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#1 jbstudtm

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 04:00 PM

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So I just cant figure out after couple weeks of trying stuff how to get the stereo signal from the RCA input to come out of both L3T's when connected to each other with L6 Link as well as the right one(which also has RCA plugged in) going to my POD HD PRO X.  If I unplug the POD's L6 the speakers have a b on the dispay(both i know).  When the POD is plugged in, they have a 1 and 2 respectively.  Shouldnt they be R/L or L/R or i dont even care.  Where are my settings wrong?  I just want to hear my backing tracks through both speakers in stereo and play along with HDPRO.  This is the entire reason I bought these expensive speakers was to play louder than my 8inch Monitors.  I am pretty upset with the 2 grand I spent thus far and figuring this out.  They sound great yes.  But not exactly user friendly so far.  My HD Edit is updated also to the newest and greatest.  


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:17 PM

L6 LINK provides stereo output originating from your POD HDPROX with this connection setup, which I expect is the setup you are currently using:
HDPROX L6 LINK (Output only) --> L3t#1 L6 LINK In --> L3t#1 L6 LINK Out --> L3t#2 L6 LINK In

However, your RCA input signal into  L3t#2 has no way to get to L3t#1 because its L6 LINK In is already occupied by the cable from the HDPROX.

In order to have the RCA input into L3t#2 reach L3t#1 and vice-versa you need to connect both L3t speakers in a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK connection. In other words, you need to connect each of the L3t speakers' L6 LINK In/Out connections to the other speaker. This means you can't connect the HDPROX to the speakers via L6 LINK. You need to use the analog outputs from the HDPROX and connect them to the Line Inputs on the rear panel of one of the L3Ts.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 08:32 PM

The RCA stereo cable IS plugged into number one. There as advertised the speaker should be sending it to speaker 2 via the l6 link. It doesn't do that though when I plug the l6 from pod into the 1 speaker though. If I unplug it though from the pod it instantly switches to a B. And the sound comes out of both. So your answer didn't actually answer any of my questions. Thanks for responding though.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 03:07 PM

Anyone? This is really annoying. Basically have about $3000 in equipment sitting there not working properly.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:48 PM

... at the risk of annoying you further, let me repeat ......

 

... you need to connect both L3t speakers in a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK connection. In other words, you need to connect each of the L3t speakers' L6 LINK In/Out connections to the other speaker. This means you can't connect the HDPROX to the speakers via L6 LINK. You need to use the analog outputs from the HDPROX and connect them to the Line Inputs on the rear panel of one of the L3Ts.

 

It may not be how you think it should work, but it will work.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:02 AM

... at the risk of annoying you further, let me repeat ......

 

 

It may not be how you think it should work, but it will work.

 

You only have to use the bi-directional L6 link (connecting both L6 in/outs to each other) if you want to use the mixer on both L3t's, right?  In other words, if you want whatever you plug into the Left L3t to be heard on the right, and vice versa, you need to use both of the L6 in/outs and connect to each other.  Otherwise, if you just use one L6 out on the left L3t and link that the the L6 in on the right, whatever is plugged into the Left will be heard on the right.  And then you just need to select dual mono or stereo...

 

or did I miss something

 

To the OP - if you disconnect the POD and just plug in the backing tracks into the RCA inputs and link it with the L6 from one to the other, do you get sound from both L3t's?

 

If you are trying to use inputs on both of the L3t's and have them heard on both speakers, then you'll have to follow Silverhead's advice and not use the L6 to connect the POD - you'll need to connect the POD via an analog input channel.

 

Hope that all made sense...


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:40 AM

So let me restate my setup. By everyone's answers it seems there is confusion. Ok: guitar into POD HD PRO X, POD into l3t #1 via l6 link, l3t #1 connected to l3t #2 via l6 link from 1's out into 2's in. I have a stereo RCA plug hooked to sound source(laptop/mp3 player) hooked into the RCA plug of l3t #1. So according to the marketing by line 6 as well as the manual. I should be getting stereo sound in both l3ts from both my pod hd pro x as well as from the RCA input that is plugged into #1 and should be being sent to #2 via the l6 link. NO WHERE does it say in the manual that you must have them both connect together via two l6 link cables. It clearly states that u only need to connect the l6 link to automatically send the stereo signal to other speaker. Well that is not happening. I can get sound out of both l3t's via the RCA plug only when I unplug the POD. And it still isn't stereo. I
They switch to a B for both not an L and R for left and right just as the manual says. When the pod is connected they change to 1 and 2 not L and R. Is it just me having this problem or is the marketing by line 6 false advertising? They say you can hook up pods via l6 link but the. Nothing else works that they market as working together? Like I stated before I am a little ticked at having $3000 in stuff sitting here that isn't working as advertised. I could have bought any old PA speakers if all I wanted to do was run it into analog plugs. I bought this darn thing because of l6 link and possibilities to expand.
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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:18 PM

