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#1 ChristianArnold

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 08:57 AM

*** Problem has been solved. If you use iTunes Match, any song you try to play through the AMPLIFi App will not play. The actually song has to be on your actual device.***

 

The biggest issue (not for me because I am an apple user) is that this is NOT geared for anyone who uses anything else but iOS and buys their music through iTunes (this iTunes part is a problem for me because I do not buy all my music through iTunes). With the AMPLIFi app, you can only stream music that has been purchased through iTunes. Also, this music is the only music that pulls up suggested tones to match the music. ***All devices (iOS, Android, Mac, PC, Windows Phones) will be able to stream their audio to the amp via Bluetooth (provided it has Bluetooth capability). But the amp's tone matching functions DO NOT WORK with anything else but iOS and music strictly purchased through iTunes.  I am assuming that this is how the tone matching works. Line 6 must have teamed up with Apple and use the metadata in the music from iTunes to match up tones. Even music that you put into your iTunes library from CDs or if you purchased through Amazon will not be able to be streamed through the AMPLIFi app and have tone matching capabilities.*** I have found this out when I was messing with the free iPhone AMPLIFi app. Check out my video of that here. 


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:29 AM

I have a hard time believing this is true, to be honest with you. I just can't see them going that route. I'll see if I can get someone from Line 6 to chime in. With iTunes Match, Apple doesn't even really differentiate between songs you've purchased and songs you've ripped on your own in your library.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:32 AM

Try it for yourself. Download the app, try playing music through the app that you know you didn't purchase through iTunes. It won't stream and because it wont stream, it wont match tones.

 

I have a hard time believing this is true, to be honest with you. I just can't see them going that route. I'll see if I can get someone from Line 6 to chime in. With iTunes Match, Apple doesn't even really differentiate between songs you've purchased and songs you've ripped on your own in your library.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:42 AM

I have installed the app. I can't stream any of my music at all. Whether I've purchased it through iTunes or not. I'm assuming without having a Bluetooth device to stream to, it doesn't work.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:59 AM

I have installed the app. I can't stream any of my music at all. Whether I've purchased it through iTunes or not. I'm assuming without having a Bluetooth device to stream to, it doesn't work.

 

Hmm... Have you gone to "music library" and just played music through the app on your iPhone? 


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 10:06 AM

I've got the app and tried playing several songs I loaded to my iPhone by downloading the mp3s - purchased through pledge music. The less obscure songs do find tones using the tone match.

No streaming as no BT device but it plays through my iPhone speaker while it finds a guitar tone.
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 10:27 AM

Hmm... Have you gone to "music library" and just played music through the app on your iPhone?

 

Yep... All the time. The music app works fine. No songs are playing through the Amplifi app. I can see my library and scroll through everything, but nothing happens when I try to click on the songs. I assumed it was simply because I have no Bluetooth device to connect to.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 10:30 AM

Strange. When I use amplifi app it just plays music out the internal iPhone speaker as I have no amplifi etc connected.

Are you on iOS 7? As I saw somewhere that the app only supports iOS 7
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Posted 25 January 2014 - 10:37 AM

Yeah, iOS7. I think it has something to do with iTunes Match. I don't really store any music locally on my phone. It does download it if I play it, but the vast majority of my library isn't on my phone. I imagine if I turned iTunes Match off, it would maybe show up and play. I suspect that may be an Apple limitation - not allowing third party apps to access songs through iTunes Match.


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 10:41 AM

I actually pay for the itunes match service, so nearly all my non-itunes purchases get matched in the cloud.

I had to create a second itunes library to do it, and be somewhat selective...

because itunes match is limited to 25k songs and i had closer to 60k

but i have alot of obscure stuff and bootlegs etc...

so i mostly just loaded it up with studio stuff.

anyway, might just solve the issue. (which i cant confirm or deny... just adding to the conversation here)


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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:16 AM

Yeah, iOS7. I think it has something to do with iTunes Match. I don't really store any music locally on my phone. It does download it if I play it, but the vast majority of my library isn't on my phone. I imagine if I turned iTunes Match off, it would maybe show up and play. I suspect that may be an Apple limitation - not allowing third party apps to access songs through iTunes Match.


