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#1 jbstudtm

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 04:00 PM

Hi,

So I just cant figure out after couple weeks of trying stuff how to get the stereo signal from the RCA input to come out of both L3T's when connected to each other with L6 Link as well as the right one(which also has RCA plugged in) going to my POD HD PRO X.  If I unplug the POD's L6 the speakers have a b on the dispay(both i know).  When the POD is plugged in, they have a 1 and 2 respectively.  Shouldnt they be R/L or L/R or i dont even care.  Where are my settings wrong?  I just want to hear my backing tracks through both speakers in stereo and play along with HDPRO.  This is the entire reason I bought these expensive speakers was to play louder than my 8inch Monitors.  I am pretty upset with the 2 grand I spent thus far and figuring this out.  They sound great yes.  But not exactly user friendly so far.  My HD Edit is updated also to the newest and greatest.  


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:17 PM

L6 LINK provides stereo output originating from your POD HDPROX with this connection setup, which I expect is the setup you are currently using:
HDPROX L6 LINK (Output only) --> L3t#1 L6 LINK In --> L3t#1 L6 LINK Out --> L3t#2 L6 LINK In

However, your RCA input signal into  L3t#2 has no way to get to L3t#1 because its L6 LINK In is already occupied by the cable from the HDPROX.

In order to have the RCA input into L3t#2 reach L3t#1 and vice-versa you need to connect both L3t speakers in a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK connection. In other words, you need to connect each of the L3t speakers' L6 LINK In/Out connections to the other speaker. This means you can't connect the HDPROX to the speakers via L6 LINK. You need to use the analog outputs from the HDPROX and connect them to the Line Inputs on the rear panel of one of the L3Ts.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 08:32 PM

The RCA stereo cable IS plugged into number one. There as advertised the speaker should be sending it to speaker 2 via the l6 link. It doesn't do that though when I plug the l6 from pod into the 1 speaker though. If I unplug it though from the pod it instantly switches to a B. And the sound comes out of both. So your answer didn't actually answer any of my questions. Thanks for responding though.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 03:07 PM

Anyone? This is really annoying. Basically have about $3000 in equipment sitting there not working properly.
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:48 PM

... at the risk of annoying you further, let me repeat ......

 

... you need to connect both L3t speakers in a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK connection. In other words, you need to connect each of the L3t speakers' L6 LINK In/Out connections to the other speaker. This means you can't connect the HDPROX to the speakers via L6 LINK. You need to use the analog outputs from the HDPROX and connect them to the Line Inputs on the rear panel of one of the L3Ts.

 

It may not be how you think it should work, but it will work.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 09:02 AM

... at the risk of annoying you further, let me repeat ......

 

 

It may not be how you think it should work, but it will work.

 

You only have to use the bi-directional L6 link (connecting both L6 in/outs to each other) if you want to use the mixer on both L3t's, right?  In other words, if you want whatever you plug into the Left L3t to be heard on the right, and vice versa, you need to use both of the L6 in/outs and connect to each other.  Otherwise, if you just use one L6 out on the left L3t and link that the the L6 in on the right, whatever is plugged into the Left will be heard on the right.  And then you just need to select dual mono or stereo...

 

or did I miss something

 

To the OP - if you disconnect the POD and just plug in the backing tracks into the RCA inputs and link it with the L6 from one to the other, do you get sound from both L3t's?

 

If you are trying to use inputs on both of the L3t's and have them heard on both speakers, then you'll have to follow Silverhead's advice and not use the L6 to connect the POD - you'll need to connect the POD via an analog input channel.

 

Hope that all made sense...