So let me restate my setup. By everyone's answers it seems there is confusion. Ok: guitar into POD HD PRO X, POD into l3t #1 via l6 link, l3t #1 connected to l3t #2 via l6 link from 1's out into 2's in. I have a stereo RCA plug hooked to sound source(laptop/mp3 player) hooked into the RCA plug of l3t #1. So according to the marketing by line 6 as well as the manual. I should be getting stereo sound in both l3ts from both my pod hd pro x as well as from the RCA input that is plugged into #1 and should be being sent to #2 via the l6 link. NO WHERE does it say in the manual that you must have them both connect together via two l6 link cables. It clearly states that u only need to connect the l6 link to automatically send the stereo signal to other speaker. Well that is not happening. I can get sound out of both l3t's via the RCA plug only when I unplug the POD. And it still isn't stereo. I
They switch to a B for both not an L and R for left and right just as the manual says. When the pod is connected they change to 1 and 2 not L and R. Is it just me having this problem or is the marketing by line 6 false advertising? They say you can hook up pods via l6 link but the. Nothing else works that they market as working together? Like I stated before I am a little ticked at having $3000 in stuff sitting here that isn't working as advertised. I could have bought any old PA speakers if all I wanted to do was run it into analog plugs. I bought this darn thing because of l6 link and possibilities to expand.

I think I said the same thing...

 

That's also why I asked if you were getting the backing tracks out of both speakers when the POD was disconnected - which you are, just not stereo.  Since you're only trying to use the mixer on one of the L3t's, you should be able to get the RCA inputs to play on both L3t units via the L6 link.  On my L2t's there is a switch on it that configures it for dual mono or stereo.  Is there a similar switch on the L3t?


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 03:08 PM

So let me restate my setup.....

 

I just want to confirm that my system behaves the same as yours with your setup. I have just tested it with my Pod HD Pro and 2 L3ts. I observed exactly what you described. So it seems that your system, and mine, are either both behaving as designed or both have the same problem. I expect it's the former.

 

Since you are dissatisfied with the performance you should clarify directly with Line 6 that this is the expected behaviour as designed. You would do that by opening a support ticket. If it's acknowledged to be a bug it may be fixed in a future update.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:27 AM

Just to add fuel to the discussion, have you gone into the L6 Link tab in the POD setup and specified what should be sent to each L3t? 

 

Also, from the L3t Pilot's Guide:

 

4. Stereo Link Switch – When the Stereo Link switch is set to Dual Mono, each of the two channels retains its own settings. When connecting a
stereo source to the two inputs, it can be convenient to have a single set of controls adjust both signals simultaneously. Placing this switch in Stereo
Link mode disables Channel 1’s controls and allows Channel 2’s controls to affect both inputs. When using a single L3t, all stereo signals are summed
to mono before being output to the speaker.
If a second L3t is connected via L6 LINK, stereo signals will be split automatically between the two speakers. See page 16 for more details.
(So counter-intuitively, you need to use Channel 2's controls in stereo mode...)
Note that the Acoustic Modeling circuit applies to Channel 1 only, so it is disabled in Stereo Link mode.
(that's interesting, I never saw that before)
 
What happens if you send your stereo signal to the CD/MP3 input on the POD?

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Note that the stereo link switch applies only to the side panel mixer on the L3t. The OP is using the rear panel aux inputs. Also, I briefly tested using the side panel mixer instead of the aux inputs; same results as the aux inputs while the HD PROX is connected via L6 LINK (i.e. no audio from either of these inputs sent to L3t#2) regardless of the stereo link switch setting.