Ah good call. I do not use match, I store all my music locally as the majority of time I use my phone to play music is in the car driving to/from work. And the phone signal is not so good on that journey.

I imagine this is something for the FAQs if music has to be on the iOS device to function correctly.

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 11:44 AM

I think it is the iTunes Match problem. The only songs that work through the Amplifi app are ones that are actually on my device. Good call guys.


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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:24 PM

To call out a couple points:

 

1: You need to have the song you want to play on the IOS7 device for the tone matching to play through the Amplifi app.  I fell for this when I first got the app, as it would "see" songs I had purchased but not downloaded to my device.  This can be changed under "settings" and selecting "hide songs not on device".

 

2: You absolutely can stream songs that were burned from your CD collection, I have tested this a number of times and works great.  my only problem is then I sometimes have to find the original album artwork online before installing on my iPad so I don't have to look at the red "beamed" eighth notes ;) 


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 04:45 PM

To call out a couple points:

 

1: You need to have the song you want to play on the IOS7 device for the tone matching to play through the Amplifi app.  I fell for this when I first got the app, as it would "see" songs I had purchased but not downloaded to my device.  This can be changed under "settings" and selecting "hide songs not on device".

 

2: You absolutely can stream songs that were burned from your CD collection, I have tested this a number of times and works great.  my only problem is then I sometimes have to find the original album artwork online before installing on my iPad so I don't have to look at the red "beamed" eighth notes ;)

Yeah I updated the initial post about this.  Thanks for the post though.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 07:28 AM

I've just discovered a setting in the amplify app that lets you hide songs not on your device.  I don't use Match, but I wonder if you did use match and you enabled that setting in the amplify app, whether that effectively is the way forward, as it wouldn't show you the songs not on your device.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:33 PM

I am having problems with this app finding tones.  I have some songs which although not purchased through iTunes, will play through the amplify, but will not find a tone.  I simply reads "no tone found".  Any ideas what is causing this or how to fix it?


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 04:41 PM

Any song on your IOS device will show up in AMPLIFI's Music Library and then play when selected. 

 

It doesn't matter if you bought the song through iTunes or not. You could have loaded it via a burn from your CD, from Amazon etc.,  or you could have "hijacked" it to your iTunes library, it doesn't matter. 

 

As long as you transferred it to your IOS device from your computer's iTunes, it will show up and play from the Music Library. 

 

This, however, does not mean it will find a "tone" for every song you play.

 

If the artist or song is lesser-known, then you may receive a "no tone found".  If the artist or song is better-known, then chances are you will be offered tone options. Again, it doesn't matter whether you bought the song on iTunes or not.

 

Also, how you mark the song in your iTunes' "genre" seems to matter.  For example, I took one rare Jamaican song called Caltone Special and loaded it with two different "genre" settings -- one as "Rocksteady" (the name for an early form of reggae), and the other simply as "Reggae".  Sure enough, it found "tone"suggestions for the one marked as "Reggae" and couldn't suggest any tones for the one called "Rocksteady". 

 

All said, tone-match is not that sophisticated. It works from the info you provide with your songs and the info available in it's ever-growing data base. As other members here have noted -- it will get better in time as more songs and tones are loaded by the users.  I hope this helps.  AE


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:19 AM

Any chance they will lift the restriction on iTunes Match?
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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:53 AM

It's not a restriction....

my understanding is that the amplifi app reads the data from the music file...

itunes match does not have the data files.... they exist in the cloud....

no data files=no data to search from.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:41 AM

Ah, thanks AE for the response.  I was under the impression that the software could replicate tones based on some algorithms. But it appears that these tones are soley drawn from the "tone bank" being built by the user community.  So one day I might get a "no tone found", but the next it may find one.  I guess that will get me to spend more time working out tones to help out.


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