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:40 AM

So let me restate my setup. By everyone's answers it seems there is confusion. Ok: guitar into POD HD PRO X, POD into l3t #1 via l6 link, l3t #1 connected to l3t #2 via l6 link from 1's out into 2's in. I have a stereo RCA plug hooked to sound source(laptop/mp3 player) hooked into the RCA plug of l3t #1. So according to the marketing by line 6 as well as the manual. I should be getting stereo sound in both l3ts from both my pod hd pro x as well as from the RCA input that is plugged into #1 and should be being sent to #2 via the l6 link. NO WHERE does it say in the manual that you must have them both connect together via two l6 link cables. It clearly states that u only need to connect the l6 link to automatically send the stereo signal to other speaker. Well that is not happening. I can get sound out of both l3t's via the RCA plug only when I unplug the POD. And it still isn't stereo. I
They switch to a B for both not an L and R for left and right just as the manual says. When the pod is connected they change to 1 and 2 not L and R. Is it just me having this problem or is the marketing by line 6 false advertising? They say you can hook up pods via l6 link but the. Nothing else works that they market as working together? Like I stated before I am a little ticked at having $3000 in stuff sitting here that isn't working as advertised. I could have bought any old PA speakers if all I wanted to do was run it into analog plugs. I bought this darn thing because of l6 link and possibilities to expand.
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Posted 21 July 2014 - 01:18 PM

So let me restate my setup. By everyone's answers it seems there is confusion. Ok: guitar into POD HD PRO X, POD into l3t #1 via l6 link, l3t #1 connected to l3t #2 via l6 link from 1's out into 2's in. I have a stereo RCA plug hooked to sound source(laptop/mp3 player) hooked into the RCA plug of l3t #1. So according to the marketing by line 6 as well as the manual. I should be getting stereo sound in both l3ts from both my pod hd pro x as well as from the RCA input that is plugged into #1 and should be being sent to #2 via the l6 link. NO WHERE does it say in the manual that you must have them both connect together via two l6 link cables. It clearly states that u only need to connect the l6 link to automatically send the stereo signal to other speaker. Well that is not happening. I can get sound out of both l3t's via the RCA plug only when I unplug the POD. And it still isn't stereo. I
They switch to a B for both not an L and R for left and right just as the manual says. When the pod is connected they change to 1 and 2 not L and R. Is it just me having this problem or is the marketing by line 6 false advertising? They say you can hook up pods via l6 link but the. Nothing else works that they market as working together? Like I stated before I am a little ticked at having $3000 in stuff sitting here that isn't working as advertised. I could have bought any old PA speakers if all I wanted to do was run it into analog plugs. I bought this darn thing because of l6 link and possibilities to expand.

I think I said the same thing...

 

That's also why I asked if you were getting the backing tracks out of both speakers when the POD was disconnected - which you are, just not stereo.  Since you're only trying to use the mixer on one of the L3t's, you should be able to get the RCA inputs to play on both L3t units via the L6 link.  On my L2t's there is a switch on it that configures it for dual mono or stereo.  Is there a similar switch on the L3t?


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 03:08 PM

So let me restate my setup.....

 

I just want to confirm that my system behaves the same as yours with your setup. I have just tested it with my Pod HD Pro and 2 L3ts. I observed exactly what you described. So it seems that your system, and mine, are either both behaving as designed or both have the same problem. I expect it's the former.

 

Since you are dissatisfied with the performance you should clarify directly with Line 6 that this is the expected behaviour as designed. You would do that by opening a support ticket. If it's acknowledged to be a bug it may be fixed in a future update.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 08:27 AM

Just to add fuel to the discussion, have you gone into the L6 Link tab in the POD setup and specified what should be sent to each L3t? 

 

Also, from the L3t Pilot's Guide:

 

4. Stereo Link Switch – When the Stereo Link switch is set to Dual Mono, each of the two channels retains its own settings. When connecting a
stereo source to the two inputs, it can be convenient to have a single set of controls adjust both signals simultaneously. Placing this switch in Stereo
Link mode disables Channel 1’s controls and allows Channel 2’s controls to affect both inputs. When using a single L3t, all stereo signals are summed
to mono before being output to the speaker.
If a second L3t is connected via L6 LINK, stereo signals will be split automatically between the two speakers. See page 16 for more details.
(So counter-intuitively, you need to use Channel 2's controls in stereo mode...)
Note that the Acoustic Modeling circuit applies to Channel 1 only, so it is disabled in Stereo Link mode.
(that's interesting, I never saw that before)
 
What happens if you send your stereo signal to the CD/MP3 input on the POD?

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

Note that the stereo link switch applies only to the side panel mixer on the L3t. The OP is using the rear panel aux inputs. Also, I briefly tested using the side panel mixer instead of the aux inputs; same results as the aux inputs while the HD PROX is connected via L6 LINK (i.e. no audio from either of these inputs sent to L3t#2) regardless of the stereo link switch setting.

