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#21 sozeg

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:11 PM

Sorry, actually he does use H&k as well as Mesa and Lerxst!




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#22 sozeg

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:14 PM

Here's another one!


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#23 bjnette

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:57 PM

There are so many volume variables on the HD that balancing patches is a chore.

You could say the HD500 has some volume options that are extra and not really needed and to simplify by removing the the variables you can get patch switching balance.

The Amp Volume and gain are part of your tone, effecting these to change volume is effecting your tone. This is one of those mouse wheels.

Your Master out is not where to balance from one patch to the next. It is for gain matching to your monitoring device, h'phones, Amp, PA etc.

Where you balance your patches is in the mixer volume page. Cycle thru your own made patches only adjusting your mixer volume.

Heaps simpler.

If your matching high gain amp to a clean Amp you might go negative volume numbers at first for the former.

The SPL meter on your phone app can help you get in the ball park but your ears have the final say.


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#24 phil_m

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 05:03 PM

The Amp Volume and gain are part of your tone, effecting these to change volume is effecting your tone.

Actually, increasing the volume with the channel volume knob in the amp block doesn't change the tone. The way to think of that parameter is simply as a volume control for the the amp block itself. It's not related to any of the amp modeling. Now changing the drive or the master volume DEP will affect the tone. If you put effects after the amp block, changing the volume with the channel volume parameter can potentially cause clipping in some effects.


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#25 bjnette

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 01:57 AM

Yeah it is in the Amp block, so part of the Amps volume control.

I personally have it on full for most of my clean patches less for high gain.

I use the mixer volume to get the level posty amp FX.


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#26 Tboneous

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 06:15 AM

Thanks dude. I have to say though that on the current tour Alex Lifeson does humpf loads of amps, he no longer uses cabs but uses about 4 heads. He doesn't use Hughes &Kettner anymore. He uses Mesa boogie and custom made Lerxst amps which are really Marshalls, a ton of effects and uses Apple Logic to get even more sounds. That's why as a tribute band I need to use loads of different amps in the hd500. If you look on google you'll find his tech taking you through all the gear on t he latest tour.

Fair enough. I'm sure that you have figured out how to get your volume levels just right across the various amp models that you are using.for those who are still struggling with leveling between amp models, there are many great suggestions on this forum. My contribution to the discussion is to simplify your amp selections. Pick one or two and make them sing! I guess it comes down to working with the suggestion that best works with your situation.

I have to say, as a proponent of my own suggestion, Alex Lifeson did a fine job making Rush sound like Rush with 4 Marshall combos (see ultimate guitar interview 1980) & long before Apple Logic existed on the planet or Huges & Kettner or Boogie for that matter. Rush tribute Bands existed long before Apple Logic, Hughes & Kettner Line 6 or amp modeling. I would bet that they did just fine sounding like Alex Lifeson with a guitar, some fx and one Marshall 100 watt amp.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 01:15 PM

Yeah it is in the Amp block, so part of the Amps volume control.

I personally have it on full for most of my clean patches less for high gain.

I use the mixer volume to get the level posty amp FX.

The Amp Chanel Output level only controls the output of the amp sound.  It does not affect the amp sound at all. The DEP Master knob controls the amp gain, thereby affecting amp tone and response.  It is best to keep the Channel Output near 50% as a reference point with your high gain tones so you don't clip any post amp FX or the D/A converter.  You can set it up higher for clean tones, but it depends on how much bass is in the tone.  The Speaker Cab DEP Cutoff, Res and Thump will affect output, so you may need to adjust the Channel Output if you change them.  I think the way to check is through a unity gain configured USB audio panel with peak meters and the Pod HD Mixer Block levels set up to 0 with pans full L and R.  If the USB audio meters don't peak, neither should any internal Pod HD post amp FX.  You should generally leave ~3-6dB headroom in the USB meters to ensure no digital clipping.  It's fine if it's a bit lower than that.


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#28 AndyParedes

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 09:50 PM

I often start with whatever is the "cleanest/quietest" tone and put that channel volume at 90-95% (just in case I need to adjust against something later). I say "quietest" as a clean Marshall (i.e. Andy Summers/James Honeymoon Scott) will need that headroom to be balanced against a blazing high-gain amp.  I then balance all the tones in my setlist from there - first at a low volume and then at performance volume.  I find some mid-frequencies tend to cut a little harder at high volume that may not be offensive at lower volumes, so it is good to check at both levels.  There are extra ways to control the volume on the HD (additional mixer and amp master controls - didn't have that on the PODxt!) that can be experimented with as needed f you run into a situation later and don't want to re-balance all your patches... 

Also - when going to a PA with a POD I tend to put the master output on "line" (if using a 1/4" cable) and put it at 100% to get optimal signal/noise and not scare the soundperson if I accidently move the knob during performance.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:01 PM

Makes sense Andy, but I wouldn't use the amp DEP Master for level adjustment.  It affects the amp model response and distortion.  Use the amp Channel Output for level.  RIP: James Honeyman Scott.  I'm a big early Pretenders fan.


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