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#1 arislaf

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 03:35 PM

Set on HD 500:

 

Input 1: Guitar

Input 2: Variax

 

And make a chain with first effect an analog delay (memory man).

 

When you play with guitar the memory man sounds.

If you play with variax it doesn't sound at all.

 

Anybody knows why / or can confirm the same issue?


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#2 hurghanico

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:24 PM

Set on HD 500:

 

Input 1: Guitar

Input 2: Variax

 

And make a chain with first effect an analog delay (memory man).

 

When you play with guitar the memory man sounds.

If you play with variax it doesn't sound at all.

 

Anybody knows why / or can confirm the same issue?

 

I just tried now and I don't have the same your problem..

 

I started a new empty patch and I did the same your input settings, I put only an analog delay at the beginning of the pre position, and I got the delay sound also with the Variax..


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#3 MartinDorr

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:47 PM

It would be interesting if you can recall the configuration sequence you used to create your tone (and this effect).

 

I have been playiong around in the past with moving the looper between pre and post position as well as adding and removing Studio EQ as first effect and have seen sporadic differences of 6dB output as if the usual effect of input Same or not Same does not always kick in. I was never able to put my finger on the exact sequence of actions to make this happen. Maybe you see something like this in your tone. Have you tried tearing it all down and redoing it and get the same effect?

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#4 arislaf

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 12:43 PM

Finally I got it!!! 

http://line6.com/cus...ne/tone/297770/

 


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 04:07 PM

 

 

Anyone ? Please?

 


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#6 hurghanico

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 04:34 PM

Anyone ? Please?

 

I just tried now..

 

dear friend Aris, you've found a bug :o

 

forgive me but I misunderstood your first post, I thought that creating a patch like you said, if I had connected to the Variax to the VDI I would not hear any sound ..

 

instead you wanted to say that you do not hear the analog delay only (wet signal)..

and you are absolutely right

 

I think that you should open a support ticket telling them that you are not the only one to have this issue

 

thanks for letting me know

 

 

EDIT/ADDENDUM:

 

I tried to swap the inputs to variax/guitar and doing so the Delay works as it should..

so it seems that the Delay works only on the input1, similarly to the Tuner

 

EDIT n.2

 

strangely this issue surely happens in your patch, but it doesn't in an empty patch with guitar/variax input settings, and simply putting an analog delay in pre position..


Edited by hurghanico, 06 May 2014 - 05:30 PM.

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#7 hurghanico

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:04 AM

I tried to narrow down the possibilities ..

 

there is a problem with 3 effects of the Delays FXs group:

 

1) Digital Delay W/MOD
2) Analog Echo
3) Analog W/MOD

 

if you set the two inputs to be different from each other (like guitar/ variax or variax/guitar) and you put one of those effects in pre position, the instrument signal connected to input 2 will not be effected by the FX as soon as you add an amp model in the pre position, and only the FX dry signal (if any, depending on the mix parameter value) will pass through the amp..

 

I tried with a Variax and also with a normal Strato


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#8 arislaf

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:11 AM

Unfortunatelly it happens also with the Hold and Sample filter (obi wah or seeker, really no remember..) For sure need to check 1by1 all effects before we sent a report... As for me I tried JTV, Variax 700 and a Gibson V


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:22 AM

There are some effects where the wet and dry signal are split left and right. I know Analog Chorus is like that for sure. I suppose the ones listed above behave like that as well.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 11:47 AM

There are some effects where the wet and dry signal are split left and right. I know Analog Chorus is like that for sure. I suppose the ones listed above behave like that as well.

 

so this means that for some FXs only their input 1 gets effected and their input 2 passes only the dry signal..

and in this case, being the first block in the chain and being reached only by input 2 it passes only the dry signal to the amp..

 

but I don't think it could be the reason of this issue, because it doesn't explain why if you don't add any amp in pre, you can instead hear the effected sound


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 12:02 PM

but I don't think it could be the reason of this issue, because it doesn't explain why if you don't add any amp in pre, you can instead hear the effected sound

 

Sure it does. If you put an amp block before the effect, that's a dual mono block. That means that it's summing the two mono signals coming into and outputting two identical mono signals. So if you have wet and dry going in, there will be a wet/dry mix coming out.

 

I actually don't quite understand why the Analog Delay model behaves this way. The Boss DM-2, which that effect is modeled after doesn't have a separate dry out. The DM-3 does.

 

This is just one of the little oddities that appears because of the way Line 6 handles the stereo signal paths through these effects.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 12:45 PM

Sure it does. If you put an amp block before the effect, that's a dual mono block. That means that it's summing the two mono signals coming into and outputting two identical mono signals. So if you have wet and dry going in, there will be a wet/dry mix coming out.

 

sorry, but given the patch posted by Aris in the fourth post here, I took it for granted that we were considering the effect put before the amp, and it is difficult not to admit that in this case it is a strange behavior of the device, and I think that this is an issue that needs fixing..


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 02:00 PM

Couldn't agree more with you Nico! This is surely a bug that needs a fix!


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 07:13 AM

Ok, except of the delays that Nico is referring, there is also the Obi Wah that if you put first in the signal chain it completely doesn't get any signal passing through, guitar is muted!!! 

 

I checked all the effects, and spotted that those delays and the the Obi Wah are the only that have problem. I will start a ticket, NOW


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 07:14 AM

sorry, but given the patch posted by Aris in the fourth post here, I took it for granted that we were considering the effect put before the amp, and it is difficult not to admit that in this case it is a strange behavior of the device, and I think that this is an issue that needs fixing..

Thanks fro the help Nico! Appreciated!


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#16 hurghanico

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 10:00 AM

Thanks fro the help Nico! Appreciated!

 

you're welcome Aris..

 

and thanks to you..

it is also my personal interest that this device must work flawlessly


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