Your suggestion about the cd/mp3 input would likely be a workable solution using the Pod HD500(x). Unfortunately, the  Pod HD PROX (the OP's device) does not have a cd/mp3 input.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:17 AM

[quote name="radatats" post="59544" timestamp="1406046476"]Just to add fuel to the discussion, have you gone into the L6 Link tab in the POD setup and specified what should be sent to each L3t? 
 
Silver head already addressed the other part of this post. But on this question. Yes I have set it up for which amp/side of signal chain goes to which l3t. As far as I can tell that function works fine when connected to the speakers via the l6 link. I will have to test that to make sure later. BUT this is useless for the issue at hand with the stereo signal not being shared. The pod setup only controls where your pod sounds ie your amps and effects are directed. Not where inputs on the l3ts are directed. Silverhead, I am glad someone with some reputation on here is able to duplicate my issue. Thanks for the replies. I am going to have to figure out how to send a trouble ticket up to line 6 now I guess.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

Your suggestion about the cd/mp3 input would likely be a workable solution using the Pod HD500(x). Unfortunately, the  Pod HD PROX (the OP's device) does not have a cd/mp3 input.

 

DOH!  Facepalm... my bad...

 

and this is a great thread because I want to do the same thing and am looking at a pair of L2t's.  If this can't be done, fuggedabowdit...


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 12:33 PM

.... I am going to have to figure out how to send a trouble ticket up to line 6 now I guess.

 

http://line6.com/sup...ickets/add.html


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:39 PM

......

 

and this is a great thread because I want to do the same thing and am looking at a pair of L2t's.  If this can't be done, fuggedabowdit...

 

Perhaps I am missing the significance of this thread. As far as I understand it, we are talking about a very specific configuration where the actual performance of the setup differs from what some might expect. Perhaps there is some marketing material that is misleading or inaccurate - I don't know for sure because I haven't looked for it. But setting any marketing claims aside, I believe the gear is very flexible and its performance is of very high quality - and it will do what people want with the proper setup, namely a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK setup between the two StageSource speakers, and using the analog inputs for all connected devices.

 

The limitation of the actual performance is, in my view, minimal. The limitation we're talking about here is that in situations where one wants to connect both a Pod HD device to the L3t stereo speaker setup, and also use the analog inputs of the L3t in true stereo, one must connect the Pod HD via its analog outputs rather than using the L6 LINK connection. The question then is - what exactly is lost by doing this? In other words, what exactly does the L6 LINK connection from the Pod HD device enable that is missing when you use the analog outputs?

 

I can think of two things:

- using the L6 Link connection, you can restore the L3t speaker(s) to a specific speaker mode as saved in the Pod HD preset. However, this benefit is not particularly useful when also using external audio sources; one would generally want the speakers to remain in PA/Reference mode when switching POD presets so as not to affect the tone of the other audio. In fact, it could be a disadvantage because one might unknowingly and undesirably be switching speaker modes when switching presets connected this way.

- using the L6 LINK connection you can control the setup and routing of the POD HD amps to the L3t speakers as described on page 2-17 of the Advanced Guide. I confess that I have never used these settings and so may not fully appreciate their significance. Please educate me on the importance of this.

 

I can't think of anything else that one loses by connecting the Pod HD device to the L3t speaker via the analog outputs rather than L6 LINK. So to me, this is certainly not something that would cause me to 'fuggedabowdit' if I were considering a pair of L2t speakers to use with my Pod HD and other audio sources.

 

What am I missing?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 05:29 PM

What am I missing?

 

after reading your post I am the one that was missing it...  thinking it through the way you described it makes sense...  there really is no significance to using the L6 link in that setup.  what you said about speaker modes I didn't consider but you are right.  I guess they could have put a blurb in the guide to explain that but whatever...  thanks!

 

now just so I fully understand...  to run my POD in full stereo and run tracks in stereo at the same time, I would connect the POD to channels 1 and 2 on the side panel and the tracks into the back panel right?  L2t's connected by 1 or 2 L6 links?  dual mono or stereo? adjust all 3 gains for level matching?

 

Is it easier then to use a small mixer and 2 L2m's?


