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#1 roger111

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 07:39 AM

Hello everyone, I'm hoping for some ideas on the issue of my potentially bricked Variax 700.  Something went wrong halfway during the 3.10 firmware update, now Monkey doesn't recognize the version installed, and an attempt to reflash the firmware results in the 8000900C error code about the MIDI device timing out.

I have tried different cables, different computers, different operating systems, different versions of said operating systems, reflashing with different versions of firmware, using different interfaces.  For the latter I even went out and bought an HD500!

I am plumb out of ideas at this point.  Any help would be appreciated.


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#2 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 11:19 AM

If it is bricked you will have to send it to Line6 for reflashing.


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Posted 01 May 2014 - 07:44 PM

Thanks for the reply, Charlie.  If that's what I gotta do, then that's what I gotta do.  My only question is: Is it bricked?  The Monkey sees it, that is, it recognizes that there is a Variax 500/700 connected, but in the Installed Flash Memory column, it says "Unknown".  I can start the firmware upgrade process, but I don't get further than about 20 percent before I get the error message.  Is that "bricked"? 

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:39 AM

Exactly what happened to my 500 (yes bricked).  Things may be different now, but L6 support told me there were no boards or spare parts available to sell for legacy variax's.  Taking to local shop would have cost hundreds.  Here are parts available that were not over a year ago when this happened to me, I ended up selling my V500 for $100 (most I could get).

 

http://www.fullcompa...uct/341653.html   <---"Line 6 50-02-0005-2Main PCB For VARIAX 700"

http://www.fullcompa...uct/458195.html   <---"Line 6 50-02-0049Bridge PCB For Variax"

 

See this thread for all the gory details (and some tough love from "TheRealZap")

http://line6.com/sup...973-is-it-true/


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:45 AM

Thanks for the info, Bluesman.  I looked at the links you provided, and the main circuit board was for the acoustic (the listing specifically said not for the electric).  I have already ordered a JTV, because I need the functionality for gigging.  But I liked my 700!!! Now I've got some fancy firewood, apparently... Anyone know if I can transplant the neck, at least? I've read several times that the JTV neck is too narrow, causing slippage off of the E strings. True?


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:48 AM

wonder if the acoustic 700 brain would load into the electric? that could be interesting.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:07 PM

Zap, that was the option I wanted to do with my old v500.  Spectrum Audio has same one, but nothing about specific elec or acoustic preference:

http://www.spectruma...-02-0005-2.html


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 10:46 AM

Thanks for the info, Bluesman.  I looked at the links you provided, and the main circuit board was for the acoustic (the listing specifically said not for the electric).  I have already ordered a JTV, because I need the functionality for gigging.  But I liked my 700!!! Now I've got some fancy firewood, apparently... Anyone know if I can transplant the neck, at least? I've read several times that the JTV neck is too narrow, causing slippage off of the E strings. True?

Well, jtv 59 has neck through, 69 has the screws a bit diagonal, 89 (no xperience). I  would suggest to put some pickups in your 700, it is more beautiful than the existing jtvs


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 02:07 AM

Well, jtv 59 has neck through, 69 has the screws a bit diagonal, 89 (no xperience). I  would suggest to put some pickups in your 700, it is more beautiful than the existing jtvs

Thanks arislaf.  I guess transplanting the neck won't work, then.  I ordered the 69.  I have contacted a Line 6 authorized repair site to have them take a look at the 700.  If they can't do anything with it, I guess I might have it routed for pickups.  What a shame.  I don't know if the 700 is "more beautiful than the existing jtvs" (which is a matter of opinion, and they are both nice guitars), but regardless, it's too nice to be fancy firewood.  Like I said, I like playing it.  Thanks again for the helpful info!


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 03:37 AM

Welcome Roger, hope you will enjoy your JTV69, I like my 69s also!


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Before line6 was called line6... they used to do r&d for other companies like alesis + others. and when those customers came to visit the offices of line6 (before it was called line6) and the receptionist needed to warn all the guys who were designing products for other companies (and for themselves... ) who were like 'in the back' the receptionist would announce over a tannoy 'tellephone call for 'fred smith' on line 6' the cunning part was that they only had 5 telephone lines, so it was the secret code for "hide your sh1t the feds are comin'" or "someone's coming, let's hide these PODs that we aren't going to release for another few years so they don't see them" 

 

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 05:50 AM

I endured the same exact frustration with my sunburst v500.  It played so well, that for the longest time I just played it unplugged as my "practice" guitar.  Wishing now I hadn't sold it.  And I too thought about putting pickups in my v500 and just going analog, but was too chicken (didn't have a router either).  Here is a youtube video I found while researching a variax with pickups idea (not me in video).

 


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#12 Charlie_Watt

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 06:01 AM

It appears like he gutted the electronics and just has mags in his 500.  Sounds good though.  I really like the JTV with mags and models though.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 07:40 PM

Interesting video! HSH is an interesting setup.  I would probably go with an SSH or even an SH.  The 500 does have the advantage of already having a pick guard.  The 700's curved surface will make it a challenge to come up with something that looks decent.  Thanks for the video!


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 02:26 AM

Identical situation to you Roger , what's the eventual outcome ?


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 10:15 PM

Problem with ordering new boards from fullcompass: They're not flashed and will not be recognized.

 

I've tried this with my 600 and it would not detect the board. They need to be flashed by Line 6.


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:37 AM

Although I tried to avoid it Windows updated to 10. Workbench HD doesn't accomodate my original VARIAX 700 although the Monkey upgraded me to HD despite me not owning  a JT. I found a copy of the last edition of Workbench regular and put it on my 64bit system. I fired up Monkey to reinstall the Variax firmware as I wanted to reset the guitar. Sure enough it timed out during the firmware transfer and left me hanging. I'm connecting the Variax through my HD500. So when I went back to my old PC the darn thing isn't recognised any more. I had to dig out my original Workbench interface hardware and power up the guitar from it's original connection box and thankfully am back in business from what I thought was also a bricked 700. Hope this helps some despairing twanger. :D


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Posted 17 July 2017 - 09:05 AM

"... wonder if the acoustic 700 brain would load into the electric?"--- No, it won't.

That too would brick it.

 

Yes ibowze,... using the interface device is the best bet.


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