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Using Harmonizer effect on (M5/M9) with POD XT LIVE, cable routing?
by FlyingSquirrel on 2013-03-19 14:32:38

That's the gist of it.

I have a POD XT Live loaded with the Metal Shop Packs.

This legacy product does not have the option of downloading the harmonizer effect for diatonic harmonies, so, I've considered getting one of the smaller pedals mentioned above.

My question is with regard to routing.  For example, I once had a BOSS PS-5 pitch shifter, which sounds great in the loop of an amp, but put it in front of the POD XT Live and it sounds squished, thin, washed out.  I prefer to have Harmony occur right after the pre-amp, but the XT Live doesn't have an effects loop.

I never tried it AFTER the XT Live, I sold it not too long after since I couldn't use it effectively (no pun intended).

Since I don't have the $$ to go all out for an HD500 right now, which is what I really want, I've considered trading in my Digitech WH4 Whammy pedal towards an M5 or M9, whichever one has the true harmonizer on it, not the chromatic one that's already in the XT Live (Bender) or the Whammy.

If I do get this pedal, should it be routed before or after the XT Live?



Re: Using Harmonizer effect on (M5/M9) with POD XT LIVE, cable routing?
by kevanprince on 2013-03-19 22:38:32

Unfortunately, the M9 doesn't have an FX loop either (M13 does but it's the same price as the HD500) so you'll have to experiment with it to figure out where it sounds best. It'll be limited to running in that spot without you disconnecting and reconnecting it though. I'm guessing you really want the harmonizer pretty bad because it would definitely be better to save up and get an HD500. Are you buying the M9 used? If you're planning on buying new, maybe consider a used HD500 instead. Otherwise, you should probably wait if you can--get what you really want.



Re: Using Harmonizer effect on (M5/M9) with POD XT LIVE, cable routing?
by FlyingSquirrel on 2013-03-20 13:44:00

I was actually looking to see if I could trade my Digitech Whammy Pedal & some change for a used M9.

I prefer my signal chain to be Amp/Cab->Pitch/Mod->Delay.

So, in theory, I presume that I could go L+R OUT of the XT Live, not using any of its mod/delay effects, into the L+R IN M9 (allows up to 3 simultaneously), I could use it for my Pitch/Mod->Delay effects, then L+R OUT to D.I.



Re: Using Harmonizer effect on (M5/M9) with POD XT LIVE, cable routing?
by kevanprince on 2013-03-20 14:22:32

It's a little odd to have any effects at all coming after the cab but yeah, that should work.

Also, when you eventually get the HD500 the M9 will work very well with it.



Re: Using Harmonizer effect on (M5/M9) with POD XT LIVE, cable routing?
by FlyingSquirrel on 2013-03-20 14:42:24

By Amp/Cab, I'm just referring to how things are setup in the XT Live Amp Models.

If I get the HD500, I wouldn't need the M9 because everything I want is already in the HD, with the added bonus of Two Amps at Once so I can set up the expression pedal to morph from clean to crunch dynamically, rather than just hitting one switch.

I basically only use a tad bit of comp/reverb with my cleans(AC30), and on my crunches (Uber) turn on/off a chorus, harmonizer, and/or delay.

If the XT Live had the Harmonizer, I'd have no reason to switch as I'm very satisfied with the tones.  I just want to add the harmonizer, and place it in the chain where it should go ideally.



Re: Using Harmonizer effect on (M5/M9) with POD XT LIVE, cable routing?
by kevanprince on 2013-03-24 22:56:15

I understand, but whether the amp and cab are real or simulated, it's still a bit odd to have any effects pedals come after the cab. But just try it if you haven't already, that's probably the best place for it with your XT Live.

Since you aren't running many effects, dual amp patches on the HD500 might work fine. However, the HD500 hits the DSP limit pretty fast with dual amps and a few DSP-hogging effects like reverb and delay. That's something you'll need to test. Or have someone who has an HD500 build a dual amp patch with the effects you envision using and see if it hits the limit. I had the HD500 at the same time as an M13 and after hitting that limit a few times, then seeing how easy it was to avoid using the M13, I'd always want an M-series pedal with the HD500 if I was planning on using dual amp patches.



Re: Using Harmonizer effect on (M5/M9) with POD XT LIVE, cable routing?
by FlyingSquirrel on 2013-04-08 13:57:02

Thanks Kevan, that's very helpful.

I rarely use two effects at a time, and that would be a harmonizer and delay during some solos.  Almost all my solos have some delay.  My cleans have a tad bit of chorus and a tad bit of reverb.

If I set up a dual amp patch that swept using the expression pedal forward for the Crunch tone using the Uber (Amp: A), and rocked back to my clean tone using the AC30 with the chorus/verb combo, I could see where that could tax the cpu a bit.  But that's really the extent of simultaneous effects.

That's how I do it now on the XT Live, but no Dual Tone function, I have separate presets on each of my banks in dynamic order, ie;

Preset A: Clean AC30, Stomp set to "off" with occasional tube stomp boost, Mod "chorus" set to "on".  Delay set to "off" with occasional usage.

Preset B: Tweed Bassman, Stomp (Tube Screamer) set to "off" with occasional boost, Mod "rotovibe/leslie, etc" set to "off", Delay set to "off" with occasional usage.

Preset C: Crunch Uber, Stomp (Red Comp) set to "off" with very rare usage, Mod "chorus" set to "off" occasional usage, Delay set to "off" with very rare usage.

Preset D: Lead Uber, Stomp (Red Comp) set to "off" with very rare usage, Mod "chorus/auto wah/phaser" set to "off" occasional usage, Delay set to "on" with very frequent usage (all solos).

I would use the dual tone to sweep between Clean and Crunch for specific songs.

Delay times for Lead vary from song to song, some presets I used the Tap Tempo, others are pre-programmed with their own preset.

Mod settings for Crunch are song specific, with their own preset.

Each bank is based on a song.  Some Crunch and Lead presets can function for more than one song though.

I have presets set up for each guitar also due to wood differences, range, electronics.

1: My TFS6 Custom, Basswood Body, 24 3/4" scale, Maple Neck through, Rosewood Fingerboard, Gotoh Floyd, Dimarzio Evo Bridge and Chopper neck, Tuned to A440

2: My Ibanez RG7620, Basswood Body, 25 1/2" scale, Maple bolt on neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, Ibby Low Pro Edge 7, Dimarzio Evo7 Bridge/Blaze Neck, Tuned A440 with low B

3: My Warmoth Baritone Tele, 28 5/8" Scale, Maple bolt on neck, Rosewood Fingerboard, Tele Hum Bridge, Custom handwound Bridge Pickup 6.9k (Think 1/2 Filtertron-1/2 PAF) and GFS Neovin T7 Tele neck pickup 7.0k.

They all have such subtle differences in output and voicing, that I had to maintain a consistent volume level for everything throughout the set list.




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