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#21 StephenSLR

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:11 AM

studio direct will fatten your sound

 

Just curious, why is that?

 

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:18 AM

Just curious, why is that?

 

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 04:33 AM

because it adds the microphone/room emulation and changes the sound to what would be the sound of a mic'd setup... 

the other modes output a sound before the mic, which is more suitable for feeding a guitar amp....

however... never any rules... if one works for you... run with it.

 

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#24 moondancer

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 05:57 AM

The one I settled for has a great clean tone but it lacks the distortion I'm after. I figure it's better to distort a clean amp than to try to get a clean sound from a distorted one.

I know your problem very well! I drag for years a 35 kg Fender Twin Reverb stairs up to my home stairs down from their to the shows and it broke my back, just to get a great clean sound an a lacking distortion sound.

Over the years I played a lot of amps and never was fully satisfied.

The pod hd 500 brought me very close to the sound I want. Straight into FOH and for the monitoring I use an AER acoustic guitar amp, great sound!

Still with my (almost acoustic) guitar trio we use a small p. a. just for club gigs: my acoustic guitar have more power and drive then my jazzguitar and my Variax through the hd 500. It seems to be a problem of mixer and p. a.

You wrote you go through you Reynolds preamp into a "quad" Sorry, I don't know everything and English is not my mothers tongue, what is a quad? Speaker simulation or a cab?  :wacko:


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:39 AM

studio direct will fatten your sound

 

Agreed.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:52 AM

Try using Dual Cabs. Makes a BIG difference :)


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 01:59 PM

In my very humble opinion: using a pod hd 500 in front of a good amp doesn't makes sense!
I see two ways for a musician:
1. you're looking for your very personal sound. Therefor you will search a long time a test a lot of amps till you found your favorite. You put reverb and delay behind the microphon(es) and some modulation in front or behind your amp and that's it
2. you play covers and have to copy a lot of sounds and musician. Then you buy a board like the pod hd 500 and go straight to the FOH or straight into a good stage monitor like the line6 stagesource and then into FOH.
Why?
Using your favorite amp with hd 500 is overpowered. It's like having sex with your wife and your lover :lol: Maybe you will have some fun, but the girls will make war  :ph34r: I tried the pod as a preamp into fx return from my tube combo and I must say: Better use my tube combo alone with a little reverb and use the hd 500 straight to FOH: really, really great sound.
I dial in my sound at home by earphone and make some correction in our rehearsal room. That's the best way.


Generally, it doesn't make sense. But it really depends on the amp. I couldn't do anything with getting a proper mid/higher-gain sound in front of a Fender amp.. Tried for an hour, and no dice. It took me 10-min to get something happening for the Marshall. It was probably just the speaker. The Fender works fine for lower gain TS9 style drive though. I used me setup for a benefit and a casino gig, where FOH sound was unpredictable. Worked great, and felt like a pedalboard.
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Posted 28 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

 what is a quad? Speaker simulation or a cab?  :wacko:

 

Sorry, quad is short for 'quad box' which is a 'box' or cabinet with 4 speakers.  

 

Quad is latin, it means 'four', it is also used to prefix many words like quadruple, which means to multiply by four.

 

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:37 PM

Sorry, quad is short for 'quad box' which is a 'box' or cabinet with 4 speakers.  

 

Quad is latin, it means 'four', it is also used to prefix many words like quadruple, which means to multiply by four.

 

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Sorry, not quit correct, quadra is a quadrat, (4 edges). Four in latin is "quattuor".

Quad in Germany is a motor-cycle with 4 wheels ...

So I was thinking "What the hell he's doing? Playing guitar through his motorbike?"  :D

So you see, in such a forum, with members from different countries sometimes it would be advisable not to use slang or shortcuts.

 

Try you hd 500 on a line6 stagesource monitor (if available at your local dealer). Connecting via the L6 Link and with the amp models of the hd I've heard you can do fantastic sounds.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 12:53 AM

Four in latin is "quattuor".

 

Sorry I didn't articulate well, it's a prefix of Latin origin that represents four.

 

Quad in Germany is a motor-cycle with 4 wheels ...

 

Yes, they're also known here as quad bikes (four wheels) or in the USA as ATV's (all terrain vehicles)

 

 

Try your hd 500 on a line6 stagesource monitor (if available at your local dealer). Connecting via the L6 Link and with the amp models of the hd I've heard you can do fantastic sounds.

