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KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by drvibe on 2013-04-16 18:36:54

While KB37 is advertised as having five inputs, it seems as though I can only use two at a time.

Pod Farm and the driver manager let me use a few different combinations, but I'm always stuck with inuputs 1/2 and 3/4.

What I want to do is use 1, 2, 3, 4 (Mic Mic Line Line) all on their own channels with their own mono inputs.

This is a big deal, actually. I'd appreciate some insight. A work-around is acceptable, even if it means not using POD Farm.

My OS is Windows 7 Ultimate x64

My preferred Host is Ableton Live 9.x (x64 and x86)

It also does not work in Ableton Live 8.3, 8.4 x86, or FL Studio 10.x x86, as well as with Windows XP Professional x86



Re: KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by QsBlues on 2013-04-17 04:30:05

Seems to me that you would have to use a line mixer to get the desired results.  The KB37 is a two input device, so it will not accept 4 separate channels simultatneously.  Unless you're willing to do overdubs, which would sidestep the issue, a line mixer routed into the KB37 would solve the problem.



Re: KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by drvibe on 2013-04-17 13:50:40

Thanks for the reply.

Firstly, Overdubs will not work.

A line mixer might work, but only at compromised quality. I don't currently have access to my rack mounted channel strips, so I'm relying on software plugins.

I've been considering the problem, and I have some questions about the hardware.

Are the line inputs mono or stereo?

Is the instrument input stereo?

In hardware form, they're usually mono, but the 1/2, 3/4 setup gives me some hope that I might be able to merge mono ins to stereo ins.

Speaking of which, why the hell would it have four channels of input and be advertised as a five input device if it only accepts two inputs? The sales representative that I bought from even told me that it would take all of it's inputs simultaneously, although I suppose that's not the fault of Line-6.



Re: KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by Triryche on 2013-04-17 15:12:03

All inputs are mono. Line 1 + Line 2 obviously can be use as one stereo input, but then all your inputs are used.

What the 1 thru 4 sends send to your DAW are set up in the mixer view of PF .

A typical workflow is to capture wet and dry simultaneously, then add the PF plug-in to the dry post processing.

Are you trying to capture an entire bands rehearsal/practice?

If so, the KB37 is not a viable option, unless as QcBlues suggests is to do multiple takes.



Re: KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by drvibe on 2013-04-18 02:35:05

Thank you for the reply.

I am using it for live performances, full band. Obviously two inputs isn't sufficient, even though I'd have been able to skim through with four.

I bought it ages ago expecting the extra inputs to grow with my functional artist needs, but I suppose this isn't the case.

I do love PF though, as it's sort of a routable channel strip for me. The preamp simulation is gorgeous.

Do you know if I can use it with other devices, such as Focusrite's unreleased 18i20?



Re: KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by Triryche on 2013-04-18 06:36:51

The POD Farm license is bundled with the KB37, so you can not use that license with other devices. You can of course use the plug-in post processing, but still need the KB37 connect via USB as a dongle.

But there is a Hardware Independent computer version of the license which works with most ASIO USB devices, and you have 30 days to get your money back if it doesn't work out.

Whatever you do, do NOT get it for i-Lok!! The i-Lok version is plug-in only and there is no refunds.



Re: KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by QsBlues on 2013-04-19 06:26:04

Hmm.  If you're using it to capture an entire band, then you're using it outside of the original scope of what the KB37 was intended and designed to do.  I don't know what the salesman you bought it from told you, but he didn't understand the design of the unit in the first place. This was designed for studio use by one or two people, controlling a DAW.  If you want to use it for capturing a live band, it's akin to using a hammer to pound in a wood screw.  It will work, but not as well as you'd want it to.

In your situation, I would get a mixer with a USB output, connect it to your laptop, record your performance, and call it a day.  Use Pod Farm as a plug in during mixdown.  In theory, a 4 - 6 channel line mixer, with the outputs summed to a stereo output, then connected to the inputs of the KB37 would work, if you're only using the mic preamps for processing and minimal effects.  I'd do some heavy experimenting with this setup first before you do it live, though.  There are some things that the KB37 just cannot do, and capturing multiple inputs from recording a live band is one of them.  Unless you want to settle for a two track mix, of course it can do that, but it's not what it was designed to do in the first place.

Sorry for the headaches you're having, and I wish you the best of luck in solving your problem.  The KB37 won't do it for you.  It's a great studio tool for home recording, and I love mine, but live recording applications with more than two inputs is outside of it's scope.



Re: KB37 Simultaneous Input Issues
by Triryche on 2013-04-19 07:28:04

I think drvibe was thrown off by the diagram on the website (on the box as well?).

My bro-in-law uses one of these for recording his band and it work quite nice.

He is able to capture 2 guitars, bass, vocals, and four mics from the drums.

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