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#21 ftuller

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:09 AM

Geekydaddy - if I'm interpreting your issue correctly I would continue to use the variety of amps and patches but work on leveling your volumes across the patches.

In other words, try to make all your clean patches the same volume no matter what amp you're using. Do the same for your crunch patches, heavy crunch patches, and gain patches. I use my ears and try to get as close as possible. This would then be good for the crowd, the sound guy, and your band.
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#22 ur2funky

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:54 AM

@pfsmith
do you perform alone or with band? Where have you remarked this 15 ms, at home or in a live performance?
In a band: who will hear this short interrupt in the audience? Yourself will have more delay in switching from one sound to another  :D
15 ms is a winkle of an eye, I can't believe that anybody will notice this!
 
Organizing patches:
I play also in a cover-band. Roundabout 150 song in our programm. I organize one song in one patch. This means a lot of work. Sometimes with dual amp patches, sometimes by multiple action that is assigned to one switch, to the expression pedals or the knobs of my Variax. for clean/hi gain amp I normally use panner and a dual amp setup. I often alter at the same time quite a lot of parameter in different fx. E. g. LRB Night Owls: I use the Threadplate with a screamer in front, harmonizer, delay and reverb.
For muffled almost clean sound I reduce drive of the screamer and the threadplate also bass of the threadplate to 0, the same I do with the mix of the harmonizer (additional it will be switched by FS4). I raise at same time the mid, treble an presence of amp. All done be the volume knob of the Variax. This will give a nice tack-ta-tack-ta-tack sound.
For the dual voiced intro and interlude I push the volume knob and the drive of screamer and threadplate, give more body and delay to the lead sound and switch on the harmonizer. To come back quickly to the rhythm sound I turn the volume knob to 0 get back a brilliant sound with attack and at the same time mix down the harmonizer until I switch 'em of. Solo will be done without harmonizer and I can change the color of sound additional by the pups.
Only a little example what can be done. Surely it takes a lot of time to dial in the sound, but not false step on a wrong sound or effect. Less use of slots and banks.
My sounds are managed by database. Alphabetical list of Songs and sound banks/slots or a programm for the evening with the order of the sets an songs and the corresponding patches. This is done with an office-software.
I use only one set list in the HD500 for the cover-band and even have free memory slots  B)
Addendum: I go straight from the HD500 to the p.a.


Nice! Any chance you would share with me this patch you made?

Thanks,
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#23 jcosta_sr

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:45 AM

I do not organize my patches.  They get put in slots as they are created.  The reason for this......I use an app for the iPad called set list maker.  http://www.arlomedia.../main/home.html it allows you to catalog your songs and then put them into set lists.  One of the attributes of the Song is a midi command that you can create that will select the patch you want on your pod.

 

So, with my iPad in place.  When ever I touch the song in the setlist it selects the patch.  So,  I have ultimate flexibility.

 

 


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#24 stumblinman

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:48 AM

I've always used KISS. I have a clean Marshall, an acoustic emulator with pedal in fx loop, a light OD based on Plexi and a Treadplate to cover heavier tunes. There's chorus, compressor, wah, tremolo, delay etc in there too.

In my 20+ years of playing live with numerous different rigs, I've never had an audience member come up and say "You guys kicked lollipop, but your guitar tone didn't sound like the original recording by 'X'". KISS
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#25 alex_dehoyosjr

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:00 PM

I'm a fairly new Line 6 user.  Concerning Setlists and presets, why isn't there a mode where perhaps you can choose the "setlist" and then if you hit "bank up" it automatically goes the the next song in the list?  When I first started using this, I expected it to work that way and I really don't see why that shouldn't be the default or at least an option.  If you can organize and order the songs/patches ahead of time, who wouldn't put it in true setlist order to where you just cycle through the songs?  This would be especially useful for the people using different patches for each song.  (Even if I'm using the same patch, I make a separate preset so I can just keep cycling through and know where I am in the set.  I don't use printed setlists).  I see lots of issues people wish Line 6 would fix in the updates, but this one is number 1 for me! 

