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#1 u182155

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 05:21 PM

Hi there,

I am new to this. My existing rig is a Bogner 20th Anniversary Shiva head and 2x12 plus a quite extensive rack with TC 2290, 1210 plus lexicon gear and RJM switching plus a bunch of pedals.

I am thinking of getting the dream rig to replace certainly my amp and rack/pedals.

All advice so far is around the DT25 however wondering if I should go for the DT50? I am also thinking of getting a 2nd one as soon as I get used to it and offload my other gear to allow me to run in stereo.

Any thoughts / advice would be good.

Cheers,
Dave
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Posted 24 March 2014 - 05:58 AM

I'd say get the 25. It's plenty loud and has newer engineering to fix some niggles folks had with the 50. If you are running a Shiva and quality pedals and guitars, you may be "satisfied" with the dream rig, but you won't be "impressed". I would honestly stick with your current gear unless you are looking for something to allow you to keep your quality gear at home. Then just get the Pod and DT and avoid the Variax portion.

Hi there,

I am new to this. My existing rig is a Bogner 20th Anniversary Shiva head and 2x12 plus a quite extensive rack with TC 2290, 1210 plus lexicon gear and RJM switching plus a bunch of pedals.

I am thinking of getting the dream rig to replace certainly my amp and rack/pedals.

All advice so far is around the DT25 however wondering if I should go for the DT50? I am also thinking of getting a 2nd one as soon as I get used to it and offload my other gear to allow me to run in stereo.

Any thoughts / advice would be good.

Cheers,
Dave


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#3 joebutterfield

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 07:46 AM

Both amps functionality are are essentially the same. The key difference between the two is a the power tube section, DT50 offers EL34's while the DT25 is EL84 equipped. Many people I run into out in the field are pleasantly surprised how much headroom the 25 has, plenty of juice for small club gigs with a loud drummer.

 

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Posted 24 March 2014 - 12:42 PM

With a rig like you already have I would suggest stick with it....it's a quality line up you have.
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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:25 PM

I am new to this. My existing rig is a Bogner 20th Anniversary Shiva head and 2x12 plus a quite extensive rack with TC 2290, 1210 plus lexicon gear and RJM switching plus a bunch of pedals.  I am thinking of getting the dream rig to replace certainly my amp and rack/pedals.

 

So my question to you is really why are you considering the change?  Is it for ease of setup and use?  Is it to have hundreds of configurations available at the touch of a footswitch?  If so, those are great reasons to go HD500X and DT25/50. 

 

The next question is what size venue do you typically play in and what style of music?  Do you plan on using the amp as a feed to the FOH?  as a backline?  If you are feeding the PA/FOH you may be just fine with the 25 in small to mid size gigs even with a loud band.  I assume you will keep the 2X12?  The 25 will be surprisingly loud with a good 2X12 cab.  The 50 obviously will be louder and probably more clean headroom.  There is the basic tone difference between EL84 and EL34 too...  Other than that they will do the exact same thing.

 

Do you plan on getting a JTV Variax?  If so then you should definitely consider the change as that opens up a world of possibilities.  However, be prepared for a steep learning curve during the transition...  Well worth it in my opinion...

 

If you can answer these questions clearly then the dream rig should be a good fit for you.  If not, well, as others have already said, you still have a great rig there...


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Posted 24 March 2014 - 02:49 PM

Thanks for the responses so far really helpful.

Everything now locked in and waiting to arrive.

I have gone for DT50 combo 2x12 plus the HD500x and a Tyler Variax JTV69. I am essentially looking for more versatility and less complexity than my current rig. Getting the switching right on my current rig was a nightmare and still not perfect.

I figure at this point I can try the new gear for a couple of weeks and if it works will then consider off loading some of the other stuff, if it does not then will move on the new gear.

If it does work though I am going to most likely get a 2nd DT50 so I can run in stereo.

By the way I already have the stagescape M20d and 2xL2t's and absolutely love these.
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Posted 25 March 2014 - 05:06 AM

Congratulations on your new purchase, but I can't believe you'd choose a DT over a Shiva. May your new gear serve you well!

Thanks for the responses so far really helpful.

Everything now locked in and waiting to arrive.