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 06:13 PM

I don't think you need an additional small mixer if you purchase 2 L2m speakers. However, if you get at least one L2t speaker you will then have a small mixer on its side panel. And if you get 2 L2t then you have 2 small mixers.

 

Let's assume you have two L2m speakers (no small mixer). Set the Pod HD Output Mode to Studio. Connect the Pod HD 1/4" or XLR outputs to L2m#1 real panel Aux Input (use adapters as required). If using the 1/4" outputs set the output level switch to Line. Connect the external audio source to L2m#2 Aux Input. Connect both L2m speakers in a 2-way bi-directional L6 LINK setup. That may sound complicated but all it means is that you connect the L6 LINK Out on each speaker to the L6 LINK In on the other speaker. For best results, use the official Line 6 L6 LINK cables, or other AES/EBU cables. Standard XLR cables can be used but there may be some signal degradation.

 

An option on the above is to use one L2t speaker and one L2m speaker. You could connect the Pod HD XLR outputs to the L2t side panel mixer channels. I would recommend that you set all channel mixer dials to neutral and control all EQ/MOD/VERB from the Pod. Set the channel volume levels to be the same.Set the Stereo Link switch to Stereo.Then connect your external audio source to the L2t rear panel Aux or Line inputs. Control this volume level from the external source to balance the levels with the Pod signal. Finally, connect L2t L6 LINK Out to the L2m L6 LINK In (only one cable/connection required because there's no signal going from the L2m to the L2t).

 

Yet another option with one L2t and one L2m is to use both Aux Inputs on the two speakers as described in the first setup. This leaves the small side panel mixer on the L2t available - e.g., for an acoustic guitar and a mic/vocal.

 

And, of course, the capacity increases if you have two L2t speakers - you have a second small mixer in play for additional guitar/vocal inputs.

 

There are many ways to set things up. It's very flexible.  Check out the 10-Input Connectivity diagram at the bottom of the page here:

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Posted 22 July 2014 - 07:47 PM

Just wondering. If I cannot get my way and figure out the l6 link thing, why not go from the pod hd pro X out of its left and right xlr ports and into the xlr port on back panel of each l3t left/right respectively? Is it best to go into both side connectors of one and send to the other via l6 link. Does it matter either way? I have gone out into the back panel using this method from my interface just to try it out already. I guess there are so many ways to set it up. I do want to clarify. I think the speakers are great they are loud and clear and really nice all around. And sound plenty good to me. They are no atomic clr's but they are just about as good as far as I'm concerned and u can do a whole lot more with them. I think the main reason I really want the l6 link to work is so I can get a variax and use the presets to switch around modes like acoustic and such. But as u mention above kinda wouldn't be doing that if plugged into RCA with backing tracks or anything. I still have yet to see an L and r on the panel though. It's either a b or 1&2. The b shows up when it's unplugged from the pod and the 1&2 show up connected.
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Posted 23 July 2014 - 05:28 AM

Just wondering. If I cannot get my way and figure out the l6 link thing, why not go from the pod hd pro X out of its left and right xlr ports and into the xlr port on back panel of each l3t left/right respectively? Is it best to go into both side connectors of one and send to the other via l6 link. Does it matter either way? I have gone out into the back panel using this method from my interface just to try it out already. I guess there are so many ways to set it up. I do want to clarify. I think the speakers are great they are loud and clear and really nice all around. And sound plenty good to me. They are no atomic clr's but they are just about as good as far as I'm concerned and u can do a whole lot more with them. I think the main reason I really want the l6 link to work is so I can get a variax and use the presets to switch around modes like acoustic and such. But as u mention above kinda wouldn't be doing that if plugged into RCA with backing tracks or anything. I still have yet to see an L and r on the panel though. It's either a b or 1&2. The b shows up when it's unplugged from the pod and the 1&2 show up connected.

That's an interesting question - Can you go directly from the HD Pro L/R XLRs to the XLR Input on the rear of the two L3t speakers respectively while also using an external audio source in stereo? I've never tested this, but theoretically the answer is.... it depends.