 

I have two different uses for my unit.  1 is a church worship service, usually 5 songs a Sunday.  My other current use is a solo covers show.  Mostly acoustic, but I do electric on several songs.  I run both my acoustic and electric into the Pod.  Both of these applications utilize just one patch per song.  In my solo show, I use one base sound and rarely turn on or off any effects since I'm singing at the same time.  In church, I use a clean amp and a Tube Screamer for leads or overdrive.  HOWEVER, if I ever wanted to use this in a cover band (or original band), I would probably want to use dual amps.  I really like the clean sound of the Dr. Z and the overdriven Rectifier.  I would like to use a toggle switch to switch between amp sounds, but as the original poster mentioned, there is a short period of time between the switching of amps, even when on the same preset/patch.  This really is too bad.  I thought it was really cool to have the preset default to a Dr. Z with Tube Screamer, then be able to remove the TS for ultra clean or kick it into high gain with the Recto, but that absence of sound for those few milliseconds does not sound cool.  Here's another user who's wondering if that can be eliminated. 

 

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#26 flattoppicker1

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:12 PM

How do I assign a preset to a footswitch. I just bought this thing and need to assign a high gain lead to one switch and then assign another clean patch to another footswitch.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 02:48 AM

Go to the edit, hit on the controllers, choose on model the FX you like to assign, select the FS assign and chose from the list the foot switch you like to put.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 01:02 PM

I think you are talking about assigning patches - not FX - to the footswitches.

 

You don't need to assign them; you need to use FS Mode ABCD (see Setup menu page 1). By doing this, FS5 through FS8 (which are also labelled A/B/C/D) are assigned to access presets A through D in the current bank of presets. For instance, having selected a preset in Bank 1, the footswitches will move you among presets 1A through 1D.


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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:32 PM

This is an interesting thread.
I have my HD500X organized like my old Korg AX300G from 1999:
Bank 1, my basic sounds. I'm here most of the night.
A. Clean, no amp, just a little delay. I try to match the volumes of all my patches to this one.
B. Clean but louder and brighter.
C. Gibtone crunch, a nice bluesy tone I use a lot.
D. Distorted. I just loaded a Van Halen tone I adapted from CustomTones here.

Bank 2, features various effects.
A. Rotary drum.
B. Bias tremolo, with the expression pedal determining the depth of the trem.
C. Phaser.
D. Univibe. (I never had one of these, and I like it a lot.

Then I have a bunch of sounds, almost all homemade, for various songs or sounds.
I play a couple of songs that have distinct sections and I create two adjoining patches for those, but mostly I play a single patch per song.
As for effects, I follow a standard pattern:
1. A clean boost or distortion for leads.
2. A mod effect, often a chorus (I like Dimension set on switch 1).
3. The delay, or sometimes a second mod.
4. Switches on whatever is on the Expression pedal, usually a wah.

I never use the second expression pedal setting because I'm not smart enough to remember what it would be, and I control volume in other ways instead of a volume pedal.
I loves me some Pod!!!
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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:49 AM

I am a newbie with the 500x.  Just one question,  how do you set a DEFAULT SETLIST so when you plug it in,  that is the one it loads.


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#31 silverhead

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:57 AM

The device retains the current setlist between off/on cycles. So the setlist that gets loaded is the one that was active when the device was powered off. There is no 'default' setlist in that sense.


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#32 jimbarrow56

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:05 PM

Hello, I am new to this forum and to the HD500X, Is there a tutorial on how to create a patch or is that the correct terminology?
I had an X3 live and it was pretty easy, this however is more difficult for an old hacker like myself.
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#33 silverhead

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:08 AM

The general procedure and button-pushing sequence is outlined in the manual in the sections on creating and saving tones. The overall approach is much the same as you would do with a series of analog pedals and guitar amps. Select your amp and make desired adjustments to the knobs. Then select desired FX boxes and place them in the order you want. Adjust their parameters as desired.

 

You'll find the manual in the Product Manuals link under the Support tab at the top of this page.


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#34 wicker_man

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 05:08 AM

I set up patches for different parts of each song and assign them to the ABCD switches in each bank.  I try to keep each bank to one or two songs, so I don't have to change banks within a song.  If there are specific variations of one of the patches required in a particular song, I'll assign it to one of the FX stomp controllers.

 

As far as set list goes, I use one (or two) for a gig.  I synch the patches in using HD edit in the right order for the gig which keeps the switching simple between and within songs,  I keep a 'working' copy of all my patches in other setlists in case I want to make some tweaks without affecting my gig set, One set list is kept for work in progress for new patches.

 

Works really well, especially with the DT25 head and JTV.


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#35 SiCantwell

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 07:47 PM

It's important to back up your patches on the PC using the edit software,
Which reminds me: I haven't done that in a while!
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