Your suggestion about the cd/mp3 input would likely be a workable solution using the Pod HD500(x). Unfortunately, the  Pod HD PROX (the OP's device) does not have a cd/mp3 input.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:17 AM

[quote name="radatats" post="59544" timestamp="1406046476"]Just to add fuel to the discussion, have you gone into the L6 Link tab in the POD setup and specified what should be sent to each L3t? 
 
Silver head already addressed the other part of this post. But on this question. Yes I have set it up for which amp/side of signal chain goes to which l3t. As far as I can tell that function works fine when connected to the speakers via the l6 link. I will have to test that to make sure later. BUT this is useless for the issue at hand with the stereo signal not being shared. The pod setup only controls where your pod sounds ie your amps and effects are directed. Not where inputs on the l3ts are directed. Silverhead, I am glad someone with some reputation on here is able to duplicate my issue. Thanks for the replies. I am going to have to figure out how to send a trouble ticket up to line 6 now I guess.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

Your suggestion about the cd/mp3 input would likely be a workable solution using the Pod HD500(x). Unfortunately, the  Pod HD PROX (the OP's device) does not have a cd/mp3 input.

 

DOH!  Facepalm... my bad...

 

and this is a great thread because I want to do the same thing and am looking at a pair of L2t's.  If this can't be done, fuggedabowdit...


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:33 PM

.... I am going to have to figure out how to send a trouble ticket up to line 6 now I guess.

 

http://line6.com/sup...ickets/add.html


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:39 PM

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and this is a great thread because I want to do the same thing and am looking at a pair of L2t's.  If this can't be done, fuggedabowdit...

 

Perhaps I am missing the significance of this thread. As far as I understand it, we are talking about a very specific configuration where the actual performance of the setup differs from what some might expect. Perhaps there is some marketing material that is misleading or inaccurate - I don't know for sure because I haven't looked for it. But setting any marketing claims aside, I believe the gear is very flexible and its performance is of very high quality - and it will do what people want with the proper setup, namely a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK setup between the two StageSource speakers, and using the analog inputs for all connected devices.

 

The limitation of the actual performance is, in my view, minimal. The limitation we're talking about here is that in situations where one wants to connect both a Pod HD device to the L3t stereo speaker setup, and also use the analog inputs of the L3t in true stereo, one must connect the Pod HD via its analog outputs rather than using the L6 LINK connection. The question then is - what exactly is lost by doing this? In other words, what exactly does the L6 LINK connection from the Pod HD device enable that is missing when you use the analog outputs?

 

I can think of two things:

- using the L6 Link connection, you can restore the L3t speaker(s) to a specific speaker mode as saved in the Pod HD preset. However, this benefit is not particularly useful when also using external audio sources; one would generally want the speakers to remain in PA/Reference mode when switching POD presets so as not to affect the tone of the other audio. In fact, it could be a disadvantage because one might unknowingly and undesirably be switching speaker modes when switching presets connected this way.

- using the L6 LINK connection you can control the setup and routing of the POD HD amps to the L3t speakers as described on page 2-17 of the Advanced Guide. I confess that I have never used these settings and so may not fully appreciate their significance. Please educate me on the importance of this.

 

I can't think of anything else that one loses by connecting the Pod HD device to the L3t speaker via the analog outputs rather than L6 LINK. So to me, this is certainly not something that would cause me to 'fuggedabowdit' if I were considering a pair of L2t speakers to use with my Pod HD and other audio sources.

 

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 05:29 PM

What am I missing?

 

after reading your post I am the one that was missing it...  thinking it through the way you described it makes sense...  there really is no significance to using the L6 link in that setup.  what you said about speaker modes I didn't consider but you are right.  I guess they could have put a blurb in the guide to explain that but whatever...  thanks!

 

now just so I fully understand...  to run my POD in full stereo and run tracks in stereo at the same time, I would connect the POD to channels 1 and 2 on the side panel and the tracks into the back panel right?  L2t's connected by 1 or 2 L6 links?  dual mono or stereo? adjust all 3 gains for level matching?

 

Is it easier then to use a small mixer and 2 L2m's?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:13 PM

I don't think you need an additional small mixer if you purchase 2 L2m speakers. However, if you get at least one L2t speaker you will then have a small mixer on its side panel. And if you get 2 L2t then you have 2 small mixers.