 

I think the answer is Yes, as long as your external audio source also goes to the L/R RCA Aux inputs respectively to the speakers in the same way as the HD PROX connections. In that case you will not need to connect the speakers together via L6 LINK at all. But if you connect the stereo external source to a single speaker in stereo, then you have to get only one side of that audio to the other speaker. Normally you would use L6 LINK to do that, but in this case I think it would defeat the HD PROX stereo because the HD PROX audio (L or R) from the same speaker will also be sent to the other speaker via the same L6 LINK connection. 

 

And L6 LINK has nothing to do with controlling Variax models from the HD PROX. That is done with the VDI connection between the Variax and the HD PROX. Whatever resulting sound from the HD PROX that would be sent via L6 LINK is also sent over the analog audio outputs.


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 10:31 AM

I encountered the same problem than Jbstudtm.

I bought two L2M + a good USB audio DAC.

L2M #1 is connected to L2M #2 via a L6 link.

My POD HD500 is connected to L2M #1 via a L6 link.

The USB audio DAC is connected to the R/L audio inputs of the L2M #1.

When the POD HD500 is switched ON, the guitar can be heard on the two speakers, but the USB DAC is played on the L2M #1 only.

I would expect to be able to play guitar on a backtrack in stereo without having to change anything in the connections (!).

This important limitation is not documented anywhere (see the Audio Signal Flow in the L2M specifications).

I paid more than 1200€ to get a system that is finally not so versatile..

My main motivation was to play with my Variax guitar on a system where the conversion Digital to Analog is made in the L2M preamplifier only.

Playing on a backtrack is a normal use case. Why this limitation has been introduced?


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Posted 25 January 2015 - 06:29 PM

I also had the same issue. I read that when the LT2 is on its side, the speaker thinks it's a monitor and defaults to mono... When you stand them up, they think they are PA speakers again, and default to left and right! Haven't tried it yet as one of my LTs is at rehearsal studio, but it makes sense if you look at the manual for the LT series... Try standing them up and see what happens and let us know please! Thanks, hope this helps...
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Posted 26 January 2015 - 05:52 AM

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The USB audio DAC is connected to the R/L audio inputs of the L2M #1.

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Have you tried connecting your audio DAC to the cd/MP3 input on the HD500?
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Posted 27 January 2015 - 10:19 AM

Hello silverHead, thank you for your suggestion.

 

Unfortunately, the cd/MP3 input is not transmitted by the PODHD500 via L6LINK (only on the PHONES,
UNBALANCED and BALANCED outputs, as it said in the quick start guide).

 

In fact, I expected that a sound track played by my PC via the USB interface of the PODHD500 would be transmitted via the L6LINK in addition to the guitar sound.

 

But this is not the case. This is why I bought a good USB audio DAC as workaround, with the limitation explained before (music played on only one speaker when the PODHD500 is switched ON).


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Posted 27 January 2015 - 11:56 AM

Oooh... of course. I had forgot that the cd/mp3 input is never converted to digital format inside the HD500; it passes directly from the input to the analog outputs. Hence the signal is not available for L6 Link, which is a digital signal. Thanks for reminding me.

The way to achieve what you want is to connect the two speakers in a 2-way L6 Link manner - the L6 Link IN of each speaker connected to the L6 Link OUT of the other. This way you will get full stereo of all analog inputs. This means that you need to connect your HD500 analog audio outputs (not L6 Link) to one speaker's analog inputs, preferably the rear panel inputs. Put the HD500 in Studio mode and the speakers in PA/Reference mode. If using the HD500 1/4" outputs set the Output Mode switch to Line.

There are only one thing you lose this way, as opposed to using the L6 Link connection: the ability to store/recall the speaker mode setting in the POD HD500 preset. But that doesn't matter in this setup because you don't want the mode to change from PA/Reference.

The D/A conversions are the same. There's either a D/A conversion inside the HD500 before the signal leaves the HD500 via its analog outputs, or the same conversion inside the speaker after it receives the digital L6 Link signal.


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Posted 12 April 2015 - 05:34 PM

I know this discussion is a bit old, but I have pored over it carefully and I'm still out of luck.  If I simply limit it to Silverhead's last post, because that's my main issue, my observation is that his third para is not quite true:

 

 

here are only one thing you lose this way, as opposed to using the L6 Link connection: the ability to store/recall the speaker mode setting in the POD HD500 preset. 

What I lose is stereo sound out of the POD.  I have two L3Ts standing up, I've tried XLR outs, Line outs, and Link6.  