 

Thanks, is this like a foldback wedge? (monitor on stage that faces you but not the audience)

 

I'd like to get the best sound from my HD500 with amp stack first.

 

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:12 AM

It is a lot.

It is a full range speaker with power amp. It has some special features. It recognizes the position.

Vertical working like a p.a. box, horizontal like a foldback wedge (changes the angle of reflection).

Also connected by L6 Link it works like a guitar amp (model) or like a acoutic guitar amp (full range).

But I haven't yet tested the StageSource, I've only read some articles and heard some user comments.

If I would need a guitar amp on stage in future it would be the first amp I would test.

So take it only as a notice from myself.

I'm sure with your equipment and the pod hd 500 you can also get the sound you like. You will have to try a little :)


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:46 PM

I put a delay behind an angel f-ball with an f-ball pre set excactly the same in one if my patches and it sounds very very thick.... Fat as hell

 

Wow Wow Wow.....I haven't run it through my DT25 yet, but I just did a test run through the XLR outputs to a pair of KRKRP5 G2 studio monitors, this is one of the best heavier tones I've ever heard out of my HD PRO. Ridiculous haromonics!!!


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#33 StephenSLR

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 04:02 PM

I put a delay behind an angel f-ball with an f-ball pre set excactly the same in one if my patches and it sounds very very thick.... Fat as hell

 

How much delay do you use?

 

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:21 PM

I'm going to add the vintage pre prior to the amp block per http://line6.com/sup...-ideasopinions/

 

sounds better than the tube comp and really saturates in an acceptable way. It'll thicken with more gain added.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:36 AM

Here are a few things that have worked for me to increase fattness without sounding muddy: 1) lower the gain (I use the minimum amount of gain I can get away with which fattens the tone), 2) lower treble, 3) use a red comp (sustain 55%) before overdrive and amp (seems to fatten the tone even if it's not turned on), 4) I use a tube comp with 100% threshold and output at 12 placed after the red comp and before overdrive and amp to serve as a volume boost (it seems to keep the tone fat and makes it sound more alive), 5) I use 2 tape echo delays after the amp in stereo - one at 25ms and the other at 50ms, both with 0 repeats and 50% mix (this adds thickness to any patch whether it's gain or clean), 6) lowering the guitar tone knob and volume knob a little can help increase fattness.
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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:54 AM

How much delay do you use?

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I use a stereo delay left at 250ms right at 250ms then I the mix is barely on at 8% to 13% but I have the mix so I can control it with exp pedal
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Posted 03 June 2013 - 03:40 PM

All of these modeling devices sound best into an FRFR setup. Also we as guitarists don't know how to manage mid-range. For a lead tone clean or distorted I set the mids right at the point where they start to sound unpleasant when played alone. When that drummer starts drumming and that bass player starts playing and the keyboard player starts playing your guitar will be lost instantly if you don't do this to some degree. You have to set your e.q. correctly to work with other instruments. I play to a backing track to make sure things are right before I take any modeler out to a live gig.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 03:42 PM

All of these modeling devices sound best into an FRFR setup. Also we as guitarists don't know how to manage mid-range. For a lead tone clean or distorted I set the mids right at the point where they start to sound unpleasant when played alone. When that drummer starts drumming and that bass player starts playing and the keyboard player starts playing your guitar will be lost instantly if you don't do this to some degree. You have to set your e.q. correctly to work with other instruments. I play to a backing track to make sure things are right before I take any modeler out to a live gig.

that's a big plus2


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 04:01 PM

I went back into the rehearsal studio to experiment more with my live rig.

 

This time I decided to scroll through the amp simulation on the HD to see how they'd go as a distortion effect as my tone was still sounding thin.

 

The Treadplate, F-Ball and Uber amps definitely gave my sound more balls. I was plugging straight into my amps input so I tried the Treadplate pre, it was still a bit lacking and when I tried out some different cabs it really changed things, I added just a touch of overdrive to it and it's really giving out a good tone.

 

I was a bit hesitant to use the amp simulation with an actual amp but it may be the way to go.

 

It's a shame that the only way I can experiment with my live setup is at a studio, it can be very costly but I'm liking it a lot.

 

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:30 AM

I put a delay behind an angel f-ball with an f-ball pre set excactly the same in one if my patches and it sounds very very thick.... Fat as hell

 

Please upload the Angel F-ball patch of yours. Thanks :)


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