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#1 psamyiad

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 12:43 PM

Hey guys. I have recently purchased the M20d and have it coupled with a pair of L2m for small bar gigs - live guitar, male and female vocals over backing tracks.

 

The M20d 1.2 upgrade states the following in the marketing blurb:

 

"It is also possible to import multi-track backing tracks from external sources and utilize them in a live performance, making StageScape M20d the center of the production."

 

 

What format do the multitracks need to be? How do you go about letting media player know they are a multitrack backing track?

 

Has media player yet been upgraded with the option to 'stop' after each track rather than continue through the playlist and infinite loop?

 

 

I hope someone can shed some light on this as I don't appear to find anything else about it other than the press releases!

 

Thanks in advance,

 

 

Graham.

 


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 08:06 AM

you need to put mp3's on a sd card or usb stick put it in the m20d and select media player on m20d and hit the tweak button then touch screen "deep tweak" then you can make "playlist" by selecting the mp3 on storage (ie: sd card, usb stick) a foot switch can be connected to the m20d to start and stop the media player. for every scene you save there can be a different play list.  

 

or connect a computer via usb connection

or Ipod, phone, mp3 player on aux in (17-18) 1/8 connection on M20D

and manage the songs that way. 


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Posted 16 August 2014 - 08:06 AM

When I want to do this, I stream via WiFi from my iPad through my Apple Airport Express, which has a line out of it that I plug into the M20d - then I can control the music or whatever from stage. It works well!

 

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#4 psamyiad

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 11:38 PM

Thanks guys. However, I can make a playlist from the SD card or USB, or playback iPad material via WiFi or 1/8" jack - but we could do this before the update to 1.2. 

 

The update states we can now 'import MULTITRACKS from external sources'. This I took to mean there was a multitrack media player - whereby each track could be manipulated individually, rather than a premixed MP3 / WAV.

 

Is this the case, or is it just badly worded?

 

Thanks,

 

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 04:46 AM

I would have to take a look and I will when I get a chance. But I am wondering if there is a way to do it in the recording section. When you record on the m20d, and then play back, you can adjust each channels level. I haven't tried an external recording, but maybe there is something in the recording section that lets you import a multi track recording and have each track on its own channel? That would be pretty useful and is probably what you are thinking?

What I would try, is to put your tracks in a folder on an sd card, and then see if you can see them in the recording window. There is nothing about it in the new manual. And even if you do see them in the recording window, I don't know how you would play through the mixer with the tracks. Which would obviously be the point. Maybe this feature was supposed to be added, but they didn't? It does say all over the Internet that it is a new feature in the current firmware....
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 06:39 AM

Further to Digital-sound's comments;

I've done this for rehearsals where people are missing.

SD card with RAW WAV files in a folder.
You need one WAV per channel (2 if it's a stereo pair)
The WAV filename must be [channel_number]_[channel name].wav AND there must be a channel set up on the M20d for it.
Example: "7_Snare.wav" "1_Dave Vox.wav" etc
[channel name] needs to match the assigned name for the channel on the M20d

Go to Record then select the session on the SD card.
Even if you've got 12 channels set up on the M20 but only (for example) 3 wav files, the wav's will be played back through the channel numbers defined in the wav filenames. So for my two named files above, channels 1 and 7. All the other channels will be available to use "live"

Note however, that you cannot simultaneously playback from the SD card and record to it.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 08:10 AM

As a quick follow up, I did make a suggestion a few months ago that it would be a nice feature to be able to, when playing back the recorded inputs, select which of the batch of channels should be played back, muting the playback into specific channels but whilst leaving the channel open for a "live" input.

eg, we record a gig. The next time we play, a band member is missing. Same set list so we could playback the last gig but only playback the missing member, with the remainder of the band playing their parts live. We do it for rehearsals sometimes but to achieve it, I have to remove wav files from the SD card for those who will be present.
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Posted 17 August 2014 - 10:39 AM

Excellent. So it is possible :) albeit with some features missing that could be implemented in the future.

 

I'm very new with the M20d so I will have a good play about over the coming weeks and get myself familiar.

 

 

Thanks for your input :)

 

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 05:49 PM

Note however, that you cannot simultaneously playback from the SD card and record to it.


But you can play through the mixer with the record playback playing? I guess you can leave the record window? I actually have done that to adjust the mix, so clearly I have answered my own question now.

Thanks SiWatts for the clarification.
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Posted Yesterday, 04:24 PM

I've used this option, recording individual instruments to separate wave files stored in the same place as the recorded wave file as if you were going to playback a live recording. this enables you to mute instruments live and just playback the unmated instruments for your performance. here is the rub, the wave files take up a channel therefore you can not plug into that channel with a live instrument. your placement of the wave file needs to mirror the scene setting the same as a live recording playback. The last is it is extremely time consuming and does not give you a lot of realtime control and a very good heads up display of what song your pulling up etc. if you have to adjust mixer you have to get out of the record/ playback screen adjust and get back to playback to start and stop. 

 

I've have great success with Airport and a iPad using Track Program through air or1/8 input. trust me when I say the time you spend at home tweaking the tracks with the proper instrumentation and levels is nothing compared to the work to set up a multitrack player. Good Luck. 


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