second tone, complete with modeled amp, cabine etc out the XLR outputs to the PA pretty much creating a double amp setup.

 

I am just not sure if this is possible or how to do it - I have read through both the Edit and HD500x manuals, but I am still confustigated as to how to set this up.

 

I'd also like to be able to turn on/off the tone heading out the XLRs - it seems that if I turn the FX loop on/off it pretty much mutes the 4 cable setup.

 

Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks!

[TheRealZap]

its not possible... because you cannot send the live feed and the studio feed at the same time.

[jandrio]

Try this:
1. Plug a dummy 1/4" jack into the right 1/4" POD HD500X's "Unbalanced Output" (this enforces channel separation-left right) to apply on both the "Unbalanced Outputs".
2. Send the upper (left) signal from the left 1/4" POD HD500X's "Unbalanced Output" to your amp's "effect loop receive jack".
3. Send the right "XLR output" to PA.

On the attached demo patch, notice the following:
1. In order to be able to turn on/off the tone heading out the XLRs, you can assign the "amp B" CH-VOL level to "exp-1/2" (alternatively use an FX block with zero gain/output setting-eg Studo eq- and assign it to a foot switch, or set "amp B" BYP VOL to zero and assign AMP B to a foot switch-eg FS4).
2. The upper (left) channel is your amp, via 4CM.
3. The lower (right) channel is your modelled amp.
4. Be careful to balance both channel levels (preferably thru mixer levels).
5. Place the FX blocks at taste, taking care NOT TO BREAK THE PATH ABSOLUTE SEPARATION.
6. Preferably set output mode to "Studio Direct" (to take care for optimum PA sound) and calibrate your amp's sound (Egnater on the upper channel) accordingly (of course you could do this vice versa, but you will loose cab/mic simulation on lower channel).

Rgds/John

AGuyFromMaine-demotone.zip

[WithALoudNoise]

Thanks for the replies! Really appreciate it. 

 

John - this is what I kind of assumed I would need, some kind of a work-around.  I will try this over the weekend.

 

One question though, in this setup, is the output through the XLR going to be in stereo or mono?  Mono will be fine, stereo would seriously rock but I have a feeling that the way this works is sending left through the fx loop and right through the XLR?  Also, will I need to remove the left xlr cable from the output?

 

Thanks!

 

M

[jandrio]

The demo patch is designed as per your specs, ie LEFT to your amp, RIGHT into PA.

 

If you use any stereo effect(s) at either path, then in order to sum up THIS PARTICULAR PATH to mono, you should place a noise gate at the last FX position to THIS PARTICULAR PATH (check out attached file).

However, may I suggest you also check out this one as well?

Also this one will help you understanding the basic routing.
 

 

AGuyFromMaine-demotone1.zip

[Sixstringsling]

I could be misunderstanding the initial question, which is highly likely.

But....

Will the fx loop in the hd patch not let you adjust send/receive/mix? Seems recently I have done this on my 500; play through amp, and power monitors with 1/4" to amp, xlr left and right to monitors simultaneously. Adjust the mix level iirc to balance the volume output.

 

Sorry if I missed the boat on this one...just seems very familiar to me.

 

SSS

[stugatzo]

On 1/23/2014 at 6:00 AM, jandrio said:

Try this:
1. Plug a dummy 1/4" jack into the right 1/4" POD HD500X's "Unbalanced Output" (this enforces channel separation-left right) to apply on both the "Unbalanced Outputs".
2. Send the upper (left) signal from the left 1/4" POD HD500X's "Unbalanced Output" to your amp's "effect loop receive jack".
3. Send the right "XLR output" to PA.

On the attached demo patch, notice the following:
1. In order to be able to turn on/off the tone heading out the XLRs, you can assign the "amp B" CH-VOL level to "exp-1/2" (alternatively use an FX block with zero gain/output setting-eg Studo eq- and assign it to a foot switch, or set "amp B" BYP VOL to zero and assign AMP B to a foot switch-eg FS4).
2. The upper (left) channel is your amp, via 4CM.
3. The lower (right) channel is your modelled amp.
4. Be careful to balance both channel levels (preferably thru mixer levels).
5. Place the FX blocks at taste, taking care NOT TO BREAK THE PATH ABSOLUTE SEPARATION.
6. Preferably set output mode to "Studio Direct" (to take care for optimum PA sound) and calibrate your amp's sound (Egnater on the upper channel) accordingly (of course you could do this vice versa, but you will loose cab/mic simulation on lower channel).

Rgds/John

AGuyFromMaine-demotone.zip

 

THANK YOU!!!

This was driving me nuts and the dummy plug was the magic solution!

Now the Variax mags go to the 4-cable loop so that works as normal and if i want to layer in an acoustic or something, that goes straight to the PA/monitors!