 

Let's assume you have two L2m speakers (no small mixer). Set the Pod HD Output Mode to Studio. Connect the Pod HD 1/4" or XLR outputs to L2m#1 real panel Aux Input (use adapters as required). If using the 1/4" outputs set the output level switch to Line. Connect the external audio source to L2m#2 Aux Input. Connect both L2m speakers in a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK setup. That may sound complicated but all it means is that you connect the L6 LINK Out on each speaker to the L6 LINK In on the other speaker. For best results, use the official Line 6 L6 LINK cables, or other AES/EBU cables. Standard XLR cables can be used but there may be some signal degradation.

 

An option on the above is to use one L2t speaker and one L2m speaker. You could connect the Pod HD XLR outputs to the L2t side panel mixer channels. I would recommend that you set all channel mixer dials to neutral and control all EQ/MOD/VERB from the Pod. Set the channel volume levels to be the same.Set the Stereo Link switch to Stereo.Then connect your external audio source to the L2t rear panel Aux or Line inputs. Control this volume level from the external source to balance the levels with the Pod signal. Finally, connect L2t L6 LINK Out to the L2m L6 LINK In (only one cable/connection required because there's no signal going from the L2m to the L2t).

 

Yet another option with one L2t and one L2m is to use both Aux Inputs on the two speakers as described in the first setup. This leaves the small side panel mixer on the L2t available - e.g., for an acoustic guitar and a mic/vocal.

 

And, of course, the capacity increases if you have two L2t speakers - you have a second small mixer in play for additional guitar/vocal inputs.

 

There are many ways to set things up. It's very flexible.  Check out the 10-Input Connectivity diagram at the bottom of the page here:

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:47 PM

Just wondering. If I cannot get my way and figure out the l6 link thing, why not go from the pod hd pro X out of its left and right xlr ports and into the xlr port on back panel of each l3t left/right respectively? Is it best to go into both side connectors of one and send to the other via l6 link. Does it matter either way? I have gone out into the back panel using this method from my interface just to try it out already. I guess there are so many ways to set it up. I do want to clarify. I think the speakers are great they are loud and clear and really nice all around. And sound plenty good to me. They are no atomic clr's but they are just about as good as far as I'm concerned and u can do a whole lot more with them. I think the main reason I really want the l6 link to work is so I can get a variax and use the presets to switch around modes like acoustic and such. But as u mention above kinda wouldn't be doing that if plugged into RCA with backing tracks or anything. I still have yet to see an L and r on the panel though. It's either a b or 1&2. The b shows up when it's unplugged from the pod and the 1&2 show up connected.
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 05:28 AM

Just wondering. If I cannot get my way and figure out the l6 link thing, why not go from the pod hd pro X out of its left and right xlr ports and into the xlr port on back panel of each l3t left/right respectively? Is it best to go into both side connectors of one and send to the other via l6 link. Does it matter either way? I have gone out into the back panel using this method from my interface just to try it out already. I guess there are so many ways to set it up. I do want to clarify. I think the speakers are great they are loud and clear and really nice all around. And sound plenty good to me. They are no atomic clr's but they are just about as good as far as I'm concerned and u can do a whole lot more with them. I think the main reason I really want the l6 link to work is so I can get a variax and use the presets to switch around modes like acoustic and such. But as u mention above kinda wouldn't be doing that if plugged into RCA with backing tracks or anything. I still have yet to see an L and r on the panel though. It's either a b or 1&2. The b shows up when it's unplugged from the pod and the 1&2 show up connected.

That's an interesting question - Can you go directly from the HD Pro L/R XLRs to the XLR Input on the rear of the two L3t speakers respectively while also using an external audio source in stereo? I've never tested this, but theoretically the answer is.... it depends.

 

I think the answer is Yes, as long as your external audio source also goes to the L/R RCA Aux inputs respectively to the speakers in the same way as the HD PROX connections. In that case you will not need to connect the speakers together via L6 LINK at all. But if you connect the stereo external source to a single speaker in stereo, then you have to get only one side of that audio to the other speaker. Normally you would use L6 LINK to do that, but in this case I think it would defeat the HD PROX stereo because the HD PROX audio (L or R) from the same speaker will also be sent to the other speaker via the same L6 LINK connection. 

 

And L6 LINK has nothing to do with controlling Variax models from the HD PROX. That is done with the VDI connection between the Variax and the HD PROX. Whatever resulting sound from the HD PROX that would be sent via L6 LINK is also sent over the analog audio outputs.


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