I have gone for DT50 combo 2x12 plus the HD500x and a Tyler Variax JTV69. I am essentially looking for more versatility and less complexity than my current rig. Getting the switching right on my current rig was a nightmare and still not perfect.

I figure at this point I can try the new gear for a couple of weeks and if it works will then consider off loading some of the other stuff, if it does not then will move on the new gear.

If it does work though I am going to most likely get a 2nd DT50 so I can run in stereo.

By the way I already have the stagescape M20d and 2xL2t's and absolutely love these.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 11:57 AM

Thanks however have not decided that yet. Will see the difference and then make a decision.
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Posted 25 March 2014 - 12:16 PM

Thanks for the responses so far really helpful.

Everything now locked in and waiting to arrive.

I have gone for DT50 combo 2x12 plus the HD500x and a Tyler Variax JTV69. I am essentially looking for more versatility and less complexity than my current rig. Getting the switching right on my current rig was a nightmare and still not perfect.

 

Versatility, absolutely...less complexity is debatable. The 500X is an amazing unit, but not what I'd call intuitive (but that could be me...lol  ;) ) Lotsa deep editing buried in various places...not always obvious what to do, or where to go to do it. But once you get the hang of it, it's a monster.

 

Same goes for the JTV...equally amazing, assuming that it has no problems...some do, some don't. QC  leaves a little bit to be desired sometimes. I'm sure you've read through other threads that go into the nitty gritty. Even the ones that are 100% take some getting used to, but once you do it's another world. Good luck with it.


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 09:53 AM

 My existing rig is a Bogner 20th Anniversary Shiva head and 2x12

 

You may also want to experiment with running the output from the HD500x into the FX return on the Shiva.

I've been quite happy with my JTV59-DT25-HD500, but it's always fun to experiment with new sounds!

 

In this case, you could have your stereo rig by simply running the HD500x 1/4" outs into the DT50 fx return and the Shiva fx return. I had my HD500 for four years before I decided to upgrade to my DT25 rig. I typically always ran the HD out into the fx return of whatever amps I had around.

 

I can understand why you would want to simplify the rig setup; it's pretty fast for me to plug in my JTV, HD and DT, while my buddy who plays guitar with me is still plugging in his many, many stomp boxes, and messing with his settings, because he has pedals in both pre and fx loop positions in his amp (Fender tweed 40w), so it always seems like something is a little off, and adjustments to that many pedals can take a while!

 

With the HD to DT using the L6link, which I am sure you are familiar with using the M20 and pair of L2t's, it is definitely a cool way to tap the digital preamps into the Bogner tube amp portion, which to me, is what makes the HD+DT so friggin awesome.

 

I also have the M20 and a pair of L2t's, so I can say, definitely experiment with running the HD into the L2t's in studio/direct mode. They are pretty amazing speakers - very different sound from the DT. My current brainstorm of ideas came to me on my drive to work today; I've also got an Eleven Rack, and am considering running the DT XLR out into the 11R, and sending that signal through in stereo to the L2t's. Haven't quite figured that out yet.

 

I was also experimenting with running both VDI and 1/4" outs from the JTV, so in theory you could feed the HD+DT rig with a VDI cable, and run the 1/4" off the JTV into your Shiva rig.

 

Cheers!~ And have FUN, you are gonna love messing with this stuff; I haven't gotten past the tip of the iceberg with mine, and all day long I look forward to the time I get to spend with it after work


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Posted 27 March 2014 - 09:59 AM

Oh yeah, and get a proper VDI cable too. The JTV will come with one that is intended for connecting to the editor / software, monkey, etc. Line6 makes a VDI cable that is decent; certainly better than a regular ethernet cable.

 

But take a look at some better quality options as well; after taking the advice from others on this forum, I ended up buying a variety of cables from BestTronics. Their VDI cable feels more like a regular XLR / instrument cable. It's the ethernet plug on both ends, but you want the XLR type shielding on both ends. They click / lock into the JTV and the HD500x.

 

The L6 cable just feels different, and lays out / wraps a little weird. I've had no problems with mine, and I ended up getting one of each from L6 and BestTronics, so you would be fine with the L6 cable if you need to get one like, today - they probably stock those at Gtr Center, and such

 

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