 

It does seem like a serious limitation.  To have to choose between stereo guitar rig and stereo anything else is not on.  To have to use up two of the mixer channels to make this work is also not on.

Has anyone found a good solution to this?

 


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Posted 12 April 2015 - 06:51 PM

Can you try this test - do you hear the stereo sound using headphones connected to the POD headphones output?


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 02:07 AM

Hi Silverhead.  Yes I do get stereo out of the headphone output.  I should have mentioned it.  

I saw that in this whole thread that my problem was not really addressed, so I opened a ticket.  I'll report back what they tell me.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 03:51 AM

How exactly do you have the HD outputs connected to the L3t inputs? Which outputs/inputs are you using? Connecting to one speaker or both?

There is one setup I can think of that would explain your results. If you are using the combined XLR / 1/4" inputs on the rear panel of each speaker, either with the HD XLR outputs or 1/4" outputs and a (mono) TS cable, each of the speakers will consider that to be a mono input and center it in the stereo spectrum.

In order to hear the stereo you need to be using the Aux L/R inputs on the rear panel of only one speaker. Use an RCA adapter if required.

If that still doesn't work then I would be very interested to hear the response from your support ticket.
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Posted 13 April 2015 - 05:57 AM

POD HD PRO X, POD into l3t #1 via l6 link

 

That is where you are missing what they are telling you. Don't connect the POD via Link to anything!!! Connect link cables ONLY between the two speakers.

 

Run the analog outputs from the POD to the analog inputs on one of the speakers, using the inputs on the L3t MIXER panel, not the back panels.

Be sure to set the "stereo Link" rather than "mono" switch on both of the L speakers.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 08:38 AM

To sum up:

 

Signal from PC (ASIO or other) --via USB--> to POD HD is digital

Signal from Variax Guitar      --via Variax Digital Interface--> to POD HD is digital

Signal from POD HD             --via L6 Link--> to Stage source #1 is digital.

Signal from Stage source #1    --via L6 Link--> to Stage source #2 is digital.

 

No D/A conversion should be necessary, except at the preamp stage of the speakers of course.

Unfortunately, the POD HD doesn't transmit the signal coming from the PC via the L6 Link (this would imply to merge the USB audio signal to the POD signal).

 

This is the problem.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 03:11 PM

To Silverhead:  I started with the XLRs out to each L3T, but have switched to Line outs, one to each L3T.  The signal is quite a bit hotter from the line outs (15db louder???)

 

 

In order to hear the stereo you need to be using the Aux L/R inputs on the rear panel of only one speaker. Use an RCA adapter if required.

I haven't tried that, as I don't have those (rare?) adaptors.  That should work, but it beats me that of the three outputs from the Line 6 Pod, none work to provide stereo to a pair of Line 6 L3Ts out of the box (when connected to have the mixer and inputs in stereo).  Seems a clunky workaround to simply have everything work in stereo.  You mentioned that the line in's assume the line in's are mono and send it to the centre of the stereo spectrum, but that is not true except for when using the line 6 link between the two speakers, i.e. the only way to get all of the other outputs in stereo.

 

Similarly to the Colonel:  You're suggesting that I have to give up half of my mixer channels to make this work.  Good thing I didn't buy L3Ms then, I guess?  You see that your solution would make a dream rig with a pair of L3Ms impossible.  You have also (with both switched to stereo) killed a further mixer channel on the other speaker. 

 

Both of these solutions should work, but I don't believe it should be this way.  I will report back when Line 6 responds to my ticket.  Thanks for the input.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 04:02 PM

....  You mentioned that the line in's assume the line in's are mono and send it to the centre of the stereo spectrum, but that is not true except for when using the line 6 link between the two speakers, i.e. the only way to get all of the other outputs in stereo....

 

Correct, and that's as expected and designed. Unless the speakers are connected via L6 LINK, they operate completely independently. Neither one has any concept that there is another speaker in the system, and they don't do anything together. They simply play whatever the user has connected via the inputs. It's up to the user to manage any desired stereo sound. That's what you are doing when you feed them two L/R mono inputs from the HD500 separately - one to each speaker, without the L6 LINK connections. Each speaker simply plays what you feed it, and you arranged it to be a stereo sound. Of course, since they are not connected, there's no way to get any true stereo inputs from one speaker to the other.

