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#1 Schlubbe

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 08:04 PM

Hi-

 

Enjoying a shiny new DT25 after several years of a Pod X3 and Headphones. 

 

DT is amazing so far (like bringing home 4 new amps at once), but missing all the effects options I've gotten used to.

 

So, I'm wondering what the best way to hook in the Pod X3 would be- tried searching the forum, but it seems like everyone has just upgraded to Pod HD.

 

Is there any hope for this old X3, or do I just need to bite the bullet and get an HD500X?

 

Any recommendations welcome.

 

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#2 TheRealZap

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:45 AM

for the integration you'd love the pod hd stuff...

but you could feed the x3 out into the effects return on the DT and get some nice results.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:17 AM

I have an X3Pro I bought when they came out so when I got the DT50 I went right into the front of it with the Stack Front output setting and liked the results after a bit of tweaking. I'm still playing around with it in addition to the HD500. Lately I've been running into the mic input of the HD500 set at mic input 2 and the HD500 L6 link into the DT50 Head.


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 01:32 PM

So, I'm wondering what the best way to hook in the Pod X3 would be-

Is there any hope for this old X3, or do I just need to bite the bullet and get an HD500X?

 

I once had an X3L, replaced it with the HD500. I have had the HD500 since 2010, just got the DT25 month or so ago.

 

I can think of a couple ways you can make this work:

 

OPTION#1:

1.) get the MIDI interface needed to update your DT to the latest firmware. This will give you all 30 HD amps currently available on the HD500 POD series, as options on your DT. It would appear, this will give you 8 options- according to the firmware notes:

 

"With four voicings per channel, you have eight unique options at your fingertips"

 

DT Firmware Update 2.0

 

The specifics of their notes also states:

 

"Once you’ve updated your amp, you have a few options for customizing the voicings. If you own an iPhone® or iPad®, adding a Line 6 MIDI Mobilizer™ II (and TouchOSC or any other compatible MIDI app) allows you to control all of the enhanced MIDI functionality right from your iOS device. Line 6 has created presets for the TouchOSC app, which you can download below. 

 

You can also control your amp’s enhanced MIDI functionality via a Mac® or PC computer with a USB-to-MIDI interface and compatible software capable of sending MIDI CC information."

 

 

2.) use your X3L for FX only, and/or use the "four cable" method. This will allow you to use the X3L as the FX processor, while still using the new/HD amps on the DT. I suppose that will also let you "audition" all of the HD amp models, and decide if you need them accessible with a floorboard. I don't know the specifics on how the DT loads the additional amp options, or what you would do to program it; but I would imagine you just pick the amps you want, and assign them to the channels available on the DT

 

Something worth noting - when you connect the HD to the DT using the L6Link, you are only using the "PRE" amp models, and allowing the Bogner portion of the DT to do it's thing in the analog / tube realm. While the HD amp models and corresponding cabinet / mic modelling do sound fantastic, the DT-Bogner side of the equations sounds even better. Which is most likely what you are hearing and liking with your DT.

 

The equivalent comparison of the FX quality, would be the M series FX units; for example, the M13. This is the FX stuff that is loaded into the HD500, along with the HD amp models. I guess it would be accurate to say these FX are "HD", though I am not certain that is 100% accurate. They are meant to be higher bit and sample rate than the predecessor, iE, the XT/X3 FX.

 

OPTION#2:

1.) Plug the 1/4" out from the X3L into the FX return of the DT25.

 

Regarding option#2; this is how I used my X3L and my HD500 for years! I typically wanted to also be able to run XLR to the recording or mixer, main, PA, monitors, etc. - so therefore I almost always chose "Studio/Direct". By plugging the 1/4" to the FX return of any amp, you bypass the preamp, and inject the POD's signal direct to the power amp. This allowed me to send the cab+mic modelled signal to my amp as a monitor, and the same signal would go to the main mix, stage mix, recording mix, etc.

 

I did have some luck sending the signal to the FX return of the amp, and setting the POD model to "Combo/Poweramp". This is the mode which the HD500 defaults to when using the L6Link to connect to the DT. Basically, this mode is not suitable to sending a direct signal to recording, or the main mix - but it will sound pretty good coming out of your amp. In essence, this option removes the mic modelling, and to some extent, modifies the cab modelling. It basically makes your amp sound more like the amp being modelled; whereas the studio/direct mode will emulate the sound of that amp model, in a room, with a mic on it.

Definitely give the fx return concept a try, and switch between the studio/direct mode, to the combo poweramp mode. I think the settings are comparable on the X3L as to the HD500.

 

OPTION#3:

1.) Bite the Bullet!! Four payments of $125/month from someplace like Zzounds..

 

HD500X

 

A caveat to the "option #3"... You will most likely immediately want to get a JTV upon owning two of the three parts of what for me, is the best rig I have *ever* owned... I literally got the DT25, and a week later ordered a JTV59. :)


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 09:49 AM

I have an XTLive that i was using with an Atomic Amp. Since my Atomic gave up the ghost, I've been plugging it in to the FX Return of the DT25 I have.  I use the whole patches, including Amp models and setting the DT25 to Topology1, but it certainly works to disable the Amp model in the XTLive and just use FX.  I have my HD500 hooked up too...

 

 I have a Voodoo Labs Amp Selector, so I can run either,or,both.  I'm also still using the Atomic cab as a second extension.

 

I love some of the Amp Models in my XTLive as much as any in the HD500...


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 02:01 PM

I have a little update for ya;

 

did a jam with some guys on Saturday after work, and ended up one XLR short, so I was not able to L6Link my HD500 into my DT25.

 

I basically then went with the idea I gave you, for how to wire the X3 into your DT25.

I set my HD to 'studio/direct' output mode, and ran a 1/4" out from my HD to the DT25 FX return.

 

And, just to verify, I had an XLR out going from the DT XLR out to my Tascam for recording.

 

All of that worked perfectly, though it's worth noting, that when you plug only into the DT fx return, none of the dials on the DT control anything. Maybe reverb, not sure, but definitely none of the master volume, channel level, etc.

 

The POD master volume drives the overall level, as does the post-amp mixer block.

 

So there ya go! Would be quite interesting for you, to do an A/B recording test.

 

1.) send XLR recording signal from the X3 to one track of a recording, and

2.) send XLR recording signal from the DT to a second track of a recording.

 

With the X3 (or in my case, the HD) in 'studio direct' mode, it would be interesting to hear if the sound changes; IE, what will the DT do to an already 'ready for recording' mix. Does the DT out do anything when routing from fx return to XLR out, in terms of cab emulation?

 

My gear is in multiple locations at present, so I can't actually try this idea at home, but I would be curious to hear your thoughts on what, if any tonal differences occur between those two versions of

the X3 main out vs. the same thing being routed through the DT.

 

In terms of volume, it was plenty loud. I suppose putting the DT into 'low power' mode would probably make it less loud, which could be useful for at home / bedroom volumes as well.

 

Cheers!


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