 

But with the 2-way L6 LINK connection they can communicate and manage all the stereo inputs together. But you have to feed it the stereo signal using the stereo Aux inputs**. If you just feed each speaker a separate mono input (like the two L/R mono outputs from the HD500) then of course each speaker treats it like the mono input that it is, and centers it.

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

btw, the adapters are not rare. Any audio store will have them. 1/4" female to RCA male. They're very inexpensive.

 

** You could also use the combined XLR / 1/4" input on the L3t rear panel with a stereo TRS 1/4 jack, but you'd still need a Y-adapter that takes the two 1/4" TS inputs from the HD500 and merges them into a single 1/4" TRS output. That way the L3t also knows that it is receiving a stereo input and responds accordingly.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 04:22 PM

Silverhead:  Well said, and it did make sense, and I agree.

One thing I didn't realize was that the input on the L3T took a TRS.  Did I miss that in the documentation somewhere?

 

Would I not be courting degraded signals with either of these adapter solutions?

 

So, you've said earlier that this rig will do everything if you hook it up right, and I think you've proven that.  I still maintain that this seems a kludgy solution for the OP (and myself etc), and I feel his frustration as well.  Seems to me to be quite a common requirement (that all your stereo stuff stays stereo) and especially with the L3T, to expect it to share some PA duties is also by design, to wit:  the mixers.  

 

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Posted 13 April 2015 - 05:35 PM

....

One thing I didn't realize was that the input on the L3T took a TRS.  Did I miss that in the documentation somewhere?

 

Would I not be courting degraded signals with either of these adapter solutions?

 

....

 

It's on page 11 of the L3t Quick Start Guide, list item #10.

http://line6.com/dat...h ( Rev C ).pdf

 

I have not noticed any signal degradation using quality adapters. I use them regularly in various situations. You can avoid adapters by purchasing the exact cables you want - they come with 1/4" one end and RCA the other, in a joined stereo pair, if you want them.


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Posted 13 April 2015 - 06:04 PM

Silverhead, I have to thank you for the handholding.  You have been very patient with me.


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Posted 14 April 2015 - 05:17 AM

You're welcome. Glad to help.
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Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:58 AM

You're welcome. Glad to help.

 

 

That is where you are missing what they are telling you. Don't connect the POD via Link to anything!!! Connect link cables ONLY between the two speakers.

 

Run the analog outputs from the POD to the analog inputs on one of the speakers, using the inputs on the L3t MIXER panel, not the back panels.

Be sure to set the "stereo Link" rather than "mono" switch on both of the L speakers.

 

YUPERS-------Stereo Lt3's......that's the way to do it!      Good info                      +1 from me Silverhead&Colonel

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 02:52 PM

So I was looking around my studio, and I found I have some stupid left.  This may actually be a separate topic, but it comes about as I'm testing the advice given here.  And it's not a huge problem, just me still not getting this thing fully.

 

I sent two 1/4" cables from the POD line outs to L3T #1 mixer inputs.  When the Stereo Link Switch is set to Dual Mono, that's what I get.  However, when I use Stereo Link mode, rather than have both of these inputs controlled by Channel 2, they appear to be independent.  So, it's stereo, but I have to manually adjust the relative levels, rather than controlling the pair.

 

The pilot's guide says:  When connecting a stereo source to the two inputs, it can be convenient to have a single set of controls adjust both signals simultaneously. Placing this switch in Stereo Link mode disables Channel 1’s controls and allows Channel 2’s controls to affect both inputs...If a second L3t is connected via L6 LINK, stereo signals will be split automatically between the two speakers.

 

Once again, am I missing something?

 

Thanks in advance guys...

 

Later edit:  If I understand the diagram on p. 4 of the specifications, the stereo link does not include the gain controls.  I'll leave this up in case it helps someone.


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Posted 16 April 2015 - 04:01 PM

So Silverhead, I went out and got the required adaptors to run the lines outs from the POD combined into a TRS, and this does not work.  It is dual mono.  So far the only way to do it is to use up two mixer channels.

 

I could still use your suggestion to adapt to a pair of RCAs.  Haven't got those adaptors yet, but it does work with another source, so that would work.


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